“We’re here to learn how to have the best sex,” - Abstinence program teaches them to wait

[The Straight Story]

A new kind of sex education
BY LISA MOORE
Abstinence program teaches them to wait

MONTE VISTA — “We’re here to learn how to have the best sex,” Judy Allen of Alamosa told a roomful of sixth grade boys at Monte Vista Middle School. Over the sound of their giggles, she added, “By waiting until marriage.”

Allen volunteers as an instructor for WAIT Training, which stands for Why Am I Tempted? Over the past few years, Allen has presented the abstinence education program to five schools and several youth groups in the San Luis Valley because, she said, “I am passionate about the message. I feel it is very critical for the future of families in America.”

The non-profit health and educational organization is based in Denver. It was formed in 2001 to provide training for teens to abstain from high-risk behaviors and to encourage character development, relationship skills and abstinence until and in preparation for marriage.
“She’s taken into consideration that some (students) may have already become sexually active,” said MVMS counselor Mavi Valdez-Apodaca of Allen’s presentation.

Using a small Etch A Sketch , Allen instructed students to cover the screen with scribbles, comparing the messy drawing to the life of a sexually active, unmarried person. Allen then shook the toy until the screen was blank again. The message is simple, said Valdez-Apodaca, “You can start over.”

http://www.alamosanews.com/main.php?story_id=14688&page=39

[gollygee]

1. ROFL

yeah that'll work. LOL

[dysfunctional press]

2. as long as you can start over...

why not fuck your brains out until your wedding day- and let your wedding represent the shaking of the etch-a-sketch...?

[shain from kane]

10. A slice of bread is never missed from a cut loaf.

[ComerPerro]

27. indeed. and if you happen to cheat on your spouse, well, thats ok too

just shake that etch-a-sketch again

[elperromagico]

40. It was shaking the Etch-a-Sketch that got them in trouble in the first place.

[ComerPerro]

43. rofl

[CottonBear]

3. Oh, that'll work...

NOT.

What a group of idiots. Those kids need sex ed and birth control.
Why do these fundy people hate sex so much?

[Donkeykick]

33. Your Answer.

Why do these fundy people hate sex so much?

Actually an easy question. Because they know that they too shall be found guilty of it.:evilgrin:

[CottonBear]

56. LOL! n/t

[elperromagico]

4. Who knew you could be good at something by never doing it?

All those damned piano lessons for nothing! My dad's gonna be pissed...

[Kutjara]

7. It's the lesson of the Bush presidency.

Be the bestest president ever, without ever doing the job.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. the best sex?

The mind boggles.

[Kutjara]

9. Depends how you grade it.

Based on brevity, I'd imagine that first time on the wedding night would set a world record.

[elperromagico]

12. It's certainly a model of efficiency.

In and out in thirty seconds flat. Pleasure? Who needs it? It gets in the way!

[ContraBass Black]

48. If you've never had it before, and it isn't completely awful,

You might never know it could be better.

[elperromagico]

54. You might never know it can be great, either.

[sarge43]

51. Then make snide remarks to the boys at the Boar's Nest

Tavern about the wife's reluctance to do a crazy lady's act in the rack.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. I've never had a first time on a wedding night.

But I doubt it even remotely approaches good sex. Let alone best sex.

[elperromagico]

15. Awkward, painful, perhaps bloody...

I guess if you're into those things...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. LOL I guess if you're a masochist.

But then if it's your first time, how would you know?

Never knew the school system would end up teaching S&M.

[rodeodance]

16. existential or virtual???????

[Kutjara]

6. Why Am I Tempted (WAIT)?

Because I Am Completely Human (BIACH).

[IA_Seth]

57. Oh thank you for that!

that cracked me up.

[shain from kane]

8. So the Etch A Sketch is being used to produce pornographic images?

[valerief]

11. Another episode of The Twilight Zone. nt

[shain from kane]

14. My Etch A Sketch is bigger than yours.

"Using a small Etch A Sketch..."

[Dastard Stepchild]

18. Looking forward to reading the outcomes research on this one...

"Freedoms that are gained by abstaining include the “freedom from”: a “damaged reputation,” “losing respect from others and for yourself,” “losing trust and support,” “gossip (having people talk about your behavior),” and “your dating partner bragging about ‘scoring' with you.”

( WAIT Training, p. 263)

"According to the curriculum, women need affection while men need sexual fulfillment; women need conversation while men need recreational companionship; women need honesty and openness while men need physical attractiveness; women need financial support while men need admiration, and women need family commitment while men need domestic support.

( WAIT Training, p. 199)

The site I took these from seems very anti-WAIT, so I do not know if these quotes were lifted in their full entirety or if they were summarized. I'd love to get my paws on the training manual.
http://www.communityactionkit.org/reviews/WAIT.html

[PassingFair]

22. All happily avoided by banging

a guy from another school!

Don't they teach kids ANYTHING these days?

Jeez!

“freedom from”: a “damaged reputation,” “losing respect from others and for yourself,” “losing trust and support,” “gossip (having people talk about your behavior),” and “your dating partner bragging about ‘scoring' with you.”

[Dastard Stepchild]

35. Or the sage advice from Coach Wolfe...

a la Strangers With Candy:
"Next time, Jerri, try to find someone more discrete. Or at least someone that doesn't speak any English."

:)

[Withywindle]

34. God, I hate that Mars/Venus CRAP!

women need affection while men need sexual fulfillment; women need conversation while men need recreational companionship; women need honesty and openness while men need physical attractiveness; women need financial support while men need admiration, and women need family commitment while men need domestic support.


:puke:


Sorry, that's not a very insightful addition to the conversation, I know. But it's the best I can do right now.

[Kutjara]

37. Agreed. So much of the supposedly...

..."hardwired" differences between the sexes is just good old mysogyny dressed up in bright new pseudoscience clothes. "Women need to be held and feel all safe and sound and cuddly-wuddly, while big strong he-men just want to conquer and possess and command and control."

Sugar and spice and everything... bullshit.

[Dastard Stepchild]

39. I don't think you can say anything insightful about garbage...

So your vomiting is most appropriate.

[PassingFair]

44. We ALL want WHAT we want WHEN we want it.

And GUESS WHAT?




IT CHANGES!

These people need to BUY A CLUE.

Hormones change and SO DO I!!!!

[Firespirit]

38. What a complete load of paternalistic crap

This woman doesn't need financial support or family commitment. This is what they're force-feeding kids, that women need a man to take care of them and make babies with them?

Disgusting.

[Dastard Stepchild]

42. I think that some women buy it, though...

Not sure whether the source is programs like these or traditions handed down from families, but I've met my fair share of women that are looking for a good breadwinner and a warm home first and foremost.

I forget that they are out there because most of the women that I have befriended are pretty ambitious, like me.

[endarkenment]

19. Our school system had an abstinence liar come in

and fake a demonstration of condom failure using pre-punctured balloons, and then proceed to lie to the kids about ineffectiveness of all forms of birth control and all methods of safer sex. She got fired and the program got kicked out. And then one year later THEY ARE BACK!

[Firespirit]

20. Sixth graders?

OK, if I am being prudish about this, by all means let me know. But I don't think that abstinence training is an appropriate topic for sixth grade students, many of whom have not even entered puberty yet. I certainly hadn't at age 11 or 12.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

21. Oh, a good portion of 6th graders are in the midst of puberty.

But they don't need abstinence training. They need real sex education.

[Firespirit]

23. Perhaps so

Development comes at different ages. But the kids in my sixth grade class were still children when it came to sex -- they thought it was a funny and forbidden thing to discuss. This was 12 years ago, BTW, not in the distant past. It just seems like sex education for people barely out of childhood would be a waste of time. Now, 15 year olds... yes, definitely.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

29. Was this a private school?

[Firespirit]

32. No

A suburban public school.

[LeftyMom]

53. Sex education here starts in grade five.

A fair number of my classmates got their periods in the sixth grade, and the age of menarche goes down as kids are getting fatter, so most of them probably do by now.

[ComerPerro]

24. Wait, if you can start over again, then why abstain?

[Matariki]

25. This way, if you end up with a miserably inept partner you'll never know it's not 'the best'

good strategy. leads to lots of healthy, happy marriages. do i really need the sarcasm tag?

[elperromagico]

31. "Just lay there and think of something else."

I wonder how many mothers have given that advice to their daughters on the wedding day...

[elperromagico]

26. For a test, put these same kids in a room with a button.

Put up big signs that say "Don't Press The Button! You'll Regret It!"

How many will press the button?

[Matariki]

28. oh, and nothing like having your raging hormones make major life decisions for you

like who you want to spend the rest of your life with....

[Firespirit]

30. Because nobody EVER has sex with someone else after getting married.

And spouses NEVER get STDs from unfaithful husbands and wives.

And EVERYONE wants to get married at some point.

Yeah right.

[elperromagico]

36. Why does a legal document constitute permission to make love anyway?

What you wind up with are a lot of young men and women, anxious to have sex, getting married because they believe that's the only way they can have sex.

Really does wonders for the sanctity of marriage.

[Firespirit]

41. I think they want young women married early anyway

Early marriage and no contraception (or hard-to-get, shameful, etc.) is exactly what they want. These fundy people really, deeply dislike the idea of women having lives of their own that do not revolve around being babymakers and silent housewives. I was browsing through that book Whistling Past Dixie the other day and saw that, in the deep South, over one third of the population and 25% of young people are against the idea of women working outside the home.

[WindRavenX]

45. Idiots

I didn't wait for marriage.I am disease free and have never had an accidental pregnancy-- because I was explained how to have safe sex. I knew by age 14 I wasn't going to wait.

[jaysunb]

46. My Granddaughter was involved in a program like this .....

a few years back. They even had some sort of ceremony at their church, which included a letter writing vow and request for money. Well,my daughter and her husband, were pretty pissed when I gave the 12 year old and them a piece of MY mind about the hypocrisy and dangers of trying to be " pussy police," whilst reminding ( the parents) of THEIR behavior back in the day !

Of course they listened to their Minister and not me. Last year, said Gran kid got a two week visit with me....to rest up after a rather complicated abortion.

" I told you so " was not necessary.....

BTW, Granddaughter is a senior in HS, making A's & B's and already has prospects from several good schools.

:evilfrown:

[Binka]

55. Good For You Grand Dad!

The "pussy police" comment really cracked me up BTW.

[Shipwack]

47. Just out of curiosity... How many would approve if her hook was truthful?

I mean, what if she really were teaching them to have really great sex? Or at least really great sex that didn't involve intercourse?

Personally, I'd like to see a course like that, though maybe not at the sixth grade level...

Won't happen in this country this century, probably. Damn Puritans... screwed up our mental outlook for generations.

[ContraBass Black]

49. I'd say, inform them about contraception and then let them figure out

The tricks on their own.

[HughBeaumont]

50. The Best Sex? Uh . . . have to give you a great beeg fat HELLS NO on that one, Judy.

From personal experience, this whole huge moment of "deflowering" that the girl or boy is saving theirselves up for is about as wonderful and beautiful as receiving a dog turd in a box, to be quite honest. I felt awkward, clumsy and not at all aroused during it. I was continually apologetic and demanded that she tell me to stop should this hurt her in any way or if she wasn't ready. I felt sick and queasy and sad and extremely guilty afterwards, and I'm quite positive she felt the same way.

Yeah, what a big wedding night THAT'S gonna be: one really painful, unenjoyable and anti-climactic action. Aren't you glad you saved up for THAT? I would NEVER EVER want to go through that again and would hardly consider this "the best sex". I'm ALSO glad I got this out of the way before marriage, as I would definitely not want this sort of thing to have happened on my wedding night. Shouldn't your honeymoon be enjoyable and not painful for the woman and incredibly awkward for BOTH parties?

[Selatius]

52. There's real evidence that abstinence only sex education does not work.

Just look at Mississippi's teen pregnancy rates.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

58. Since WHEN is a piece of paper?

Since when is a piece of paper ( a State Issued Screwing License) gonna make your spouse love you and be faithful?? Well, it is NOT.

Pieces of paper are meaningless. Marriage is meaningless when one partner is not serious about loving you or being faithful (I speak from hard won experience here). You cannot MAKE someone love you, or be nice to you, if they don't want to be.

This pushing of marriage as the solution to all problems, from sex to bad relationships, is bull.
All it does is make the divorce lawyers rich. Makes it expensive and complicated to get out of a bad relationship.

My ex and I were in marriage counseling and told the counselor I wanted my hubby at the time, ten minutes a day to discuss what I had done that day, how work was, etc. The counselor told us that I was "too demanding" to want 10 minutes a day of discussion. :banghead:

I think my ex wanted a boarding house where he could mooch off me for free rent, free food and sex about once a month.

That was his idea of marriage. No affection or encouragement.
:banghead: Oh, and he thinks Mr. Spock is "really Cool" because "he doesn't have emotions and emotions are weak". :banghead: