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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 08:13 PM
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Jim & Tammy Fay Bakker's son.............
I find this fascinating. As a Christian I am very encouraged by this.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/13/bakker.brown.commentary/index.html
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 08:20 PM
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1. May I be the first to K&R
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 08:21 PM
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2. Star Of 'One Punk Under God' On The Sundance Channel
Also, sounds like Tammy Faye is near the end of the road (cancer).
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cmkramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 11:37 PM
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9. I think he's been doing this for a while now
ROLLING STONE did an article about him several years ago where they talked about him preaching to street people, drug addicts, etc.

I wonder what his sister Tammy Sue is doing now. She got married very young -- I think she was 17 -- and had at least two kis, but I don't know much about what she's doing now.

Doesn't sound like Tammy Faye is going to be with us much longer.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 08:38 PM
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3. what's interesting is the debate these lads will
set off -- well done.

evangelicals hatefilled message IS NOT the only christian message.

and yet it is presented to us as though it is.
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GenDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 08:38 PM
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4. Inclusion, acceptance, non judgment -
hummm....:think: sounds like Jesus from the sermon on the mount.

I like this kids message. He definitely isn't his fathers son
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 08:42 PM
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5. I'm willing to bet he learned a lot from his dad's "fall"....
namely, how ugly Christians can get, as I'm sure his dad was thrown under the bus throughout the conservative evangelical world.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 08:46 PM
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6. Tammy is pretty cool too
All the crap that went down was Jim's fault.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 12:38 AM
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12. You realize I hope,
that she, Tammy Faye, is dying in Hospice as we speak. I found out over the weekend when I first saw this story about her son on one of the Sunday talk shows. So sad that the cancer is finally taking her. She was a "pisser" to say the least. I mean that in a kind way.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 09:14 PM
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20. I suppose it's our turn to pray for her. n/t
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:18 AM
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13. Jim isn't the horrible jerk the media made him out to be.
They are sincere. Not perfect, but sincere -- and they didn't judge people or condem them to hell.
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GenDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:46 AM
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14. I tend to agree.
I remember watching them on the PTL show, just out of curiosity, and they seemed a tad dysfunctional (real) and that came across, to me, more sincere. Yes, Jim got caught up in the money thing and messing with his secretary...but there was something more genuine about them.

I have enjoyed Tammy Fay Meisner on Larry King, of late. Sorry that the cancer is about to take her.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 09:13 AM
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16. My bro&sis in-law had PARTIES on Friday nights in the 80's
where we'd all go watch PTL and laugh like hell. Funny thing, though-- they sort of got to me. They were camp and crazy but they meant it -- all of it.
They didn't demand the widow's last penny (Robert Tilton )or offer miracle prayer cloths and fake healings (Ernest Angeley)--hell, they got busted for selling timeshares at Heritage USA, on a technicality that would have put every pre-built timeshare seller in jail had the law been applied evenly.

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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 10:35 AM
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18. That's kind of how I felt about them
To me, it was pretty obvious that they were simple folk who were in way over their head, as far as running the money end of things. I also think that Jerry Falwell had reasons for taking them down-mainly, their acceptance of gays, both on their staff and as congregants. You know it wasn't because of the allegations of financial misappropriations-Falwell's hawking and selling of the videos making false allegations about the Clintons through his ministry shows that his ethics are lacking-even if the tapes were making true allegations, it's still completely inappropriate to advertise them through a tax-exempt ministry.
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Nomad559 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 08:47 PM
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7. Direct link to
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 09:08 PM
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8. Sounds like he actually read the New Testament
I wrote him an email and thanked him for doing so and said it was high time the teachings were actually preached to the world.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 12:24 AM
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10. Whoa. Didn't expect that.
Edited on Fri Dec-15-06 12:26 AM by Canuckistanian
I think I'd call this guy a mensch.

And I'm sure Jesus would, as well.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 12:35 AM
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11. Good for him.
I think sometimes we're too quick to assume that kids will be like their parents, so I'm glad you posted this. I cringe when people pick on the kids of Republicans for instance, because I was raised by Republicans myself, and obviously I'm here, so that didn't take. Most in my family still are, though my mom has come over from the dark side.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:49 AM
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15. "One Punk Under God" promises to be some fascinating documentary TV.
I saw it the first time on Tuersday when he revisited Heritage USA and talked about his childhood there. He's a complex young man who desperately wants to see his dad but doesn't seem at all bitter.

Let's hear it for reality TV that isn't trashy or exploitative!
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jackster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 09:42 AM
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17. I too found One Punk Under God fascinating....
and I've always been sort of a closet fan of the Bakkers even when I knew they were wrong - but they paid enormous prices for their mistakes while the likes of Falwell and Dobson are infinitely worse and still around. Jerry Falwell in particular cut the rug out from under the entire family. I am so sad about Tammy Faye and have been keeping up with her progress. I was not pleased to see that Jim Bakker will not return his son's phone calls in the first episode.

Although I've become an agnostic over the years, I believe that they are all pretty decent people who really do believe the Christian message and want to reach out and help others.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 11:04 AM
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19. I'm not into organized religion, and I think this guy is doing something really special.
And to be fair, Jim and Tammy may have bilked their flock but they were never the psychodot, intolerant hellfire-and-brimstone jokers that Fartwell, Robertson and Swaggart were. I think that's where James gets it, and he's continuing the true "accommodation for all peoples" message Jesus taught us.
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