O'Really's new low: David Duke not White Supremacist, but "White Nationalist"

[originalpckelly]

Just flipped past Anderson Cooper, and OMG!

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS ASSHOLE?

Couldn't find the interview on Fox's site, but here is the description of this interview from O'Really's website:
"Personal Story Segment
David Duke on Ward Churchill
Guest: David Duke

Former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke, who is now living and teaching in the Ukraine, joined The Factor to discuss radical leftist professor Ward Churchill. Duke attempted to distance himself from his past racist statements. "I was in the KKK thirty years ago, and that's not what I'm about today. As far as Ward Churchill is concerned, we should allow his viewpoints to be heard. I don't agree with one iota of what Ward Churchill says, except that we wouldn't have had 9/11 if we had minded our own business. But people have a right to make statements." The Factor told Duke that he and Ward Churchill are in effect opposite sides of the same coin: "Free speech has consequences--both you and Churchill, on opposite ends of the spectrum, have brought personal pain to Americans.""

http://billoreilly.com/show?action=viewTVShow&showID=152#5

[Warren DeMontague]

1. How about just plain old "Rage Drunk Right Wing Bile-Filled Fascist Asshole"?

Or does that sound too much like someone else we know?

[WindRavenX]

2. giving legitimacy to racist, anti-semitic groups?

o'Reilly? Never!

[originalpckelly]

3. I think this is about as bad as Malmedy...

HOW THE FUCK! CAN THIS PIECE OF TRASH GET AWAY WITH IT?

[Lithos]

4. What?

How disgusting. Course he can't insult his core audience you know by calling them the racist bastards they really are.

L-

[AlienGirl]

5. What a duo...

[originalpckelly]

12. DU Notification:

This post could not be completed, as the poster's head exploded.

[AlienGirl]

15. Exactly. I flipped channels onto the show to see it. I have head explodey.

My eyes may never be clean again.

Tucker

[Selatius]

6. There is a slight difference between the two, in my honest opinion.

White supremacists believe in racial superiority and would seek total destruction of all inferior beings. Nationalists, on the other hand, want "separate but equal" with respect to Whites and minorities; they want a new culture that's "White-centric" and usually don't care with blending ideas with other cultures. The idea of interracial dating, to both, is heretical.

The first group scares me the most, and the 2nd is hard to differentiate from the first. It's like sitting in an open field wondering which one is going to point his rifle at you and shoot. The one that shoots you is a supremacist. The one who laughs is a nationalist.

[originalpckelly]

11. I see, so that whole bit about the KKK is not white supremacy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_klux_klan

[Selatius]

20. Duke is a supremacist, he can try and say he isn't.

He's trying to cast himself as more "moderate," but relatively speaking, that's not much.

[Erika]

14. O'Reilly ought to be saluting the twin Blondie girls who

believe in white is right. I'll be so glad when these racists and supremacists get reality.

How many families love their families of inter racial marriages. We all do. Or 99% of us do.

There is no such thing as a purist race anymore. A few die hards might try to pretend, so be it.

[Selatius]

22. There is no "race" at all; it's an artificial construct

The human species is one group, not multiple. Skin color/eye color is nothing more than a product of one's environment. Everything else is the same on the inside.

[Erika]

23. We know that n/t

[Selatius]

25. Unfortunately, some of my neighbors here in Mississippi don't know

They also don't know about evolution either.

[jobycom]

30. Man, I remember your neighbors.

I got so sick of them I dropped out of Mississippi State in my junior year of a computer engineering degree, with a 3.6 average. I moved to Dallas because in comparison it seemed enlightened! I had a black roommate at MSU, an friend from high school. One of our suite mates would get drunk every weekend and start screaming the N word in the middle of the night and telling everyone how much he hated "them." To their credit, a couple of suite mates would shut him up, and apologize to us in the morning. Sadly, I think it affected me more than my roommate, who was probably more used to it. I went to college to get an education and to see a whole new world open up to me, instead I ran into a Bubbaville that made my hometown of Gulfport seem like a multicultural oasis.

Sorry for the rant. Not related to our discussion, but I had to get it off my chest.

[Erika]

19. Electing blacks to represent white nationalists is probably

why Harold Ford got defeated. At that time, it becomes a belief in white supremacy.

[DRoseDARs]

7. Was he jumping a shark when he said that?

Can we stick a fork in this rotted ham now? He's well past done. :shrug:

[originalpckelly]

9. Someone has to watch O'Really and get a screen shot of the caption...

I can't find it online like I did with the fact based BS, because this is an interview not one of his little talking points memos.

[Little Wing]

8. If only he'd moved to Kazahkstan

Is very nice, once a year we have running of Jew

[originalpckelly]

10. O'Really's show can't be shown in Kazahkstan...

too little anti-Semitism.

:eyes:

[jobycom]

13. There is a difference.

A white supremacist claims that whites are a superior race and are naturally dominant over all other races. Thus, they justify things like lynchings, and even slavery. A white nationalist, or white separatist, believes that the races should remain separate. Thus, a nationalist would support segregation and tougher immigration laws, but not necessarily lynchings or slavery. A person can be both--neither is exclusive of the other--but can be one without the other.

For the tiny bit that that's worth.

[Erika]

17. How do white nationalists view black U.S. leaders

elected to represent all of us?

It is sadly true that a white nationalist ad was ran against Harold Ford saying you can't have those blacks around us white girls. Is that not white supremacy rather than white nationalism?

[jobycom]

28. Dunno.

I never tried to claim that white nationalists were good people. Just that there was a distinction. I never saw the Ford ads. The little I know makes it seem more like the were playing on the racism of the voters than making any type of ideological statement. They just wanted the voters to think of Ford as a black man out to get their white women, to evoke the old racist reactions that would evoke.

[originalpckelly]

24. Mr. Duke was a member of a white supremacist organization...

he can try to hide it, but the vile bile that came out his mouth still reeks.

[jobycom]

26. He actually eventually changed his opinion, IIRC.

As a KKK leader, he was a Supremacist. IIRC, he left the KKK because his views changed, and he became more of a separatist, and for a while, he acted like only a partial separatist. When he was running for governor of Louisiana, his views were almost mainstream Republican (which I don't see as much of an improvement). He wasn't calling for the complete separation of the races, he was calling for an end to affirmative action and social programs he believed helped non-whites more than whites. He sounded a lot like Reagan, actually.

What he really believed, and whether that was just a ploy to sound more mainstream, I can't answer. I never liked him in any of his stages--I hope that goes without saying. Never liked Reagan, either, whom I consider to be as vile as Duke. Worse, actually--in a weird sort of way, I always thought Duke was a bit more introspective, and a bit more honest about what he believed. Reagan was a black-hearted dog, and just put on an act to appear more acceptable.

I've never made a habit of studying David Duke. I only know all this because I'm from that region, and heard a lot about him when he was running for governor.

[originalpckelly]

27. Mr. Duke is the same old racist, with a new coat of paint...

Why would he want the races to be separated?

The semantics game is BS to mitigate his positions on the issues.

[jobycom]

29. Where the Hell do you get off claiming I'm "mitigating" his positions.

I'm explaining a distinction. If you don't like the explanation, move on. There's no semantics game here. Both groups are racist, they overlap, but there's a distinction. Live with it.

[azurnoir]

32. He did not exactly change

There was an interview he did at the time he was running for governor, it was with Playboy i believe.One of the questions he was asked was about the future of white supremacy- his answer made me queasy then and now. He said that supremacists had to clean-up their image, no boy this or nigger that, only PC language and they should drop the sheets(kkk) and don business suits or even a preachers collar. That they could gain support in this manner.Looking at things now I think it may have worked.

I have tried to find this interview several times and can't I wanted to post here, it is chilling.

[jobycom]

33. Sounds like Reagan. nt

[muntrv]

16. Billo, go quail hunting with Dick Cheney.

[marmar]

18. O'Reilly not asshole, but "ass orafice"

:eyes:

[DRoseDARs]

21. Well, someone needs to stuff a falafel into his whatever-it's-called. n/t

;)

[UncleSepp]

31. Deliberate inclusivity

He's being deliberately inclusive toward white nationalists. It's PC-speech for the capital-W White crowd. They'll call themselves white nationalists, but nobody else ever calls them that without scare quotes or prefacing phrases. Maybe on the next show, he'll give a shout out to his cracker brothers. (Hey, I'm allowed to say that, on more counts than you might think!)

Also, the folks who posted here explaining the difference between white nationalists and white supremacists were completely correct. Not all white nationalists are necessarily white supremacists, and not all white supremacists are necessarily white nationalists. The political goals of white nationalists are more dangerous: a white supremacist does not necessarily have any political goal, and may live his life according to his feelings of white supremacy without having any impact on anyone outside of his immediate social circle. A white nationalist, like any other nationalist, is defined by a political goal. If he is not having a political impact, he is either uncommitted, incompetent, or lazy. Ultimately, white nationalists cannot succeed without radically changing the form of some state somewhere. Ultimately, the white state as home of the white nation cannot be established without overthrow and revolution somewhere, sometime: any state which harbors them willingly harbors the seeds of its downfall.

[zbdent]

34. Duke's a "nationalist", but you say something about outsourcing jobs

to other countries, and you're labeled as an evil "isolationist" ... which is funny, because a while back, the Repukes were all about America, and included many Repukes who proudly proclaimed themselves as such ... (except for the American workers)