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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 08:49 AM Original message |
An Olive Branch to smokers, and perhaps a compromise? |
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SheilaT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
1. Are there municipalities |
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rainbow4321 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 10:50 AM Response to Reply #1 |
17. There was a thread not too long ago |
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BeyondThePale (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
2. Ok, but why do we allow corporations to market deadly and addictive... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:07 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Cuz it's the 'Murkin way... |
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BeyondThePale (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:13 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Thanks! I have a son with heart and respiratory problems... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:18 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. That is so hard for a parent! |
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BeyondThePale (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:20 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Thank you! It has been very challenging for him... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
4. Recommended for reason, and common courtesy. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
8. as a nonsmoker, I think the central problem is the extreme intolerance... |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
9. I find children in restaurants annoying and smelly and a potential health hazard |
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BeyondThePale (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:53 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. How many smokers do you know who honestly |
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LizW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 10:13 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Do you have to hire a sitter for your smokes? |
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Montauk6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 10:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Hey why not just ban everybody from restaurants? |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 11:06 AM Response to Reply #9 |
21. I find sanctimonious idiots annoying and a potential health hazard, myself. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 11:12 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. exactly... and that's just what non-smokers who push their wonts on others are |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 11:17 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Actually, I was referring to someone who would equate cigarettes with children |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 11:19 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. I don't have children, nor will I ever... I can't see a reason to bring them into |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 11:21 AM Response to Reply #9 |
25. Some Restaurants Do Ban Children |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 12:42 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. really, the post was far more sarcastic than serious... I don't really want children banned |
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BeyondThePale (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 02:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. you can't honestly believe that people have an unalienable right to smoke |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 02:19 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. I believe humans have a right to be human... this means |
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BeyondThePale (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 06:59 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. Of course, you have a right to do unhealthy things... |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 03:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
73. Please, tell me the names of these Places. I would be a regular customer. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 09:21 AM Response to Reply #9 |
89. Children are smelly? |
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mntleo2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
10. As A Smoker ... |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 10:53 AM Response to Reply #10 |
19. As a pipe/cigar smoker for 35 years... |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
11. potent migraine trigger... |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 10:50 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. You know lot's of people have unavoidable migraine triggers..... |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 12:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. This one is NOT unavaoidable...unpreventable |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 12:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Oh, please. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 12:11 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. that's just ridiculous: equating cologne |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 10:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
52. We were discussing migraine triggers. n/t |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 11:50 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. in the context of passive smoking regulation.... |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 01:52 PM Response to Reply #52 |
103. Exactly! Freakin' EXACTLY!! |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 01:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
59. It's actually an interesting comparison, imho. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 04:20 PM Response to Reply #59 |
76. When is the last time you had to come home to....... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 04:27 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. When I was dating? Quite often, as a matter of fact. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 04:47 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Deleted message |
TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 05:02 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Your demeaning and insulting post is noted. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 05:17 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Your inability to address my point regarding ............ |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 01:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
57. Isn't the *whole point * of being a liberal rather than a right-winger... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 01:06 PM Response to Reply #57 |
102. IMHO--not exactly. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 02:29 PM Response to Reply #102 |
107. Actually, I agree with every word that you say! |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
15. I hate cigarette smoke and avoid it whenever I can. However, I |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 10:52 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. That's a different topic, but |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 08:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
50. wrong place |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
20. Thanks for the thought, |
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BeyondThePale (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 02:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. in large part because they are addicted |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 02:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
39. I find most smokers to be insensitive slaves to their addiction... |
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youthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 11:21 AM Response to Reply #39 |
98. Really? I'm a non-smoker and I find it to be just the opposite.. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 02:33 PM Response to Reply #98 |
108. Me too! |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
26. "...if the smoke...had no effect on non-smokers, we would not be having... |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 12:17 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Your problem is in your second sentence. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 10:39 AM Response to Reply #30 |
95. Seriously - I was offended to about the Puritan comment |
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FedUpWithIt All (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 12:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Very nice. |
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BeyondThePale (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 02:17 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. this has nothing to do with puritans |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 12:24 PM Response to Reply #35 |
101. Let's ban alcohol, too... |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 02:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. well said peace patriot. you're definitely on my read list! |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. Tip: Those metal Altoids tins make great portable ashtrays! |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 03:52 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. That statement IS true |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 12:36 PM Response to Reply #26 |
55. Great post..... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 01:53 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. Indeed. Agreed. |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 12:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
56. the laws dont tell you not to smoke, anywhere, ever. Just to not be an asshole |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 01:51 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. That's just not true. Entire towns and cities are banning smoking ... |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 01:59 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. What towns have entirely banned smoking? |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 02:14 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. There's a company only about 50 miles from me around Lansing (Okemos) ... |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 03:29 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. I wasn't challenging you |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 03:47 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Sorry if I sounded pugnacious. |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 04:33 PM Response to Reply #63 |
78. exactly. Tahiti Nut--you're on my definitely read list too. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 10:50 AM Response to Reply #78 |
96. indeed! :) |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
38. the olive branch doesn't work and wont until the non smoker |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 05:38 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. Then help me out here...what do I not understand? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 04:58 PM Response to Reply #45 |
82. a start are the anti smokers in the thread. a couple years ago |
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skypilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
41. I'm a smoker... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
42. I TOTALLY fail to understand why there can't be smoking places and non-smoking places. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 03:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Are you asking "Why ban smoking in all public accommodations?" (n/t) |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 09:24 AM Response to Reply #42 |
90. I don't understand that either |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
46. I do my best |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. As a non-smoker, I agree |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
47. SMOKE WILL Make me sick within 48 hours -- without a doubt |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 02:04 PM Response to Reply #47 |
67. that's unfortunate..... |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 02:22 PM Response to Reply #47 |
70. Have you read the dos and don'ts of nicotine patches? |
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BeyondThePale (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
49. Let's think about why people smoke... |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
51. My comprimise: |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
53. The only compromise left for me and most smokers |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
60. Ihave no problem with your compromise idea, but it has to be compromise on both |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 01:38 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Anecdotal 'evidence' trumps peer-reviewed science since when? (n/t) |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. HA HA! So much for compromise! |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. What's wrong with pointing that out? |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 02:11 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. It is not a question of if it harms, it is a question of can people make a choice to allow |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 02:08 PM Response to Reply #60 |
105. I don't even smoke in my own house when I have guests! |
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novalib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
71. COSTS of Smoking!! |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 03:54 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Red Herring. Smokers pay more than they cost. |
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novalib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 04:43 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. SO... You're Saying WE PROFIT???!!!! |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 04:55 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Have you heard about the "Master Settlement Agreement"? |
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novalib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 05:05 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. SO??? |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 05:08 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. If you want your "feelings" to be left "out of it" then why did YOU post about them? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 09:17 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. ;) |
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novalib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 09:48 AM Response to Reply #85 |
92. CAREFUL, THERE..... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 09:50 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. "HERE'S LOOKING AT YOU, KID!!!!" |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 11:03 AM Response to Reply #92 |
97. Here. This might help. |
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novalib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #97 |
110. Just A LITTLE Directive There!! |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 11:39 AM Response to Reply #92 |
99. Cruise control for cool |
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novalib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 05:02 PM Response to Reply #99 |
111. COOL KEYBOARD!!!!! |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 09:44 AM Response to Reply #71 |
91. CAPS LOCK MAKES POINT OF EMPHASIS!!!!!!!! |
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frustrated_lefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
87. Sounds pretty reasonable to me. |
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leftyclimber (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
94. I most gratefully accept. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
100. Why not merely enact air quality standards for nonsmoking sections |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
104. If you smoke while your posting on your computer, fine. It isn't seeping through |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 02:12 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Oh, but it does seep through! |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 03:06 AM Response to Reply #106 |
112. :) |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
109. Bottom line: smoking is a privilege not a right. nt |
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