Senator Wife ejected, Cindy arrested, for SAME RULE VIOLATION

[rpgamerd00d]

Both women violated the Gallery rules by wearing T-Shirts with messages.

Senator Young's Wife: Removed, not arrested.
Cinday: Removed, arrested.

A SENATE GALLERY RULE OF CONDUCT IS NOT A FEDERAL, STATE, OR MUNICIPAL STATUE. YOU CANNOT BE ARRESTED FOR IT, AS THERE IS NO CORRESPONDING STATUE. "Unlawful conduct" is a BULLSHIT CHARGE, and even if it was true, SENATOR YOUNG'S WIFE should have also been arrested. Capitol Police are screwed.

[John Q. Citizen]

1. Got a link please?

[jsamuel]

3. it was just on C-SPAN from what I understand

[Mind_your_head]

5. Link Here:

http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060201/APX/602010641

[John Q. Citizen]

21. Thanks! Boy the Senators wife is demeaning the Chief of Police over

her experience.

[johnnyrocket]

49. Rep. Young said: "This is not acceptable."

What about Sheehan, Mr. Young, was THAT unacceptable!?!?

[caligirl]

54. called woolsey's office and they are aware of this too.

[Greeby]

2. And did Bill Young stick up for Cindy on the House floor just now?

Don't make me laugh :eyes:

[havocmom]

8. Did he argue against putting dissenters in 'Free Speech Zones'?

Either AMERICA is a free speech zone or it isn't, Mr. Young. It is not just a right for GOP wives.

[fishwax]

18. repubs don't like it when they get a taste of their own oppression

poor bill young :rofl:

poor mrs. young :rofl:

From the article in the Gainesville Sun, they both sound like entitlement whores, as in they're entitled to whatever they damn well please, and anyone who gets in their way had better watch out :rofl:

http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060201/APX/602010641

[txindy]

4. That's only according to Young and his wife.

Conveeeeeeeeeeenient, isn't it? :eyes:

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. It always is. nt

[Binka]

16. What Bullshit This Is Pure CYA & Grandstanding Shit Heads!

If the GOP had a fucking original idea it would be dead of fucking loneliness. Get a clue Pukes...WE AIN'T BUYING YOUR BULLSHIT.

[fooj]

58. Thanks, Binka! I needed a good laugh!

If the GOP had a fucking original idea it would be dead of fucking loneliness.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I owe ya one.;)

peace.

[Claymore]

6. In fairness...

....the police claim that Young left voluntarily, precluding an arrest...based on the various news reports, I don't think Cindy left voluntarily.

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[dogday]

14. You think wrong. Cindy did not make any

problems, she left very quietly, check out the photos....

[fishwax]

23. most of the photos I've seen are actually when she's arriving

(you can tell because the shirt is not yet exposed ...)

Anyway, she says she had no chance to protest or question, but was roughly and quickly escorted out. I see no reason to believe the media over her.

[Binka]

15. In Fairness.... They Didn't Give Cindy An Option

Please read her account of events and then chime in...mmm ok?

[fishwax]

20. the original news reports said she unfurled a banner. There's simply no

reason to believe the various news reports.

[rpgamerd00d]

47. The same news that said "12 miners are alive", right? -nt

[fishwax]

56. yep. my point exactly n/t

[txindy]

24. Haven't looked at the pictures, have you?

Do try and let facts come between you and an opinion.

Does Cindy look like she's resisting?

[SteppingRazor]

45. Hey, Go long! I got a Little Green Football for ya!

Oops. My bad. That wasn't a Little Green Football. It was a nuclear bomb.

:nuke:

[meganmonkey]

51. LOL

Are you allowed to say things like that, mod? :rofl:

[SlipperySlope]

63. What is a little green football?

I don't understand...

[helderheid]

48. yes she did.

[kentuck]

9. They're experimenting with the new Patriot Act...

about arresting people that "cross the line" when protesting...

[Kagemusha]

10. I think the Senate can jail a person for the duration of a session..

It's not devoid of powers to maintain decorum in its own chambers. But arresting her would have to be on suspicion of some other crime such as oh, being there to blow up the chamber. Which in itself would be on-its-face bullshit, but which they can likely get away with just fine. Unless you're saying that the Senate lacks the power to administer its own affairs on its own building? I think that's in the Constitution, actually.

Edit: And if you don't know that, then you're just displaying ignorance of how the Senate and House operate, just like Cindy claimed on Kos last night. I was not, and am not, impressed by that.

[enlightenment]

44. No, there is nothing about how the Senate should deal with a

situation like this in the Constitution, this is as close as it gets --

Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behavior, and, with the Concurrence of two-thirds, expel a Member.
Article I, Section 5, US Constitution

Do feel free to READ it. However, since you obviously know the details of how the Senate and the House operate, why don't you enlighten us? If there is an internal rule that covers this situation, please share it with us.

You are completely within your rights to believe that Cindy Sheehan was out of line, if that's what you want to do ; but you might catch a refresher on what the SOTU is supposed to be, since you seem to think it's the equivalent of a Board of Directors meeting.

It isn't. Nor is it a private party, or a pageant, or a fashion show. It is the recommendation of the Constitution that places the President before Congress --

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient . . .
Article II Section 3, US Constitution

-- note the "shall," which implies a stronger impetus than "may." The SOTU is part of the President's job. Period. Congress could stand on the White House lawn and the President could dangle from the roof -- if he delivered the message it would still be the SOTU.

If you think Cindy Sheehan was wrong, so be it; but lose the "you're just displaying ignorance" nonsense. If you know something, share it -- if you don't, leave off disparaging others. Try teaching, rather than just criticizing.

[OzarkDem]

46. What do you say

about the fact that the Republican congressman's wife wasn't arrested?

[CottonBear]

12. Cindy'd T-shirt had a fact not an opinion or an order to "support..."

Since when has stating simple facts been illegal? I detest the "Support the troops" phrase. It is a COMMAND rather than a statement. "I support the Troops" would be a statement or opinion. Of course, most Republican Murikans are too stupid to know the difference.

[Jersey Devil]

13. Question: Did they eject her before or after (as I suspect) cindy?

I'd bet the ranch it was after.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

17. So, elected officials can perform political stunts during the SOTU

but citizens cannot. (Purple fingers vs. T-shirts)

That seems to be the primary message.

[leftchick]

19. He is Representative Bill Young - Repuke, Indian Shores FL

just to be clear. And his wife sounds like a freeper.

[Spazito]

22. I have yet to see the actual Rules of Conduct posted

so we know exactly what they say and to whom they refer. I went to the U.S. Senate site but could not find the Rules on there at all. I hope someone has better luck.

[WahooJunkie]

25. This was posted by

TXindy on another post.

"Believing that the Capitol Police needed guidance in determining what behavior constitutes a demonstration,” the United States Capitol Police Board issued a regulation that interprets “demonstration activity” to include: parading, picketing, speechmaking, holding vigils, sit-ins, or other expressive conduct that conveys a message supporting or opposing a point of view or has the intent, effect or propensity to attract a crowd of onlookers, but does not include merely wearing Tee shirts, buttons or other similar articles of apparel that convey a message.”

http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/97-1337c.pdf"



I think it's fair to say she DID NOT BREAK ANY RULES.

[txindy]

27. Nope, no rules broken by Cindy

And thanks for the attribution there, WahooJunkie! :hi:

[WahooJunkie]

28. Of course!

Thanks for clearing this up for us! :toast:

[Spazito]

30. Thanks for this! It seems she definitely didn't break any rule

I hope she takes them to court!

[rpgamerd00d]

26. I am about to spill this on Stephanie Miller show - stay tuned

[WahooJunkie]

29. awesome

I'm tired of people saying "well, a repuke got thrown out too"

NEITHER should've been thrown out. It's BS.

[KittyWampus]

31. "spill"? this is one of the stupidest "controversies" yet.

[WahooJunkie]

32. Are you on now?

You need to point out the difference that NEITHER should have been thrown out.

The arrest is not the issue. Well it is, but I think the larger issue is that both women were not doing anything wrong.

[rpgamerd00d]

33. Yes, I made the "War on Teeshirts" reference

I didn't want to argue the point about ejecting people.
That is interpretive. They have rules, and although T-Shirts are clearly NOT part of those rules, that arguement is still an open debate, and wasn't something you could say "BAM, this was wrong". Whereas, the non-arrest of a Congressmans wife over THE IDENTICAL INCIDENT has a huge, unrefutable punch.

[WahooJunkie]

39. Understandable n/t

[woodsprite]

34. Where is Sen. Young from? I haven't found that yet - FL? n/t

[rpgamerd00d]

35. Rep. C.W. Bill Young (House, not Senate)

[mod mom]

36. READ THIS: Capitol Police disagreed with Young's account of the incident.

SOUNDS FISHY TO ME!

Rep. Young's wife says she was ejected from State of the Union

The Associated Press


February 01. 2006 6:02AM


The wife of Rep. C.W. Bill Young said she was ejected during President Bush's State of the Union address for wearing a T-shirt that said, "Support the Troops Defending Our Freedom," a newspaper reported Wednesday
Beverly Young said she was sitting in the front row of the House gallery Tuesday night when she was approached by someone who told her she needed to leave, according to the St. Petersburg Times.

<snip>

Capitol Police disagreed with Young's account of the incident.

"She was not ejected from the gallery. She did leave on her own," said Sgt. Kimberly Schneider, who said she could not provide further information.

http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060201/APX/602010641

[rpgamerd00d]

37. *cough*bullshit*cough*

[sandnsea]

52. So, that's even worse

If the police report is accurate, then they gave her an opportunity to make a choice regarding her shirt. Cindy says she was grabbed and shoved out, held and then taken to two different police stations. Why wasn't Cindy given the opportunity to cover up her shirt or leave peacefully???

[ryan_cats]

38. It made no sense to arrest her

It made no sense to arrest her, what were they hoping to achieve? Are they that blind that they think roughing up Cindy will accomplish anything except generate MORE sympathy for her?

It's nice to know the thugs are so politically blind that they think this will help things.

Go Cindy~!!!!

[WinkyDink]

40. No proof other than words about the Republican woman. NONE.

Don't forget: Cindy had a banner! Cindy was boisterous! Cindy had a wide smile!

The U.K. version: He was carrying a bomb! He was over-dressed for the heat!

The official version: We know where the WMD's are!

[rpgamerd00d]

41. Doesn't matter. Her incident HELPS us, not hurts us. They have...

... no reason to fabricate this, since its the LAST THING they would want.
Also, there is proof, as Rep. Bill Young is on video griping about it today.

Maybe someone can get that video for us.

[n2doc]

43. maybe. You know the media will spin this

The MSM will never broadcast the real story, it will just by "nutty leftist chavez lover trys to disrupt state of the union speech" or some variant.

[sandnsea]

55. Will we organize???

Will we be able to launch a national truth campaign on this? Because if we can't do it on this, we'll never do it on anything.

[sandnsea]

53. This HELPS

Gads. Two women, both with shirts, one arrested, one not. Why. Simple.

[goodhue]

42. what rule?

[Atman]

50. Cindy is a habitual offender!

She has an addiction to democracy she has to keep feeding.

[Spazito]

57. Actually, this means the repubs know the action taken against

Cindy is backfiring on them which is why this is now being 'showcased'. That is good news because it, in actuality, only points out even more clearly the egregious difference between the two, assuming the repub wife story is even true as reported.

[The Backlash Cometh]

59. I would say that Cindy has a good lawsuit case on her hands.

[rpgamerd00d]

61. Cohen V. California -- Precedent for Cindy

Appellant was convicted of violating that part of Cal. Penal Code § 415 which prohibits "maliciously and willfully disturb the peace or quiet of any neighborhood or person . . . by . . . offensive conduct," for wearing a jacket bearing the words "Fuck the Draft" in a corridor of the Los Angeles Courthouse. The Court of Appeal held that "offensive conduct" means "behavior which has a tendency to provoke others to acts of violence or to in turn disturb the peace," and affirmed the conviction. Held: Absent a more particularized and compelling reason for its actions, the State may not, consistently with the First and Fourteenth Amendments, make the simple public display of this single four-letter expletive a criminal offense. Pp. 22-26.

1 Cal. App. 3d 94, 81 Cal. Rptr. 503, reversed.


http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/comm/free_speech/cohen.html

Thanks to Attytood (http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002734.html)

[The Backlash Cometh]

64. Wouldn't that be a secondary source?

It's state law and Cindy will probably file in federal court.

[rpgamerd00d]

65. Stare Decisis - Didn't you learn anything from the Alito rubberstamping ?

:rofl:

[The Backlash Cometh]

66. Primary Sources trickle down with Stare Decisis.

I see you're kidding, but seriously, stare decisis isn't involved from state to state. It only involves within the State, and from the U.S. Supreme Court on down to the lower courts. So a California decision can be considered, and may influence the final decision in a Washington D.C. court, but the D.C. court isn't obligated to use it.

I think that's called secondary source? Does anybody know if there's another name for it?

[ananda]

60. No arrest necessary..

.. for wearing a shirt with a message..

.. even if there was a rule banning them.

I mean, jail?? All they had to do was escort
her out. Sheesh.

Sue

[balzac]

62. Wow!!

This is great news. Oh FUCK YEAH!!! Let's get those swine for laying their dirty hands on the mother of a slain soldier!