If Obama was pres or VP candidate, would Dems be more or less likely to win?

[yurbud]

[KingFlorez]

1. I think more likely

Because he has what it takes to reach out to the voters in some of the swing states.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. How the hell can anybody possibly know at this point???

[yurbud]

3. intuition at best. Asking the question might show the future drift of public opinion

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Intuition along with $2.50 will get you a skim latte at Starbuck's.

It is absolutely meaningless, especially nearly two years away from the actual election.

[Sparkly]

4. I'd have to see a direct comparison (more likely than if *who* had the spot instead?) nt

[zalinda]

6. Sorry, but neither Obama or Hillary

would get enough votes to win the election. This country is not ready for a woman or a black president. If Gore would have served as president, maybe we would have gotten to that point, but not now. With Bush, the country has taken a GIANT step backward on equal rights.

The media is hyping them, hoping that one of them will win the primary. If this happens, the repubs will win the presidency, and they know it. Notice where all the Hillary for president came from, not the candidate, not the public, but the media. Now, they are also hyping Obama, because they also think he will lose. We would be one sorry ass party, if we let them pick our candidate for president.

zalinda

[jus_the_facts]

7. Totally agree...but the media has and will do what it always does....

....and sad but true our sorry ass party will let that happen again...hate to be so cynical but nothing has changed in that regard and I don't see it changing anytime soon...if ever. x(

on edit...it has happened here locally too...the best candidates for our Gov. and Representatives in the past were beaten because of the color of their skin...and in the years since in their other political endeavors have been selected for ridicule and investigation..ala William Jefferson and Cleo Fields here in Louisiana...who I voted for because they were the best in delivering their messages in debates held at the time....and we all know who REALLY won the debates in 2000 and 2004 yet the media pumped up the fucktarded thief. :nopity:

Also I was told by other DEMS here that..."...those two KNEW they'd lose...and now we've got PUKES because of them even being considered electable in the first place...this was back in the '90's btw...and another major factor was gerrymandered drawn districts we have down here now too. :grr:

[yurbud]

9. a bigger factor than race is corporate toadying (see Ken Blackwell in Ohio)

Within the Democrats in 2004, the most progressive candidate, Dennis Kucinich, was eventually shut out by the MSM, and arguably the most electable of either the progressive or whore wing of the party, Howard Dean, was ridiculed out of the race. Both those guys were white.

All Sharpton got plenty of airtime for the same reason the GOP was funding him--he is a living caricature, practically a conservative drawn cartoon designed to scare white people into voting republican.

[yurbud]

8. Look at public reaction to Katrina. The right tried to paint blacks there as violent and

and not worthy of our help. The public was repulsed by it and rightly saw the people down there as fellow citizens.


sometimes taking a step back reminds you why you were headed forward in the first place.

It would be a gamble to put a black guy on the ticket, but think how the GOP would overplay it. People would be too conscious that a vote against Obama would be a vote FOR racism, and even a lot of people with residual racism wouldn't be comfortable with knowing that about themselves.