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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 06:48 PM
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Down With the Donkey! Bring Back The Democratic Tiger & Civic Engagement
Edited on Sun Dec-17-06 07:43 PM by IndyOp


YES! My parents were raised in the Oklahoma during the Great Depression when everyone was Democratic because the local Democratic Party was connected to the community through day-to-day work solving problems - helping people find jobs, exchange kids clothes, find housing...

I've been waiting for this... I BELIEVE it can transform this nation! The Blue Tiger Democrats are getting started in New York, Michigan, and Arizona. How fast can we spread this DU? :D :D :D

Do you agree with the principles of the Blue Tiger?

A Party isn't a Party if it's built top-down or supported primarily by large individual and corporate donors.

A Party isn't strong if it only debates the major issues or refines a concise message that can be communicated in a thirty-second commercial.

A Party is only as strong as its number of involved and dedicated members who believe in individual responsibility and demonstrate it by working in their communities.

A Party must not just debate the issues of the day, but demonstrate its values by individual actions.

A Party is strong if it is connected to its community through day-to-day work solving problems that exist in that community. People working outside the government, outside the bureaucracy, connect the Party to the voters.

For Politicians to be Respected, we must free them from the humiliating and enormously time-consuming task of fundraising.

Civic Engagement is a two-way street: it not only benefits individuals in the community, but it ensures that the Party is in touch with communities across America.



Can you believe that $1.6 BILLION was spent on political television ads in 2004? What lasting effect do we get from making the telecommunications industry and marketers wealthier and wealthier with each election cycle? None. None. None.

Origins of the Democratic Tiger:

In 1850 the Tiger became an official Democratic symbol.

The tiger was the favorite animal of legendary Indiana Cheif Tamanend: "The tiger affords a useful lesson for you. The exceeding agility of this creature, the extraordinary quickness of his sight and above all, his discriminating power in the dark, teach you... to look sharp to every engagement you enter into; and to let neither misty days, nor gloomy nights, make you lose sight of the worthy objects of your pursuit."

The Society of Tammany, named after him, was founded in the 1780s as a benevolent and charitable organization to provide extensive social services and support to its members.*

By the 1930's with FDR in the White House, the Tiger was the powerful symbol of the Party...

Did you know that the Democratic Donkey was the creation of Republican illustrator Thomas Nast and that it was intended as in insult? Nast shows Democratic Donkey kicking Lincoln's courageous, dead Secretary of War:


Before the elephant became fixed as its icon, the Republican Party was often depicted using another, less noble animal - the lamb. For instance, in this illustration from January, 1876, "They Both Lie Together In The Washington Arena" (Fig. 13) the Republicans are depicted as a cornered and overwhelmed lamb before an aggressive and strong "Democratic Tiger".



*As we all know, the power-brokers at Tammany became sick, corrupt with power and the Republican Party rose as a reform party to clean up Tammany. Can we go back to the future and take the good and leave the bad? The civic engagement was right - we need to resurrect it.


When the Tiger was our symbol, civic engagement was crucial to the mission of the Democratic Party. As the Party's commitment to civic virtue began to recede after World War II, the Tiger fell into disuse.

ITS TIME TO TAKE BACK OUR PARTY AND ITS IMAGE.

This Tiger is STRONG, IDEALISTIC, and INCORRUPTIBLE.

We will no longer be defined by our opponents.

Check out the Blue Tiger Democrats, committed to civic engagement and ENJOY THIS:

2008: A Blue Tiger President is a recasting of a classic Thomas Nast illustration. The image reveals the Blue Tiger message of civic engagement that will reconnect us to the voters and help us beat the "Alphabet Soup" of corruption and manipulation in '08.



I heard about this on tonight's "Ring of Fire" - one issue that was mentioned was that most of the $$$ available to the working poor goes unclaimed because people don't know it is there or what to do to access it. What if local Dems across the nation found out what was available and visited their neighbors to help them help themselves? I could do that. You could do that. We could do that. What else could we do?

:wow:
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 06:53 PM
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1. This could be big
a party that is actually responding to the needs of the people would get a ton of grass roots support-but you've got to get the local Democratic committees to go along with it.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 07:06 PM
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3. Some local committees will resist strongly - no doubt...
I've been amazed by stories I've read here about people volunteering to work at their local party and being slapped down because the "old-timers" have their roles all worked out and don't want to change a thing -- even though they've not done a damn thing in decades except send out ineffectual mailers.

I was just thinking I might send this out to my local Democracy For America group -- they are looking for a focus. Maybe this could be it! If the a local progressive group gets moving and has good effect then maybe the local Democratic Parties will get moving...

And the idea of giving money to those local Dem Parties that DO get moving is so much more satisfying that giving money that goes to commercials!

People become engaged in politics when they see that government CAN DO something positive in their lives.

:D

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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 07:43 PM
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6. You are talking about my local Democratic committee
in 2004, a group of former Republicans, Greens, Dems, and independents got together to try and get Bush out. We invited the local Dem committee chair, who promptly told us to only worry about local elections, because THEY WERE NOT SUPPORTING KERRY-and you know why? "Because he doesn't like guns". Did some research and found that they tended NOT to support Dems for national office--and yet they were the ones in power. Our group raised money and had meetings to support Kerry in spite of those critters. Oh, btw, they lost every local election.

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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 08:03 PM
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7. Good God - That is horrible!
This may be exactly the group that *should* get involved - one way or the other - in personal outreach to community members. The only way that one-word themes like God, guns, and gays are able to have power is because we don't have a strong multifaceted theme/purpose that guides our party.

:hi:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 07:32 PM
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29. Oh geez, that's pathetic. And Kerry could probably outshoot every one of them.
He loves the SPORT - and believes in LAWFUL gun ownership. People trying to twist it into one way or another is just a sign of ignorance.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 06:55 PM
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2. I'm going to check that out! Thanks!
It might be just what we need in our county party to fight against the guys running our county party into the ground.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 07:20 PM
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4. K&R Back later for more discussion!
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 07:42 PM
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5. Kick! (n/t)
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 08:25 PM
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8. I like it!
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 08:27 PM
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9. I can just imagine it...
a big tiger making fun of an elephant:
"You think you're tough m*thaf***er?

Look at that puddle you made when you saw that mouse!"
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 08:36 PM
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10. I think a donkey is a fairly noble animal, just as the (misused) elephant is.
But that Blue Tiger rawks!

:thumbsup:
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 08:45 PM
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11. I know...
it's a stronger image and it'd be fun to start a campaign to change the logo!

Someone needs to create a computer version of it in a vector format. In other words a logo.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 09:41 PM
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13. The logo has a TM by it at the Blue Tiger website --
And it will not let me copy the logo from their site - I tried!
http://www.bluetigerdems.com/

I was thinking about using it as part of my sig line, but it the site is set up well - it won't allow "borrowing"...

:(

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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 01:54 PM
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22. I mean a vector graphic image...
I like both of the ones I have seen, but a logo can't be complex. It has to have simple lines so that people can instantly recognize it.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 03:18 PM
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24. Rosesaylavee has copied the simplest of the graphics below...
Edited on Mon Dec-18-06 03:18 PM by IndyOp
Maybe you can take it and simplify? Blue Tiger Dems has a graphic artist associated with the group and they have a very nice Flash show on the front page.

:hi:
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:59 PM
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34. I've been trying...
it tasks me! But still I chase it!
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 08:46 PM
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12. I LIKES the Blue Tiger!
On so many levels...it's right for the Dems, methinks.

F'rinstance, as a symbol of environmental responsibility. Tiger populations aren't exactly off the upper end of the chart, ya know...:(
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 11:35 PM
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14. K&R
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 07:59 AM
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15. Never heard of Ring of Fire
can you supply a link? Very interested in $$ for the working poor as that is what I do for my day job... are these CDBG funds? Thanks!

AND, I like that tiger. The donkey's ok but I always wondered why, of all the animals the DEMs could have chosen, the donkey became our mascot. But its a new day - we need a new mascot. Let's switch!
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 10:15 AM
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18. Ring of Fire is Bobby Kennedy, Jr & Mike Papantonio's AAR show...
Edited on Mon Dec-18-06 10:18 AM by IndyOp
Here is the link to this (past) weekend's show: http://www.airamerica.com/ringoffire/node/123

The only way to listen to the show is through AAR Premium service:
http://www.airamerica.com/premium/

I did not hear everything that Bill Samuels said about helping connect people with programs that can help - it was only one quick comment. Here is one example from the Blue Tiger website:

Case Study - Michigan Utility Impact Education Project

Crystal J., a young single mother in Detroit, received a $1600 bill in May for heating her home last winter. Despite Crystal’s best efforts – which included making regular monthly payments – she had been unable to pay off more than $400 of the bill by the middle of summer.

Crystal received a flyer at her door describing Blue Tiger’s work on the Home Heating Tax Credit program. She decided to come to a town hall meeting where she found out that she was eligible for a credit toward her bill of $900. Crystal applied and received the credit.

When Blue Tiger organizers organized a town hall meeting with a State Senator from Detroit, Crystal made sure she attended and without being asked, she said that she would be willing to help tell other people about future programs we were working on.




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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 02:09 PM
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23. re: Ring of Fire
You can go right to their website: http://www.ringoffireradio.com/, and sign up to download ipod shows and listen to archived shows. Their latest show is usually available by Tuesday after the broadcast.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 07:29 PM
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28. Thanks for sharing this info - both of you. It's a real eye-opener for me.
.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 08:38 AM
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16. This is a GREAT IDEA!!!!
A new logo for a new Democratic Party.
I think this could really resonate amongst voters.It could help shed the image of Dems as wimps.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 09:01 AM
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17. Found a Blue Tiger image for you n/t
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 11:05 AM
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30. Rosesaylavee - check out my new signature line:
Edited on Tue Dec-19-06 11:06 AM by IndyOp
Thank You!! :applause:

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:43 PM
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31. VERY nice!
I like the blue tiger logo. I hope it catches on. The donkey didn't make sense to me - and now I know why!
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 10:22 AM
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19. Oooo, I like that. - n/t
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 12:27 PM
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20. Yes, this is good. How come I have never heard of this before?
Civic engagement and community service is a great way to really be the "party of the people". This is a great idea and it crosses all boundaries to help urban and rural people in every part of the country.

And I like big cats.

And they called Andrew Jackson a jackass before Thomas Nast was even born. Jackson proudly adopted it unofficially. Nast just so happened to have revived an old symbol for his cartoon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)#Symbols_and_name
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 01:02 PM
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21. I was wondering why I hadn't heard of it until yesterday, too...
Their website is copyright 2006 -- but I don't know when in 2006...

:shrug:

I am glad I've found them now so I can keep my eye on them and think about how this could manifest itself in my state.

:hi:

I checked the Wiki article you provided and was interested to note that the Democratic Party has never officially adopted the donkey as the party mascot.

Think TIGER ->
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 06:01 PM
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25. K&R&B
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jcg996 Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 06:20 PM
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26. Tigers vs. Elephants...
Is anyone worried that this could cause a rash of new Iron Bowls?

Good times for the Tigers (recently).

War Eagle!

:beer:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 06:23 PM
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27. Wow...I had NO IDEA. Thanks for the serious info. DON'T TREAD ON ME - indeed!
.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:52 PM
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32. great information, great idea, but here's the reality-based icon:


how is the Democratic Party leadership differentiating itself in substance from that of the RNC?

last month's mild exuberance is quickly fading into disappointment, to say the least
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:57 PM
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33. Thanks for the post IndyOp
I had no idea of the Tiger symbol's history and for the Democratic Party to adopt a Republican inspired symbol is truly ironic.

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