I'm really perplexed by Skinner and Earls lack of response to a question I asked

[LibraLiz1973]

I have to be honest with all of you- not only am I perplexed, I'm pretty annoyed.
I have tried for DAYS to get ahold of either one of them. First by PM (Sent one to each)
and then by email (Sent 2 to each). I've never gotten a response.

I wrote to them asking for permission to raise funds for 3 of our DU friends in need:
Wiley50, ShadowKnows69 and MrScorpio- you can read some of the background here in the original thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2890020&mesg_id=2890020

Not only did I not get permission to do the fundraiser, I was never given the courtesy of a response.

The thing that just breaks my heart is that whenever there is a fund drive here on DU, I give.
I think the last fund drive just a few weeks ago saw me giving $50. Anytime DU needs money, I'm there.
DU survives because of people like us who donate. Skinner and Earl are able to maintain this very site because
people care and donate.

Here we are just days before Christmas and it seems that Skinner and Earl aren't all that concerned with DU members in great need.
I've been deeply touched by all of you that have said I WANT TO DO SOMETHING!
I am appalled by the complete lack of humanity that both Skinner and Earl are showing for members of their own community.


I know that this missive will see me tombstoned... and I really don't care. I don't want to be a member of something that doesn't support it's own in times of need. The lack of even the most basic response just appalls me.

I know that many of you will rally around Skinner and Earl and say they had no choice... blah blah blah. Or say it was a legal issue. I refuse to believe that any reason given warranted both of them refusing to at least RESPOND.

I've been so frustrated by this I had to post something.

I wish all of you a happy and healthy Holiday season. Enjoy your families and stay warm.

Remember that there are others in need, and if you are allowed to give them help (and you have the means) I hope you do so.

All the best
Liz

ON EDIT:

To be fair... I don't think it's that they don't care so much as I think they don't want to be involved- even in the most unofficial way. (By agreeing to allow an inside DU fundraiser for the 3 men)

[HughMoran]

1. Appreciate your effort

Sorry to see you go this way....

[NVMojo]

2. good luck with this ...

[babylonsister]

3. Earl's been out of town:

I don't know about Skinner.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x251955

[I Have A Dream]

18. If Earl's been out of town, then that means that the other two are also...

doing his work. (Two people doing the work of three.) That probably explains the delay.

[TwilightZone]

4. As noted on the front page, it appears that Earl has been out of town.

n/t

[Scout1071]

5. Liz....

This is becoming an issue on many sites. How can we decide between DU'ers? How do we verify the need is true and not an Internet scam? I mean, were you here for the whole Andy saga?

Maybe we can have a charitable forum? Those that are interested or need help can check in there. But Skinner, Earl and the like can't investigate every plea.

Either way, probably not a good idea to keep creating threads that call out the Admins.....even if your heart is in the right place.

[LibraLiz1973]

9. Ok.. the Andy thing happened

because it was such a large sum of money and freep city went batty!!

These 3 men aren't asking for a fortune... and they've been members for a long time.

I can see where IN THE FUTURE it might be harder to "vet" who was for real.
But right now... I don't see that

And if I don't call them on what is happening, who will?
Wrong is wrong... and luckily (for now) I still have freedom of speech.

[seabeyond]

11. i know shy of a month ago skinner allowed a fund raiser for a posters

doing a fund raiser for his charitable drive. they do allow it. my guess is they havent gotten to the message yet.

[EstimatedProphet]

6. Maybe they're busy

I know Skinner literally gets thousands of PMs a day, because I've run into the same problem once myself.

[flvegan]

7. "Lack of humanity" shown??? WTF?

How may days? You DO realize that this is a big damn site, and there are 3 (THREE) admin, right?

Jesus...I run a charity and it takes me a day or two to get back to folks, and we're not nearly the size of DU.

Efforts appreciated for the DUers that you're looking to assist us in helping, but c'mon...

[LibraLiz1973]

10. I've been emailing and PMing since Monday night

Now just so you know... anytime I have actually emailed and Admin I've gotten a response within hours.

[karlrschneider]

14. Perhaps you should explain just what makes you so fucking special?

????????????????

[LibraLiz1973]

17. Your a lovely person

Go in peace.

[karlrschneider]

24. I'll go piss. Thanks.

:eyes:

[Canuckistanian]

29. Calm down, karlrschneider

I agree that not everyone should demand action from Pm's or emails.

She just wants an answer to her questions. It seems that others have been granted their wishes, why not her?

She deserves a response, be it affirmative or negative.

[karlrschneider]

43. There are a lot of questions I'd like answers to, as well. But I don't

bitch when I don't get them from someone who is doing ME a favor...which is a hell of a lot different from the government which fucking well WORKS FOR me.

[LibraLiz1973]

44. Wait... wait... who EXACTLY is doing ME a favor?

Please, enlighten me.

I PAY for the privilege of posting here. They would be doing me a favor if they did my grocery shopping or changed my oil

[Texasgal]

49. Have you ever been frustrated?

She is frustrated... My GOD! What is your deal? Why the vitrol?

[Texasgal]

30. Was that really necessary?

C'mon....

[SeattleGirl]

That was pretty harsh, karlrschneider

Liz is trying to do something for other DUers. She doesn't deserve such nastiness from you or anyone else.

[flvegan]

40. Okay, okay...hold on...

I'm not belittling what you've done or want to do. I do think that it's fantastic that you want to do something very, very kind for your fellow DUers. I'm betting that you've never met them, nor likely will. Truly, that is the spirit.

However, let's not go after folks here like this. To be honest, this whole thing violates DU rules. I think that past action dictates certain acceptances. Skinner, EarlG and Elad have allowed fundraisers here in the past. I don't think, not for one moment, that any of them seek to slight any one of us. No way.

If this is how we treat our admin (and believe me, I'm NOT their dream member) then we need a fundraiser to hire 2 or 3 folks to help them out.

[seabeyond]

8. during the last fund raiser i could NOT donate money. emailed to

ask why and what could be done. over a week later, well over a week later i got an email from skinner trying to help me, apologizing for taking os long. this was to his advantage emailing me and it took him time. my guess would be that he was busy, not putting me off.

sorry you werent addressed immediately, but i dont know what is up in their life and as i said, it took a while for him to get to me. so i will stick with not necessarily about them being uncaring. the least i could give the guys.

[LibraLiz1973]

13. I'm really hoping your right and it isn't for lack of caring

However, in another thread I started several days ago someone actually alerted on themselves so that a mod would read the thread and the response. THe mods do have their own boards to talk.. I'm curious if it ever came up

[karlrschneider]

12. There are millions of people in need. Don't forget that in your narrow quest.

...

[LibraLiz1973]

16. Just an FYI... my Quest isn't NARROW

I help PLENTY of people. And also for the record... I've already helped more than these 3 DUers here on DU in the last week.

I knew I would be attacked for choosing to bring the issue to the surface but really... a narrow quest?

[karlrschneider]

32. Pardon me. I hereby nominate you for DU Philosanthropist of 2006.

:toast:

[seabeyond]

41. what is your trip? you are looking foolish and beyond n/t

[karlrschneider]

50. Oh, I don't know...maybe I'm finding out that there are idiots in our own community.

Who'd thunk it?

[seabeyond]

52. i have been aware of it quite sometime. but your posts really

arent reflective of the op. they are really representitive of you. and it isnt so awfully flattering.

[Dorian Gray]

53. Why are you provoking a fight?

She posted her thoughts, and she did so in a frustrated way, but it wasn't flamebait. I understand why she's frustrated even though I think she should have more patience. There's no need to be so rude about it.

[LoZoccolo]

15. IBTL!!!!!!!!1111

[LibraLiz1973]

19. Ok.. I surrender. What does that mean??

lol

On Edit: Does it mean "I Bet THey Lock"

[LoZoccolo]

20. Here you go.

http://www.netlingo.com/lookup.cfm?term=IBTL

[seabeyond]

26. cute

[seabeyond]

22. curious myself

[Wonk]

25. LOL, great picture for ibtl.

IBTL

[LoZoccolo]

28. I like this one too.

[hlthe2b]

21. Don't jump to conclusions, Liz...

They might just both be out of town or inundated with spam or other life crises...

What you are trying to do is commendable and it does not seem typical of Skinner not to get back to you...Try to bear the frustration a bit longer...:shrug:

[LibraLiz1973]

23. I know I am very upset..

I just really feel like my hands are tied and I wanted so to help them all.


I've litearlly spent half of each night these last 5 days thinking about what I can do to help.
To have each one of my attempts blocked really irks. It makes me feel like there is nothing that will be done.

[karlrschneider]

27. Send them checks. Why do you need DU to validate your charitable bona fides?

????????????

[Texasgal]

34. Perhaps she wanted to see if others could help too?

Why are you jumping her ass? She is trying to raise money for fellow DU'ers.

[LibraLiz1973]

35. Clearly you don't care and you haven't read the previous threads

So why are you bothering to throw piss and vinegar around here?
I get it... you disagree with me and think I am a piece of shit who should shut her whiny stupid mouth.
Clearly my intentions aren't good and I am just a jerk

Go be peaceful. All the anger inside you isn't healthy.

[TwilightZone]

36. She wants to raise funds on DU. She'll need their permission to do so.

n/t

[karlrschneider]

39. Fine, so why the bitching because she can't get an endorsement in one fucking day?

:eyes:

[LibraLiz1973]

42. Do you read?? It's been alot longer than A DAY

I feel really sorry for you

Your a terribly angry person who seems to enjoy creating havoc for NO reason

[karlrschneider]

48. Havoc? Moi? You really have an inflated opinion of your own personage.

I feel sorry for you. Why don't you start your own goddamn message board and raise millions? WHAT IS STOPPING YOU??????????

[aquart]

51. My, my, my.

What, exactly, other than an alarmingly self-righteous ego massage, can be achieved by a thread insulting the people who run this board?

And pretty much everyone else who chooses not to be impressed by this tantrum?

[IndyOp]

54. KarlS - Alcohol. Drunken Rudeness. I don't know for sure. I'm just sayin'. (n/t)

[TwilightZone]

46. The indication was that she's been at this a few days.

Since Monday, per one of the responses.

[TwilightZone]

31. Calling the admins out publicly probably isn't going to help much.

Regarding your attempts being "blocked", lack of contact would not seem to equate to blocking your requests. As others have noted, one of the three admins has been out of town for at least the weekend, and there are only three admins for a site with nearly 100,000 registered users.

[brer cat]

33. Your heart's in the right place and I applaude you.

But you should recognize that Skinner and EarlG have almost 100,000 members here. Very hard to address each ones emails or problems.

[LibraLiz1973]

38. There really are probably only 1-2 thousand of us

who post daily.

Just saying....

[Bjornsdotter]

37. I think you've tried to

...do a wonderful thing.

Cheers :toast:

[Dorian Gray]

45. Is it possible that

they've been extraordinarily busy as the holiday season winds up? They may not have been able to pay as close attention to the site as they normally would like to.

[LibraLiz1973]

47. If I am completely wrong and they never read it

I accept that and I apologize

[The empressof all]

55. Locking

Please don't do this.