If "Impeaching * is off the table"...

[Ani Yun Wiya]

How are the criminals in this government to be brought to Justice ?

[Tom Joad]

1. And if we are sending MORE troops to Iraq... wtf did we bother with elections?

[San Diego]

2. Here are my thoughts on this.

I support Nancy Pelosi in her upcoming role as Speaker of the House. I also believe that she knows what she's doing by stating that impeachment is off the table. By putting that out there, people will hopefully see that the Democrats are going to be the party of responsibility, not the party of revenge-exacting liberals who only want to bring Bush down.

That being said, I wholeheartedly hope and pray that the investigations into this administration begin in earnest next month. Once the crimes, cronyism and graft of this administration's policies and actions have been brought to light, the nation as a whole will be screaming for impeachment.

If you go into power stating that you're going after Bush, all of your investigations will be suspect. But if you go into power stating that you're working towards the nation as a whole, and numerous impeachable offenses come to light based on your bi-partisan investigations, then impeaching Bush will be the only logical response.


At least that's my 2 cents.

Cheers.

[walldude]

3. Is it Revenge or Justice?

Impeachable offenses are already in the light. I do agree that marching in and stating that you want Bush's ass on a platter isn't a good plan, but to ignore everything they have done isn't the best strategy either. Let's hope that investigations get under way on day one.

Welcome to DU :toast:

[omega minimo]

4. Anyone who thinks that is uninformed, unaware or unconcerned about the reality of the situation

"Democrats are going to be the party of responsibility, not the party of revenge-exacting liberals who only want to bring Bush down."

Equating justice with "revenge-exacting liberals" is a misleading and dangerous meme. Why would anyone want to put it out there?

"But if you go into power stating that you're working towards the nation as a whole, and numerous impeachable offenses come to light based on your bi-partisan investigations, then impeaching Bush will be the only logical response."

The question is why pretend that impeachable offenses have not already "come to light" and say impeachment is "off the table"?

Suggest reading the Lewis Lapham piece.

[San Diego]

6. Why would anyone want to put it out there?

Do you think that if Pelosi came out and said that we're going after his monkeyness that Rush, Hannity, Coulter and the rest of the flying monkeys of the right wouldn't state something very similar to that?

You are correct. Impeachable offenses have already come to light. But investigations need to be undertaken in order to get them properly documented in order to get public support for impeachment. To fail to get the public's support behind impeaching Bush will make any effort to bring him to justice would mean Democratic party losses in 2008.

I'm just saying that this is a road that needs to be travelled down, but as a party, the Dems need to tread lightly and carry a big stick.

[omega minimo]

12. Repeating the strategery and the false non-choice b/w inquiry and impeachment

What I asked was why anyone would want to do this: "Equating justice with "revenge-exacting liberals" is a misleading and dangerous meme."

She didn't need to say "we're going after his monkeyness."

She didn't need to say "off the table."

[tularetom]

5. Well it has sort of a wink wink nudge nudge quality to it

to state that you're just doing investigations to determine if there have been any laws broken when you know fuckin-a well there have been multiple exapmles of lawbreaking seems to me to be code for "we're gonna impeach them assholes and you and we know it but we can't come right out and say it cause the media will jump right in the middle of our poo poo."

[rock]

7. I believe you're correct

The investigations may lead to such an up-swell from the people that impeachment will be indicated. But it has to come from the poeple with legitimate reasons.

[Ani Yun Wiya]

10. To clarify this a bit.

I was wondering what other courses of action exist besides "impeachment".
Was not really wanting to have the same "investigate vs. impeachment" debate.

Are there other paths that lead to Justice ?

[Lowell]

8. Impeach hell

lets tar and feather them. I think that after the investigations begin we will see a groundswell of sentiment to get the bastards out of office. Then Pelosi can gracefully back down.

[Rosemary2205]

9. Agreed

one thing at a time...........

[leftofthedial]

11. they are all on the same side

and it isn't ours

[alfredo]

13. Impeachment will not put him in prison where he belongs.

Use the investigations to build a case for war crime charges.

Impeachment and removal is just firing him. That's all. He's a rich man he will never have to work another day in his life. So he gets removed from office, whoopie shit. It means nothing. Anyway there are enough republicans to block his removal. No matter what he does to our country, no matter how strong the evidence, they will never vote for removal. Mitch McConnell would make sure the rest will be scared shitless to vote for removal.

If we can't remove him, impeachment would be meaningless. Investigate and not withhold evidence when the Hague comes calling.