I have a deep, gut feeling that Bush is going to be impeached..

[BlueStorm]

and/or resign.

This isn't wishful thinking nor is it meant to be something flammatory.

I just wanted to say something that has been on my mind all day and have this need to share it.

I have had this feeling even before the 2004 elections, it has been with me for a long time and I have never told anyone about it and I was afraid to post it here on DU.

I do believe that there are going to be investigations and what they are going to reveal are going to be something that are beyond the scope of our imaginations, even what we already see now and what we have speculated here on DU. That the pile of shit is so deep that we can't or won't be able to wrap our minds around it. Truly I believe that it is going to be of historic proportions.

The events that have been recently happening, Rumsfeld resigning, more abuse reports of detainees, the even more grim news coming out of Iraq etc. etc. It all seems to be escalating to something. Something that is so big that it would make Watergate and Nixon seem like a walk in the park.

I don't know if any of you on DU feel the same way. I mean these feelings have been very strong. I even told my mother during the 2004 elections that Bush is going to end up getting impeached and/or resign. My mom doesn't believe me as she says that "no President has gotten impeached before so why would they now?"

Maybe I will be right, maybe I will be wrong. So who knows.

And why do I feel like I've posted this before?!

Blue

[jgraz]

1. (/atheism) From your mouth to God's ears (atheism)

[LiberalEsto]

2. From your lips

to the Goddess's ears

[PaDem]

3. Personally I don't think there is anyway that Bush will be impeached

And I highly doubt he'll resign. A Dem push to impeach Bush would be very unwise.

[buff2]

20. Why?

He's committed so many crimes and has spit on the constitution and the Bill of rights......he has blatantly done the opposite of what a President is supposed to do....are you saying that he is too good to be impeached for all the WRONG he has done and that the Dems don't have the right to DEMAND impeachment? I wish bu$h would get a BJ...that would be JUST CAUSE for impeachment!! :sarcasm:

[PaDem]

29. I'm saying it would be politically stupid..........

not saying that getting a BJ is worse than what Bush has done, and I'm not saying that he hasn't committed impeachable offenses.

[Raine]

32. I agree

and the Democrats would pay for it for elections to come. "Tit for tat" then they would try and impeach the next Democratic president, on and on it would go.

[PaDem]

39. agreed, and I think it would cost us the White House in '08

there is a reason the Repubs want the Dems to pursue impeachment.

[bobbolink]

62. Country trumps party.

Remember The Constitution!

[barb162]

67. Yeah it would be politically unwise

It's more important to rescind legislation Bush has put in and try to straighten out his messes of the last 6 years.

[Why Syzygy]

69. Kudos

and correcto. Fix what little lord flaunly roid has broken. Get back on topic. I agree.

[TahitiNut]

33. Well, let's hear it for feet of clay! Let's sprinkle holy water on the pasta-spined!

:applause: Yum! Al Dente! :applause:


:sarcasm:

[Patchuli]

56. You got that right!

We have an absolute moral obligation as American patriots to our Constitution to pursue impeachment against an official behaving in a criminal manner. That other thinking and projection of what 'others will think' is just nuckin' futs.

[Why Syzygy]

70. No one is going to IMPEACH!

What happened to Sharon's trial at the World Court? He dropped off the radar.

We have to pray them out of existance. Athiest beware. There is a balance. There is law and order. It gets very dirty sometimes, but it is there. Work with it.

[Patchuli]

91. No one thought Nixon would be impeached either

yet when they began the proceedings, it made it easier for us.

Betcha we will...or he will resign.

[barb162]

72. It's not feet of clay. Losing in 2008 and appearing vengeful

( or whatever you want to call it) gets the country back with the Republicans in power. People want to see a Congress act, not do impeachments.

[Patchuli]

90. Didn't work that way when they tried to impeach Clinton

They ended up in power (fair or not) so I don't think that argument holds any water. We need to stop * before he kills more and destroys more. It IS our obligation to remove him.

[truedelphi]

42. On an August night in 1974 I bowed out of the monthly

Watch Dick-The Crook on TV and party to it(Loyola University ara, Chicago)

Couldn't handle one more evening wasted throwing popcorn at the TV
screen while friends with better wits than me cracked hilarious jokes.

I felt sad that the only thing left of my democracy was my friends' sense ofhumor. Took a walk on the Lake Shore.

Suddenly a Yell, loud and thorough, resonated through the canyons of Chi-Town apartments. It was as though Chi-town's baseball teams (The CUbs? The Sox? BOTH OF THEM??) had just clinched the World Series.

A thrill went through me - and I realized I'd missed History.

The Crook was resigning!

NEVER GIVE UP!

[Ani Yun Wiya]

66. I have a better idea than impeaching *.

Impeaching the head criminal is one thing, a small thing.
How about that new Dem majority working to make the Republican Party illegal ?

After all without all those asshats to support the assahat-in-chief where would he be ?

[diamidue]

86. Impeachment means nothing, I guess.

If you can impeach a president for lying about an affair, but not for lying a country into war, then the whole system is broken and meaningless.

[villager]

4. I've been wondering if Bush will go publicly insane

or rather, insane to a degree where even the apologists can't cover for it anymore, and will have to be removed from office...

[Homer Wells]

48. I've been watching * lately,

and I notice that he seems very depressed.

Just listen to his voice, and observe the petulant, almost resigned expression on his face.

Wouldn't be surprised to hear that he is talking to the portraits in the White house late at night.

Not to mention excess drinking.:popcorn:

[Usrename]

58. Yup, even before he was sworn in we knew he was too weak.

If he gets too nuts I think the handlers will arrange a tragic bicycling while pretzel-eating accident for him. Much sympathy to be gained.

[Why Syzygy]

5. Thank you!

It is a tipping point. There is no way they can get away with this dastard deeds.
Think of Hitler. Yes, he had grave injustices. But what was his end? He had an ending.

Yes, I too believe that the tipping point will come for the current rulers in theif.
Five of Swords. Rock on.

[badgerpup]

59. For some reason, I don't see him finishing out his term.

I don't know how to explain it, but the 'balance' is tipped way too far to allow him to do so. Think avalanche. One too many pebbles will start the whole shebang moving, and there's a LOT of rocks here ready to...well, ROCK.

Whether it's by impeachment, resignation, or removal by intervention, or something else,
I just don't see Bush finishing out this term.
It doesn't 'feel' (smell? sound?) like it. :shrug:

So much for objectivity. :P

[bobbolink]

64. I'm not into astrology, but astrologists predicted in 2000 that he would NOT

finish out his presidency.

You may be on to something.

Will be interesting....

[Why Syzygy]

68. The tipping point

was a book written about 5-6 years ago. Former rm got it. Boring reading, but I got the gist.

I believe Bush will finish his term and get in the helicopter and take off for parts unknown.
Wish I could predict differntly.

I was feeling my oats with the former post.

We have two more years of torture. THEN the tipping point will balance.

If it doesn't, then Katy get the door.

[Newsjock]

6. "Something that is so big"

Maybe It Has One Possibility.

(oops, I'm not allowed to say that! bad me.)

[stevedeshazer]

19. Yes

Methinks It's His Only Plan

[Recursion]

54. *cough*

Lately, I Have Overtly Pondered such a notion, or one similar.

[Vincardog]

7. I believe every member of the evil cabal should be impeached and thus

inoculate our government from another infection by these crazy zealots.
I do not believe the Idiot bush will ever leave by his own volition.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

8. I suspect you are correct, but it will be the GOP doing it out of

fear that America will not forget just how sycophantic (psycho-frantic?) they have been for 6 years. The public will take it out the only way they can - on the GOoPers themselves.

[tridim]

9. Put me down for $100 to "resign"

He's going to lose it after January, the Dems are going to destroy his little fantasy world.

[Why Syzygy]

73. Sweet . fantasy .. baby needs a new pair of shoes!

IOW, bring it on home. I'm a gambler. Want on your action.

[brettdale]

10. Bush*t will never resigned

He will try to do anything tohang on to power and he wont be impeached, any democrat who tries this will be eaten alive by the media.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

11. I've had a feeling

that the truth will come out--and that there will be repercussions that go far beyond our own country. So I'd say your intuition is tapping into the same feeling my intuition is tapping into.

[Road Scholar]

12. I think he'll resign to avoid prosecution. The investigations will

reveal criminal activity of epic proportions.:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :popcorn:

[conscious evolution]

22. Yes they will

Dems in Congress are sitting on mountains of evidence.
Didn't Levin say he is going to hold two or three hearings aday?That is a lot of info that is going to be presented to the public and that is only one committee.Multiply that by how many committees that we will be in control of?
However many it is it spells disaster for bushco.

[Why Syzygy]

76. mmmmmmm!

Sweet aroma of justice. They took the towers down. And have done NOTHING, but make a show and take attack on an independent nation.

If Justice reigns, let it begin now. And so it is. (this or something better for all involved).

[Warpy]

23. Plus they'll isolate him as crony after crony gets picked off

thrown out of office, sent to prison.

Democrats also might balk at funding any of his lunacy, but that's a huge "might," given their jellyfish nature of late.

All we can really count on are investigations. While Stupid is in office, he'll make sure none of the hideously anti-American stuff he signed into law will be overturned. A man who didn't cast a single veto for nearly six years will do nothing else for the last two.

[Bjornsdotter]

13. I hope so n/t

[BlueStorm]

14. There also is the feeling that the govt. after 2008 or so

is going to be more um... progressive? I think that we are going to have a more "We The People" stance than we have in the past few decades. More like what our Founding Fathers intended. Perhaps our government will be more senatorial. I can't explain it, it's weird. I have had this kind of thing popping in my head for the past few months.

Maybe Sylvia Browne will know.

Blue

[midnight]

15. I will have to vote this up because it is so beautiful.

Thanks for sharing.

[Sperk]

16. I'm still thinking he's gonna go out like James Baker (the preacher)

in a fetal position under his desk. He's not man enough to handle impeachment.

[bluerum]

17. Personally I am hoping for federal maximum security prison. nt

[Botany]

18. You are right

Come January when Sen. Rockefeller releases the pre-war Iraq intel and the
NSA spying "stuff" it is going to be all over for *. Cheney is toast because
of all the over-billing by Halliburton.

I know a republican nationally known political scientist @ a major university
who thinks that bush's failure to follow the I.S.G. report will cook his goose
because that report was written to give him cover to change his mind and
he blew it.

[conscious evolution]

27. Not just overbilling

Cheney is implicated in Bribery during his tenure at Halliburton.Bribery is one of two crimes specificly listed as impeachable offences in the US Constitution.

[Botany]

30. That $200 million in Nigeria for oil & gas?

The off shore "mail box companies" so they could keep doing biz
w/ Iran?

The insider deals as V.P. to get Halliburton into Iraq?

The KBR billing for 30,000 meals while dishing out 8,000?

KBR's 45% of all billing going to overhead?

[conscious evolution]

37. exactly

Probable more.
I can see a RICO statute charges in his future.If continous,ongoing criminal activities are taking place that makes it a Racketeering Influenced Criminal Organization.
They will be exposed as the gangsters they truly are.

[Recursion]

55. Well, he was implicated in *giving* bribes, wasn't he?

I don't think the sense of that passage is about giving bribes but about receiving them. Giving bribes is 3/4 of diplomacy, after all.

[Why Syzygy]

77. I'm getting excited now ..

but you remember Iran/Contra? Reagan did not lose office. He went all bonkers later, which was his just due. What came of that whole scenario was that Chuck Colson started a prison ministry. It has it's good points? But the evangelism is a sticking point for me.

In fact, we are dealing with the same band of looters now! They recycled.

NOTHING happened. Swept under the rug. How apropos that * did a gig with a rug.

[nadinbrzezinski]

82. Small correction

Reagan was the first president to tell the truth when he said he did not recall. His Alzhemiers was on the early stages by the end of the first term, if you know anything abuot it.

You could see early signs of it by the sixth year, and after that the handlers kept him prety much out of the picture and you can bet senior was running the show

As to the it was swept under the rug, it should not... but that is another story

Oh and I do not wish alzheimers on anybody... it is a horrible way to go

[Why Syzygy]

84. Senior who?

I felt bad about wishing Alzheimers on anyone. I really don't. My beloved grandmother is out of her mind. She's almost 99.

My point, I hope, was that we are dealing with the same band of robbers that Reagan spawned. IOW, they recycled. They are baaaaak.

Even though I have comfort for the suffering, what of those who push suffering? Is that okay?

Who is 'senior'? I missed that part.

[nadinbrzezinski]

85. Another small corection

this band of robbers did not come from the Reagan administration, but truly started with Nixon, Rummy the Dummy, under secretary of defense in the Nixon admin for example

As to senior, that was George Bush Senior, he ran the show best case scneario for the last four years, worst case scneario, for almost 12 years

[conscious evolution]

88. It all being swept under a rug

is a real risk.
This time,however,I don't think that is the case.I think that the citizens of this country have had enough of bushco and will not stand for a surge in broom sales.
Especially with the blogosphere screaming to the high heavens about the crimes committed in our name.

[cadmium]

21. Sometimes I get the same feeling. The Bushies are better at

stonewallng than Nixon but they are also more flagrant. I wonder if he can get away with another prolonged (re: pre-Katrina) vacation. He is getting frayed and even sounding a bit more impaired than usual. He could get impeached but then not convicted in the Senate. I dont think he will go gently like Nixon.

[Raine]

24. I don't

and he won't resign either. I see him twisting in the wind for the next two years.

[Road Scholar]

25. I think when the shit does hit the fan, even some repukes are gonna

be mad as hell.All the dems have to do then is sit back and let the law and human nature take it's course.

[Lugnut]

60. That's my gut feeling

I think it will take action by those from his own party to take him down. So far they all seem to have a very high tolerance for the putrid stench of the Decider's policies. I cling to the belief that even they have their limits.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

26. He's not doing himself any favors now, that's for sure

When my local newspaper is printing bush bashing toons, you know his stance in the eyes of Americans has changed.

I share your feelings on this. It's like watching a horrific accident taking place before your eyes that just keeps getting worse. Then there's the fact that most Americans don't yet have a real clue the depth of his deceptions, but without the buffer of Congress he's been used to protecting him, they could damn well find out soon. Anything is possible after that.

[Cleita]

28. I have had thoughts of him being removed from the White House

on a guerney. Since his face is not covered, he's alive. However, these thoughts have been really persistent for almost a year now. I think he's going to suffer a major mental breakdown and they will have to remove him to a hospital for his own safety.

[Sadie5]

31. You are right about Bush

I think he will have to be taken out kicking and screaming, but he will resign after all of the hearings start. He will use the worn excuse of needing more time with the twins and Laura. The Bush family will leave the WH in disgrace

[Botany]

35. H.W. bush knows it is coming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1ceoZHTv1w&mode=related&search=

he was not crying over Jeb here.

[bobbolink]

65. That would be worth living to see.

As I said upthread, in 2000 astrologists, and I think some psychics, predicted he would not finish out his presidency.

Will be an interesting show.

I really would like to see your ending. :)

[Why Syzygy]

78. You must be thinking of

911 when he scampered off to who knows where. It is pretty evident that he is a master at hiding out.

[BlueStorm]

34. Like I said this is something that I have felt

for a long time. I even knew when Bush was first "elected" that we were in for a long haul. I remember Poppy and I sure as hell knew his son was going to do the same, if not, worse shit that he did.

Blue

[Jacobin]

36. You think that's an odd thought...listen to mine

I think the republicans are going to end up pushing him out because they are the ones with the most to lose in 2008. Iraq is going to become more and more of a nightmare that can't be hidden behind cute phrases, the deaths and maiming of our troops is going to spiral up, other M.E. countries are going to get more directly involved and of course we have Condi and Bush to deal with it, which of course means its going to get putrid, godawful, horrid bad.

So, don't feel alone. I think you are right.

[Why Syzygy]

79. My humble prayer

Bring them Home.

[Generic Brad]

38. If Cheney or Gonzales resigns -- it's on

My gut tells me that one of these two leaving will be the catalyst that gets the impeachment dominoes falling.

[tiptoe]

44. Fitz legal actions could be the impetus for either or both departing.

[madokie]

40. the wheels are coming off the wagon and lets hope it is lil g'orges wagon

not ours, but yes I agree.

[BlueStorm]

41. It's all part of some sort of cosmic catalystic change...

Yes something big is going to happen.

I personally hope that Bush gets held accountable for the shit that he has done. We have had enough of him and quite frankly it's not just liberals that are sick of him either. I have heard Republicans here in Grand Rapids saying that he's a crook. So if conservatives here in my town are saying that, then of course the Doofus in Chief is in alot of trouble.

Oh please come Jan. 4th, I want Pelosi and the Dems now!!!

Blue

[Fridays Child]

43. Do your gut feelings have a history of panning out?

:)

[BlueStorm]

45. Sometimes, not always...

That's why I said I could be right, but I also could be wrong. Let's hope it's the former.

Psychic abilities do tend to run in my family. My mom is very much a psychic. She has her thoughts on what will happen to Bush that I can't mention on DU but I can tell you it doesn't involve impeachment. I on the other have strong feeling of legal actions being held against him and his administrations. I felt that way before and during the 2004 elections. And now that certain scandals have turned up against the administration, the fact that Iraq is now in a civil war and we are pretty much trapped there, and more detainee abuses popping up are proving to me that I am thinking on the right track.

I wouldn't be surprised if more members of his Cabinet start retiring. Maybe Condi?

Blue

[Fridays Child]

63. Well, I hope you're right!

[Why Syzygy]

80. V. nice logo! n/t

[left is right]

46. I really don't think he will resign or be impeached.

But I don't believe he will fulfill his term in office. I think the corporatists that make up the shadow government will arrange a little loan gunman reception for him. Some aging dirty hippie with 3 names will be blamed. Impeachment will take them out of power for at least 10-12 years, but assassination will make a hero our of him and keep them in power.

[BlueStorm]

49. That is pretty much how my mom feels as well n/t

[Why Syzygy]

81. If you are dealing with

the top gang, nothing is impossible.

[longship]

47. Remember 20 Oct 1973?

That's the day when the entire United States of America went through a state change on impeaching Richard M. Nixon.

That's what it took to get the ball started in 1973.

Here are John Chancellor's exact words as he reported this in an NBC Special Report:

JOHN CHANCELLOR, NBC News: Good evening. The country tonight is in the midst of what may be the most serious Constitutional crisis in its history. The President has fired the special Watergate prosecutor, Archibald Cox. Because of the President's action, the attorney general has resigned. Elliott Richardson has quit, saying he cannot carry out Mr. Nixon's instructions. Richardson's deputy, William Ruckelshaus, has been fired.

Ruckelshaus refused, in a moment of Constitutional drama, to obey a presidential order to fire the special Watergate prosecutor. And half an hour after the special Watergate prosecutor had been fired, agents of the FBI, acting at the direction of the White House, sealed off the offices of the special prosecutor, the offices of the attorney general and the offices of the deputy attorney general.

All of this adds up to a totally unprecedented situation, a grave and profound crisis in which the President has set himself against his own attorney general and the Department of Justice.

Nothing like this has ever happened before.

More than 50,000 telegrams poured in on Capitol Hill today, so many, Western Union was swamped. Most of them demanded impeaching Mr. Nixon.

...

In my career as a correspondent, I never thought I'd be reporting these things.

And so it went. Nine days later, the Time Magazine cover featured, "The Push to Impeach". A little over nine months later, Nixon was gone.

If you are right, and Bush gets impeached, I shudder to consider what kind of constitutional crisis it will take to move the current brain-dead electorate to send 50,000 telegrams to Congress in one evening. I suspect that such transgressions have already occurred and that it may only require their revelation to trigger the people to turn the corner. But I am very worried that it might take a particularly grievious new transgression to accomplish it.

[left is right]

52. About this telegram thing

Do you think that they must all come in the same time frame or can we start now and have them accumulate?

Edited to add:
If you all feel that it would be beneficial for them to all arrive during the same time frame, will one of you please let me know when I should send mine?

[longship]

53. That's a tough question.

I suspect the former. 50,000 telegrams within a period of time are nothing compared to 50,000 in one night, followed by millions more in subsequent nights. That's what happened at the end of 1973.

This is what is important. Impeachment will never happen until this kind of support from the people happens. The Nixon impeachment process is the exemplar of how to do this because it is the only case where impeachment worked. This, in spite of the fact that Nixon was never actually impeached. He didn't have to be because the investigations were done with great deference to following a deliberative process and doing it right. Comparing Nixon to Clinton is like comparing it to a Looney Toons version of impeachment.

This is precisely why I worry that those trumpeting impeachment now haven't really studied this thing very carefully. It's why I think a Bush impeachment will not likely happen. It's why I think if it does happen, it may not work, or if it works, it'll be because we're in very, very deep shit.

One cannot mindlessly rip impeachment out of its historic context by claiming all sorts of ridiculous things like, "it's congress's constitutional obligation to impeach." History and the people of the United States have a somewhat different view of it. What we saw in 1998 was a congress who thought that they had a constitutional duty. We all know how that ended.

People need to think about these things.

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. Impeachemt is both a political act

and an organic act

The reason why many are going IMPEACH NOW is becuse they know what has been done

Yet it will not happen umtil the congress officially knows what has gone down

I also suspect that after the crap is uncovered it will be hard to avoid it, mostly because we will demand it.

I asked on the 12th of last month that Congress do its job, investigate and impeach if need be... even sent a copy of the US contituion to both my congress critter and Pelosi, but I fully understand WHY it is "off the table" right now.

[longship]

75. Good show, Nadin

That's what we all have to do. But our efforts are just a trickle. We really have to get things rolling if impeachment is to be back on the table. I like John Dean's latest article which argues going after the ChimpCo underlings. That's doable and just might bring down the entire mess.

[Homer Wells]

50. Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the Dems are doing the wise thing

Going in to power with no plan for impeachment.

After the new Congress goes into session next month, the investigations will commence, and so much will come out that both the Dems and the moderate Republiks will begin calling for Impeachment proceedings. Perhaps even the more radical Neocons will join the fray, to try to distance themselves with the criminal acts, mostly out of a sense of self-preservation.

If this occurs, it will be difficult to make the charge "tit-for-tat" stick to the Dems come 2008.
:popcorn:

[Poiuyt]

51. I think the Clinton impeachment has given Bush a free pass to do anything

It's almost as if the Democrats think that it's unconstitutional to impeach two presidents in a row. Clinton's impeachment was a travesty, but now that an impeachment is truly deserved, and the members of Congress are too afraid to bring up the subject. They're more concerned about their political power.

Note - This could change if investigations show enough of Bush's crimes that the public starts demanding it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. Your mom is wrong

two presidents have been impeached, Harry Harrison and Clinton. NONE have been convicted

But I am just quibling here with facts

As to your feelings, if the investigations go forth, it is going to be demanded

[bigmonkey]

61. Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton

There is no President Harry Harrison. He wasn't a bad science fiction author, though.

[nadinbrzezinski]

71. thanks for the corection

and I know why I was thinking of Harry Harrison, I gave a kid "we raised" some sci fi books today, and I considered some of his

[nadinbrzezinski]

83. You know I usually don't speal much of this

but I have the distinct feeling since 2001, before 9.11 that der chimperor is not finishing his term.

There are variant ways for him to leave the WH, but in the end he does not finish it. Been having recurring dreams\ nightmares since 2001 about this

[Disturbed]

87. Every Pres, except Reagon, that was elected in a year

ending in 00 has died in office. Yeah, busholini was not elected but selected. We shall see if we are still alive.

[Blue_In_AK]

96. You and me both, Nadin...

see my post below.

[mmonk]

89. The fact we can't even get all democrats to impeach the most

impeachable president in the history of the United States makes me wonder if it can ever happen. Not enough politicians love this country enough to push proceedings. I'm still trying to find out why.

[WI_DEM]

92. I have a deep, gut feeling that he won't.

though impeachment is more of a possibility than his actually being convicted and removed from office by the Senate.

[deaniac21]

93. Feelings, wo-o-o feelings,

Wo-o-o, feelings again in my arms.
Feelings...

[Nightjock]

94. I talked with my congressman this morning

he said as soon as the new year starts they will get rid of Diebold and investigate EVERYTHING.

And than he smiled the BIGGEST SMILE!

[Blue_In_AK]

95. I have thought for six years that he wouldn't make it through

two terms, although my sense was that he'd be out sometime in 2006. I guess I was wrong on that, but maybe next year. I can't stand the bastard - he's GOT TO GO.