Righteous Outrage At Cost Of Rescuing Constitution Under Blizzard Of Snowjobs

[omega minimo]

The outrage over the cost of rescuing some lost climbers and the outrage over the outrage is really something.

Can we possibly muster similar outrage for the state of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the integrity and future of the nation--
also lost (for now), in a blizzard of hi-tech snow jobs blown into American homes daily via the Megamedia,
buried and frozen and possibly salvageable, with who knows how much frostbite,
Amendments 1-10 snapping off like blackened toes.............
Maybe you can walk without them, but it sure will affect your balance.

The Guide turned out to be a Misguider;
Habeus Corpus is "off the table," the candle burns down low, very low,
the last drink from the flask of Freedom, the faint hope that someone will break through the frozen crust in time.............

American people, sure in their Rights, their Freedoms, drift in and out of consciousness,
listen to the whistling of the ill wind blowing,
the baying of the wolves at the door,
the screams of war faint in the background....
some sure that their Rights and their Freedoms include the responsibility to pay attention to the Map, to the path ahead and the road back--
some sure that those Rights and Freedoms will just pop up when needed, whenever,
even though they were thoughtlessly dropped in the drifts of megamediated snowjobs along the way ...............

Frozen, frozen, drifting, gasping, dreaming, America needs a rescue team.

[omega minimo]

1. Good morning, All. What shall we be outraged about today?

:grouphug:

[bryant69]

2. I'm still pissed that they cancelled Smith so quickly

I'm also pissed that the President Bush can sign signing statements saying he's not going to obey the law and get away with us.

And i lost my keys this morning and it took 45 minutes to find it.

And the United States GOvernment have argued that even if they did torture Padilla into insanity, his insanity proves that we can trust his testimony on being tortured.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[omega minimo]

3. Another day in Bubbleland!

:hi:

Yesterday they installed Gates :evilfrown:

"And the United States GOvernment have argued that even if they did torture Padilla into insanity, his insanity proves that we can trust his testimony on being tortured."

THAT'S CRAZY!!!

[bryant69]

4. But accurate - look at the recent Salon article

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/12/18/tennessee_terrorist/

"In a Miami courtroom on Monday morning, defense lawyers for Jose Padilla, the American citizen accused of conspiring with al-Qaida, will argue what could be a landmark motion. Padilla's defense attorneys are asking the presiding judge to dismiss the case on the grounds of "outrageous government conduct." The abuse Padilla has endured while in custody, they contend, has so scarred him that he can no longer even discuss the case against him. They believe he has been rendered incompetent to stand trial.

The logic of the federal government's response to the defense motion was stunningly cold. The U.S. Attorney's office agrees that Padilla needs his competency evaluated. We didn't torture him, argue the representatives of the U.S. government, but if we did, and it made him crazy -- well, then, no claims he makes about said torture can be trusted. He is, after all, mentally incompetent."

Bryant

[omega minimo]

5. "stunningly cold" in a Big Brother kind of way

Thanks for the eyeopener this morning, Bryant69. I'd say losing your keys is up there on the priority/reality check list...

... and snarking about (paying for) saving lives in emergency rescues seems trivial-- has this Top Story bone been thrown out by the Megamedia to give people something to fight about instead of focusing on something vital? Another Natalee Holloway divisive distraction to keep morans entertained and liberal bloggers busy in circular firing squads?

[puebloknot]

27. K&R Right up there with that old tale about the guy...

...who murdered his parents, then threw himself on the mercy of the court because he was an orphan!

Tales to scramble the brain! THey keep us busily off balance and self-doubting so we can't organize in a meaningful way.

[omega minimo]

30. That's funny

"THey keep us busily off balance and self-doubting so we can't organize in a meaningful way."

Was just thinking about that-- what would it look like, what mechanism would that be, to "organize in a meaningful way"?

Oh yeah-- that's what the GOVERNMENT is supposed to be :eyes:

[treestar]

6. The last election helped

True, if only the MSM would see the problem and the crisis.

[omega minimo]

8. They're bought and paid for, aren't they?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

7. Obviously, On DU, There Is Already No Shortage Of Outrage On Such Things.

In fact, you will find more thoughtful and passionate discussion of those topics on DU than on any other site on all the web. Just look around.

It's just that many of us have the capability of being able to forge opinions on other topics as well; not just those that you mentioned. But there is no shortage of outrage on DU for those topics that you mentioned. In reality, outrage at those things you mention are the very heart of what drives DU so I'm a bit surprised to find your implication that such discussion or outrage isn't taking place adequately.

[omega minimo]

9. "...possibly muster similar outrage for the state of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights.."

"Can we possibly muster similar outrage for the state of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the integrity and future of the nation--"

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

10. Obviously, On DU, There Is Already No Shortage Of Outrage On Such Things.

In fact, you will find more thoughtful and passionate discussion of those topics on DU than on any other site on all the web. Just look around.

It's just that many of us have the capability of being able to forge opinions on other topics as well; not just those that you mentioned. But there is no shortage of outrage on DU for those topics that you mentioned. In reality, outrage at those things you mention are the very heart of what drives DU so I'm a bit surprised to find your implication that such discussion or outrage isn't taking place adequately.

[omega minimo]

11. The focus on the Mt. Hood story is a distraction

[mondo joe]

12. Life is a distraction.

Fortunately, we evolved minds capable of maintining interest in a whole range of things.

At least most of us did.

[omega minimo]

13. If outrage over Constitutional crimes rivaled the latest "Natalee Hollaway" dust up

there wouldn't be as many arguments against impeachment. :hi:

[mondo joe]

14. Sorry - I didn't realize there were no threads on DU expressing outrage

over constitutional crimes.

(In other words, how the hell have you missed them for all these years?)

[omega minimo]

17. "Rivaled" joe "Rivaled"

and you forgot the :sarcasm: :evilgrin:

[mondo joe]

18. Your reasoning is in error.

The number of threads does not = the degree of outrage.

Nor does the number of posts.

Furthermore, the degree of outrage does not = support for impeachment.

One can be fully outraged and still have a different strategic interest.

[omega minimo]

19. Valuing strategery over Constitutional integrity is a grave error

[mondo joe]

20. The two are not mutually exclusive. Your conclusion remains in error.

Outrage does not necessarily result in impeachment as the only expression.

[omega minimo]

21. Your Constitution remains in crisis

[mondo joe]

22. I'm well aware of the state of the Constitution. Do I need to post yet another

thread saying so?

[omega minimo]

23. yes, please

[omega minimo]

32. ?

[Gabi Hayes]

15. thanks for that. once again, the media, unfortunately abetted by the

spineless Democratic Party, are responsible for the widespread indifference to the demise of the constitution

meanwhile, you can toast the loss of liberty every time you have a cup of coffee or tea!

my sister sent me this for Christmas:

[thingfisher]

24. I guess it's pointless to comment on the craven nature

of our capitalist system - that it still can manage to make a buck off our loss of "freedom"?
Okay, I get the joke, but it is bad gallows humor. At least we have some hope that our losses will be rectified by the next congress - I hope.

[omega minimo]

26. Not at all pointless...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2951232

[thingfisher]

28. Thanks for the link omega m.

Always nice to see a fellow Zappa fan. Yes, I would have voted for him!
Can't help but wonder what wonderful stuff he would have been doing had he lived to see this nation fall so low! I'm sure it would have made the last 6 years a lot more entertaining.
The concerns he addressed in his music even in the earliest albums have assumed a prophetic quality in the light of history. I really miss him.

[omega minimo]

29. "his music even in the earliest albums have assumed a prophetic quality in the light of history."

"The concerns he addressed in his music even in the earliest albums have assumed a prophetic quality in the light of history. I really miss him."


And we're missing that spirit of smart fun that was in a lot of music back when...

Frank rocks. Saw him live once. Amazing.

(Although he and Moon Unit will have to answer for inflicting the Valley Girl Voice on the whole planet. Fer sure fer sure.) :evilgrin:

[autorank]

16. One way to look at * is that his role is to force us to awake, but that's - K&R

wrong. This is an appropriate analogy.

Most people don't understand the Bill of Rights although everyone would
agree if given the proper information. Maybe there's something that
all citizens of the USA ingest which cause us to forget really important
information. Constitution, Bill of Rights, the Civil War. Or maybe it
is the anti intellectual attitude that our schools have toward their
students, allowing them to be taught half truths and lies. No wonder we
don't remember, the story never makes sense the way its told.

This is a good framework but it's also accurate. Where is the sense of
urgency...well it's within the people but the DC droids are not responding.
Something has to give there. They don't need to lead, but they do need
to pay attention to the will of the people and follow it.


"the screams of war faint in the background.... " but the will get louder
right about the time Congressional investigations and over-sigh appears.
These are not only dangerous times, they're weird but we've all had enough.
We are no longer amused. Time to rescue the values for which we strive and
get the "public servants" to be just that.

Excellent post, nice poetry to...a bonus!

[omega minimo]

31. "ingesting" the "half truths and lies" leads to that disconnect, doesn't it?

Great post, important points. Thanks autorank.




"Most people don't understand the Bill of Rights although everyone would agree if given the proper information."





"Maybe there's something that all citizens of the USA ingest which cause us to forget really important information....or maybe it is the anti intellectual attitude that our schools have toward their students, allowing them to be taught half truths and lies."




"Where is the sense of urgency...well it's within the people but the DC droids are not responding. Something has to give there. They don't need to lead, but they do need to pay attention to the will of the people and follow it."




"Time to rescue the values for which we strive and get the "public servants" to be just that."




The lack of information is the key there.

[Supersedeas]

25. that might require Nancy Grace to actually think before contorting her face