Time for our party members to stop appearing on FAUX and MSNBC

[DainBramaged]

Even early morning shows. They have become unfriendly and only use the moment to berate or distort the message we try to get out. Time and again, FAUX uses interview opportunities to belittle us. Durbin was on Neil Cavuto yesterday (I was in the post office and it was on, but that's a story for another day). Across the screen as he spoke was "are Democrats becoming the party of NO?". What scumbags. We basically boycott Tweety now, and NO ONE should go on Hannity on the radio or TV.

It's time our leadership stays off of unfriendly networks and shows. Let those networks say what they think about us but eventually they will get the message that isolation makes them look biased. Get off Hannity Charlie Rangle. Stay off Imus Congressman Ford. All of you need to ignore these fools who use you to their advantage.

Edit for emphasis

[emulatorloo]

1. MSNBC coverage of SOTU was about 90% negative

and they gave Gov Dean and other Dems plenty of time to say what they wanted

So who knows.

[MADem]

6. Well, that is because Tweety got the memo from Rove, silly! n/t

[emulatorloo]

9. the Memo that said trash Bush's ill conceived policies?

Sorry, don't follow you. . .

[MADem]

14. The MSNBC show, hosted by Tweety, was an exercise in asskissing

That smile on the Monkey's face was because Tweety was tickling him....

[emulatorloo]

27. not what I saw - tweety - why Bush only interested in tyrannies with OIL?

Tweety - Bush says he wants to go after tyrannies. Lots of tyrannies out there -- Bush only interested in tyrannies with oil though. What's up with that?

Bowtie Bow - bush bringing democracy is ill conceived; seems to think democracy in and of itself is a goal and that is just dumb -- Hamas was democratically elected, etc etc

And that's not even covering Shrum saying that Iraq is the defining failure for Bush admin, now the question is how many more Iraqis and Americans have to die for Bush's mistakes.

[MADem]

30. I only watched the preshow, and it was covered with candy kisses

I switched to CSPAN for the SOTU, because the camera angles were better....and didn't have the stomach to switch back.

[blm]

11. Tweety called Murtha one of the "radical voices" of the Dems last night.

He listed the radicals as Cindy Sheehan, Michael Moore and Jack Murtha, and claimed that the moderates don't get a chance to speak for the left.

HUH????

Murtha has long been a conservative Dem - a moderate. Does proposing a withdrawal plan for Iraq turn you into a radical voice in Tweety's world?

Cindy Sheehan BECAME more radicalized after the needless death of her son. No mention of that from Matthews.

Michael Moore has a long record of speaking out for the working class - the working class is full of radicals in Tweety's world.

I guess rich white guys who invade other nations for their profiteering oil cronies is a rational group to Tweety.

[MADem]

16. Gee, most folks I know tend to agree with those radicals!

And the Murtha remark had to be Tweety's apogee of stupidity....Mr. Peace Corps, dissing a career Marine!!

Tweety knows if he doesn't toe the GOP line, his brother might not get any traction in his bid to be the LTGOV of PA....and his wife, Kathleen, who works at a SINCLAIR station, might lose her anchor job....

Play ball, Tweety, or else!

[spunky]

2. The 2nd option is unfair and misleading. If they don't show up to

Faux and MSNBC, then those who watch those channels will never hear an opposing view, and that's not good for anyone.

If they are any good at interviews, they will find a way to get the message across no matter how difficult the interviewer makes it.

[w8liftinglady]

4. I agree...as a matter of fact-they need MORE exposure

[DainBramaged]

10. Make your own poll then, too few watch to bother anyway

[spunky]

12. I'm just pointing out that there are other reasons for not wanting them

to boycott Fox of MSNBC besides not caring. No need for snide comments.

What's the point of a poll if its worded such that only one option is given a fair description? Just so you can get the results you want to get.

[Loge23]

3. Boycott them (eom)

[MADem]

5. None of the above--we just need to BARNEY FRANK their asses

Barney Frank is the BEST person I have ever seen in his prosecution of TV debate techniques. His gems include "Pardon me for speaking while you were interrupting me" and "You asked me the question, now let me answer, if you don't, I'll leave--there's no point in staying."

He gets them to shut up, he shames his opponents, and he gets his points across. He is an absolute GENIUS at it...he ought to hold a seminar for the entire caucus.

[0007]

25. Barney is good at his techniques for sure and many could learn

from him.

[NanceGreggs]

7. Been saying this for a while ...

Dems should refuse invitations to go on any TV or radio shows that only invite them to be ridiculed, interrupted, talked over.

Let 'them' draw whatever conclusions they like -- they draw those conclusions about us anyway.

When asked (and they WILL BE ASKED) why they don't appear on these shows, the response should be virtually the same from all Dems: "I'm more than happy to guest on shows that offer true discussion and intelligent debate about polticial positions. Unfortunately, there are no longer any such shows on the air."

Imagine Bill O'Reilly's ratings when he can no longer offer his audience an hour of bashing someone on the other side? That's what his audience tunes in to see.

No bashing of a Dem? No interupting a Dem when they're trying to speak? No ridiculing a Dem on national television? Guess what? NO AUDIENCE!

[BillZBubb]

13. I've got to disagree on your main point

Limpballs never has a liberal "guest" but people still listen to his sorry ass rants against libruls. Believe me, those guys would have no problems making shit up by taking videotaped statements out of context, paraphrasing, or outright lying.

But, I also agree Democrats shouldn't waste time and energy appearing on any of these shows. They are made to look weak time after time.

[DainBramaged]

18. And do any of us listen to Limpballs? I surely don't.

What it comes down to is simple. If the ONLY media outlets we have to appear on are biased against us, who are we getting a message out to? Why let the opposition control the message and the medium? Tweety has his panel of Reich-wingers from MSNBC all the time, and I just wish that fossil who speaks for crickets and wants to bomb everyone would just leave. The ONLY bright spot left on Cable news is Olbermann, period.


Why does our leadership bother?

[NanceGreggs]

21. Yes, but Limpballs has always had a one-man format ...

... whereas the O'Reillys of the world base their entire show on having someone to bash. THAT is what their audiences tune in to see.

There will always be right-wingers who can capture and maintain an audience with a monologue of left-bashing. But NOT ALL OF THEM can pull it off; ergo, many of their shows would lose their followers if they could no longer offer a scream-fest between themselves and some hapless Dem.

[janx]

8. It's not necessarily where and when people like Dean

show up; it's how the specific venue is handled. Frankly, I think Dems have gained a lot of improvement in this area lately and have no doubt that they will continue to improve.

Media policy should be in effect if it isn't already; I suspect it is.

But for food-fight venues like Hannity et al., forget it. There's no need to go there.

[givemebackmycountry]

15. I disagree

We just need to get the RIGHT kind of Democrats on these stupid, shows.

Please NO MORE:

Donna Brazille.
Bob Shrum.
David Gergen. (even if he is an equal opportunity whore)
Begalia and Carville.
Dee Dee Myers.
Sharpton.
Rangle.
And a host of others.

I want someone representing us that is adept at taking three or four powerful sentences, and using them like a pairing knife. A freaking surgeon.

I want the host thinking, man I better be careful...I could get hurt.

I'm so fucking mad, I'm ready to start dragging people with "W" stickers out of their SUV's and beating the shit out of them at a red light.

I want my leaders to be equally upset.

[spunky]

17. Amen. What good is it to hide? eom.

[jaysunb]

19. Whew !!

I'm so fucking mad, I'm ready to start dragging people with "W" stickers out of their SUV's and beating the shit out of them at a red light.


I was beginning to think it was just me, being, a little too angry. :evilgrin:

[DainBramaged]

20. Who gets to choose who is right and who isn't?

Reid? Mr. "I don't think a filabluster is gonna work" Reid? We have no leadership, none, zip, zero. Why does the second team feel it's necessary to speak for us on these shows?

Either our minority picks ONE spokesperson and stays on message or we stop participating. I don't think there's any option here.

[AZBlue]

22. My response: MORE Dems on Faux News

I couldn't vote in the poll because that wasn't an option, but to boycott FAUX or any right-wing show and avoid all appearances on them is just a bad plan. If they host is going to be abusive and disagreeable and not let you get a word in, then yes, you'd obviously avoid that show whether they were liberal, conservative, male, female, purple or turquoise. I'm not advocating going on a show to look bad - that's counterproductive.

But, if there's no Dem response, no Dem point of view what-so-ever on these shows, you've given up on a majority of the country, you've given them possibly no chance of ever hearing our point of view, you've basically lost. Lots of people get their news from one source, if any at all, and don't channel surf or look to different media outlets for differing views. You're going to let them get it all from Faux with no alternative information coming in at all?? To me that's insane.

[DainBramaged]

23. Tell us where we can get our viewpoint across?

What show> What venue? What part of the MSM gives us voice now?


Some one in the DNC needs to stop the fractioning of our voice and focus on one spokesperson for all venues. Keep Joe Biden off of every show. Get NoMoJoe out of the media. They USE us to get THEIR point across.

[spunky]

24. So all democrats now have to have the exact same position on every

issue, so that one person can speak for us all?


Doesn't sound like a party I'd be interested in being part of. I have this funny thing about thinking for myself, and liking leaders who do the same.

[DainBramaged]

29. So we lose more votes like the cloture vote on Scalito??

When the day comes that the party unites around one message, one theme maybe we can beat the Republicants. Until then maybe anyone who disagrees should remain registered as Independicants too?

[spunky]

31. Wow. Just wow. *goose steps* eom.

[DainBramaged]

33. As you wish you can feel. We'll just keep losing to them.

If you aren't prepared to fight these goons on their turf using their rules, move on and do something else.

[spunky]

34. And to fight them on their turf, wouldn't we have to do interviews on ALL

news channels, especially theirs?

[Rhiannon12866]

26. We need MORE representation on all the news shows, not fewer.

The public needs to hear both sides of each and every important issue, but, unfortunately, Democrats are rarely invited to express their views.:-(

[LaPera]

28. STAY OFF RIGHT-WING CNN AS WELL!!!!

All of these cable bullshit "news' shows have three or four republicans, always, against a single Dem...

[Cobalt Violet]

32. But the DLC will still go on and make us all look stupid. n/t