"O Come All Ye Black Folk" still raises anger. Editor maintains it was "satire"

[Bluebear]

:mad: (Sorry, this is the first time I have read this 'parody' and I am seething.)

O Come All Ye Black Folk
Boisterous yet desirable
O come ye, O come ye to our University.
Come and we will admit you,
Born in to oppression,
O come, let us accept them,
O come, let us accept them,
O come let us accept them,
Fifty-two black freshmen.

O Sing, gospel choirs,
We will accept your children,
No matter what your grades are, F's, D's or G's
Give them privileged status; We will welcome all.
O come, let us accept them,
O come, let us accept them,
O come, let us accept them,
Fifty-two black freshmen.

All come! Blacks, we need you,
Born into the ghetto.
O Jesus! We need you now to fill our racial quotas.
Descendents of Africa with brown skin arriving:
O come, let us accept them,
O come, let us accept them,
O come, let us accept them,
Fifty-two black freshmen.



Ms. Hoover

There is still anger about a racially charged poem that appeared in a student-run magazine at Tufts University. Saturday, students staged a rally, to call attention to racism on campus.

Last week, the "Primary Source" published a parody of a Christmas carol called "Come All Ye Black Folk." The editor, Allison Hoover, said the carol was supposed to be a "tongue-in-cheek" attack on affirmative action.

Written from the point of view of a Tufts admissions officer, the carol has lines like "boisterous yet desirable" and "no matter what your grades are F's, D's or G's give them privileged status".

"This senate does not have the luxury of remaining silent on matters that degrade any members of this campus because of their background, racial and otherwise," said Mitchell Robinson, the student senate president.

http://cbs4boston.com/local/local_story_350194818.html
http://blogs.suntimes.com/mitchell/2006/12/when_satire_goes_too_far_1.html

[Kikosexy2]

1. She looks ...

supremely white or is she a white supremacist?

[Bluebear]

2. Does this not make the Baby Jesus cry?

Or is that honor reserved for liberals?

[Bake]

6. It's so-called liberals who smoke, who make the Baby Jesus cry!

How many times do we have to tell you?????

Bake

[JacksonWest]

24. Smoke while driving SUVs to wal-mart to buy booze made in China.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. Satire of what?

Racist college republicans?

[yardwork]

4. Their excuses are unbelievable

"Many people interpret this carol as having crossed the line from making fun of a harmful institution to making fun of the black race. This was not my intention," said Allison Hoover, the magazine's editor in chief.

[Bluebear]

5. Unbelievable. That was EXACTLY her intent.

If it wasn't, she needs to get HER rear end out of Tufts, as she hasn't the brains to attend there.

[JacksonWest]

27. It implies that all black students are byproducts of an unjust affirmative action program.

So, if all the black students at the University are indeed e,f, or g students, then this is certainly good satire. However, as it stands, I'd be pissed if I was a black student at the school/or a decent person. The song is satire-of a song. It's also a racist satire. Satire can be racist. Maybe they'll teach that next semester. There are plenty of ways you can attack affirmative action without singling out one minority group and making broad,negative implications against them.

[TechBear_Seattle]

8. The problem is

That the white, rich kids who wrote this have no comprehension at all what it is like to be discriminated against. Or worse: they were raised with this kind of "racisim all in good fun" and it is beyond their understanding why no one else sees the humor.

[Fridays Child]

15. If so, maybe they need to leave college and get a real education.

[Der Blaue Engel]

7. What a nasty looking human being

Her parents must be so proud.

[yellowcanine]

9. If student activity funds go to publishing that paper, it is time to pull the plug - or

get a new editor. Students have the right not to have their funds used to publish racist parodies.

[JacksonWest]

31. Funds are handed out over a semester or a year.

The paper isn't going to disappear over night. The only control they could have over firing the editor is either vested in the University by-laws or a suspension of funds until she steps down. Which is tantamount to censorship and stifling the press-which I wouldn't support. It's college. Lets some numb skull editor make a bad decision. The reaction is far more interesting and educational then the action. I'm curious if she'll stay on or recuse herself. It was a bad decision on her part-regardless of how she feels about affirmative action. I think it's important for people to distinguish and realize that you can be wrong even if your cause is noble. Nobody ever makes mistakes anymore-it just comes down to what side they''re on and not backing down.

She made a mistake. I'm curious if the righties on the campus will acknowledge it.

[yellowcanine]

36. I disagree. Saying "we can't censor racist literature" when some of the

support for the paper comes from the victims themselves is just wrong. NPR or public TV should not be permitted to air a racist poem either. Freedom of speech means I am free to publish a racist poem but it doesn't mean the victim has to pay for it. No way no how. That is wrong.

[JacksonWest]

41. I don't support censorship.

I also find racist articles like the "satire" entertaining and encourage all right wing idiots to publish their thoughts. It makes winning elections easier and easier. I understand and respect your view point.

Do me a favor though, just for a moment. Laugh at racism like this. Don't let it anger you. It's really just ridiculous. And when they defend it, it becomes even funnier. This is a classic example of why right wing types oppose affirmative action. They honestly believe that all black students at a college are F students from the ghetto who don't deserve to be there. Instead of getting mad at them, we should ask them to expound on their thoughts.

[yellowcanine]

45. I am laughing but I would not be if my student activity dollars had paid for it.

THAT is the point. If they want to be racist, let them do it on their own dime. Then I can laugh my ass off twice - once for their stupidity, and once for the fact that they are paying for it.

[JacksonWest]

47. Touche

[nam78_two]

10. WTF

I read this story earlier but hadn't seen the text of the song-I assumed it was crass and dumb but this is worse even than I thought it would be.

:wtf:

"Boisterous yet desirable", "Born into the ghetto"....

These people are really repulsive.
I agree with you about seething...:grr: :grr:

[Bluebear]

12. 'Descendents of Africa with brown skin arriving'

Oh, my word. :mad:

[nam78_two]

19. Awwww and she writes for the Washington Times...

SO talented!

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060801-105233-8979r.htm


400 conservative students meet
By Alison Hoover
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
August 2, 2006


More than 400 conservative college students from across the country have gathered in Washington for a week of speeches, seminars and strategy.
The National Conservative Student Conference offers a chance to "hear a different point of view than on campus," said Taylor Stanford, a senior at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Young America's Foundation (YAF) is sponsoring the event at George Washington University.
The conference aims to "help these students learn more about the conservative movement," said Patrick Coyle, director of campus programs at YAF.
Featuring a slate of more than 30 conservative heavyweights such as former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and columnist Michelle Malkin, the conference exposes students to a range of speakers representing various aspects of conservatism, and they don't all agree on every issue, Mr. Coyle said.



If there is a group worse than the College Republicans its the YAF. They used to write borderline racist crap all over my old college campus in chalk at night. No wonder that they have ties to the John Birch Society.

[kwassa]

37. Michelle Malkin? Conservative "heavyweight"? Tee hee.

She is flyweight for a nutjob.

[kwassa]

38. Michelle Malkin? Conservative "heavyweight"? Tee hee.

She is flyweight for a nutjob.

[Fridays Child]

11. Making fun of a HARMFUL institution?

Affirmative action is harmful, says Miss Allison. Hmm... Wanna bet that she's also a member of the College Republicans?

[Bluebear]

16. 'junior Allison Hoover, is a member of the Tufts Republicans.'

http://www.tuftsobserver.org/news/20061027/conservatives_on_campus.html

Bingo.

[Fridays Child]

17. It looks like I nailed that one, huh?

Not that it was rocket science. :P

[valerief]

22. Ah, well, there you have it! Born to hate. nt

[deutsey]

50. Otherwise, her "satire" would probably seek to comfort the afflicted

and afflict the comfortable.

[wicket]

13. I googled Ms. Hoover

She did an internship at the Washington (Moonie) Times. Boy, is she getting her moneys worth for her education :sarcasm:

[Judi Lynn]

14. I'm glad she doesn't find heart-stopping, doughy, sullen ugliness worthy of the same

"tongue-in-cheek" treatment.

These right-wingers appear to have very little to live for, if their life's work has focused upon trying to make life harder for others who are different from them.

[devilgrrl]

51. They serve no purpose other than maintaining power...

they stand for nothing except making everyone's lives miserable.

[Corgigal]

18. I couldn't get accepted into Tufts

Tried years ago. Some how they accepted this twit. Might be sharper then me book wise, but still dumb as a rock.

[regnaD kciN]

28. Or had more family money than you did...

Might be sharper then me book wise, but still dumb as a rock.

Sad to say, but the tradition of giving favoritism to "legacies" (i.e. children of alumni), particularly those whose parents are able to fund construction of that new science building, is still quite ingrained at most of the "prestige" colleges in the northeast.

As I have mentioned before, I attended a "prep" boarding school. Never were the class distinctions more evident than on April 15th, when college acceptance letters arrived, and we found out that moneyed students who could have practically invented the term "slacker" had been accepted to the big-name universities like Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, while those who had actually shown some degree of academic performance but whose family had not founded one of the major northeast cities got nothing but the dreaded thin envelopes.

Besides, isn't Tufts the only school in the country with an elephant as its mascot? (And a circus elephant at that -- the one and only Jumbo, whose stuffed remains were displayed at Tufts until the building housing them burned down in the mid-'70s. :eyes: )

[WernhamHogg]

20. What does it say about this college

What does it say about the admissions process of this particular college if the white students who attend that school do not even understand what satire is. Simply saying something is "satire" does NOT automatically make it satire.

[valerief]

23. She must be a privileged child. nt

[Judi Lynn]

25. Ordinarily, you'd expect it to include intelligence and a bit of wit.

Apparently that's too much to expect from people like this.

I would imagine, based on all the right-wingers I've seen and known, hatred does block deeper, more important levels of intelligence and creativity. They don't seem to function when hatred and spite are in charge of the would-be writer.

[Bluebear]

55. They don't do satire or comedy well.

They are too hopping mad about something all the time to be funny or subtle.

[valerief]

21. Where's her white hood? nt

[Red Zelda]

26. Ah, Allison

how nice Tufts lets fat girls in now.

[Chomp]

29. So a bunch of idiotic students are now basically KKKers?

Holy shit, some of you people are so puritanical it's unbeliveble.

I remember student magazines in university ALWAYS publishing offensive, crude and occasionally libelous text and pictures. These magazines were usually run by a ragtag bunch of sometimes smart, sometimes dumb sudents who were always trying to stir up trouble and/or debate and/or controversy and/or sales. Plus ca change.

But according to this latest explosion of DU outrage, it seems that young people need to be fully-formed not only in their sense of humour but also in their political views come the age of 18 or 19 or they are borderline KKK.

Wow. Tough crowd.

(Although I do readily conceed that the line about "No matter what your grades are, F's, D's or G's
Give them privileged status..." is pretty goddam offensive, and it would be easier for me to make my contrarian argument if that line weren't in there. And given I also conceed that the controversy could make black students feel uncomfortable - at very best - I guess my point in this post is more about general princples.).

[Bluebear]

30. "Holy shit, some of you people are so puritanical it's unbeliveble."

I don't even know where to start.

[nini]

33. wow tough guy

"And given I also conceed that the controversy could make black students feel uncomfortable" -- well Hello????!!!?!?!?! How about they feel pissed off?

:eyes:

[Dora]

35. Wow. You effectively argued yourself down! THANKS!

Saved us puritanicals some work.

[Judi Lynn]

39. Race baiting is NEVER acceptable. There are no conditions which

excuse it.

Don't point your grubby finger at the human part of the human race and claim the healthy part is out of line.

[yellowcanine]

40. Uh - "puritanical" has to do with sex. This is racism. Big difference.

It is one thing to publish crude offensive sophomoric material. That is par for the course with student newspapers. But when a piece crosses the line into racism, sexism, homophobia - whatever - the writers and editors need to be held accountable. There is no constitutional right to be a racist, sexist, or homophobic boor on someone else's dime.

[nam78_two]

43. I take it you would never criticize race-baiting

unless it is actually accompanied by the act of dragging someone to their death behind a truck :eyes:

They may not be KKKers but this is repulsive regardless.

[Crunchy Frog]

48. Oh, boo fucking hoo.

Poor little spoiled rich brats, actually having people judge them on the basis of their behavior. Cry me a fucking river.:nopity:

[Bluebear]

54. Perfect reply. nt

[nini]

32. WTF??

I guess re-writing this a bit is ok too.

O Come All Ye ugly white Folk
Boisterous yet undesirable
O come ye, O come ye to our University.
Come and we will admit you,
Born in to ignorance,
O come, let us accept them,
O come, let us accept them,
O come let us accept them,
Fifty-two honky freshmen.

O Sing, gospel choirs,
We will accept your children,
No matter what your grades are, F's, D's or G's
Give them privileged status; We will welcome all.
O come, let us accept them,
O come, let us accept them,
O come, let us accept them,
Fifty-two honky freshmen.

All come! Honkys, we need you,
Born into the master race.
O Jesus! We need you now to fill our racial quotas.
Descendents of Germany with pale skin arriving:
O come, let us accept them,
O come, let us accept them,
O come, let us accept them,
Fifty-two honky freshmen.


What the hell do these people think? :puke:


edited to remove a comment on her looks, which is beside the point of her being ugly on the inside.

[treestar]

34. Like Ann Coulter, this is the sort of thing that must be ignored

So that it will go away.

[Crunchy Frog]

42. She needs to spend some time broadening her horizons...

In Iraq.

[devilgrrl]

44. Is that the same "harmful institution" that brought us Colin Powell and Condi Rice?

How about Clarence Thomas?

What is disgusting piece of filth! :nuke:

[walldude]

46. I read something interesting yesterday about the number of students

The "song" whines about the 52 black students recieving Affirmative Action grants. That's 52 incoming freshman out of 1286 total. OMG They are taking over!! A 5% black student population!! We're doomed!
What a bunch of assholes.

Oh and one more thing, ignoring this won't make it go away. I keep seeing posts on DU about how we should be ignoring things like this and the likes of Coulter, Malkin, Limbaugh and O'Reilly, sorry but ignoring these things won't make them go away. I've said it before and I'll say it again, you want to get rid of Vampires, you have to drag them out into the light.

[deutsey]

49. Last time I saw a mouth like that it had a hook in it.

:evilgrin:

RIP Rodney Dangerfield...

[Brewman_Jax]

52. Notice how these pasty republicans hate the idea

of "those people" different from them being in the same vicinity, be it work, college, neighborhood, etc. But, why is it they don't seem to mind that "those people" are taking up arms to "defend their freedoms" while those same pasty republicans sit on their hypocritical asses and complain of how that huge 5% is taking over. :eyes:

[dorkulon]

53. It's satire all right...

Unfunny, racist satire.