Little Chance in Hell of Ever Understanding People Who Eat Rabbits Alive - IRAQ

[NoodleyAppendage]

This is just f'ed up. I think the cultural divide is a chiasm given this newstidbit.

Iraqi soldiers eat frogs, rabbit at handover ceremony

[MrCoffee]

1. that's beyond f'd up.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

2. WTF? signs of courage?

Sick, sick, SICK!

[noahmijo]

3. Oh praise! I feel soooo much better knowing that Iraq's safety will now be in the hands of these

brave men.


Mission Accomplished!!!

:sarcasm:

[NoodleyAppendage]

7. EXACTLY. Why not a poisonous snake or large spiny insect?

How brave is it to kill something defenseless...

J

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. New season of Fear Factor?

:shrug:

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[derby378]

6. I hit a rabbit on the way home on Thanksgiving

I couldn't help it - he dashed right in front of our car. I hit the brakes and horn at the same time, but he just froze there.

He died instantly. My wife was so good to him; she took his little body off the road and placed it where predators could eat him in safety.

Needless to say, that broke my heart. That was the first time I ran over an animal that I know of, but I had a couple of close calls before that.

These people, however - I just do not understand the savagery.

[karlrschneider]

8. They really should be cooked first.

...

[Botany]

12. Do you know how many parasites and diseases live in rabbits?

I hope they all get a nice case of Campylobacter and shit their brains out.

[karlrschneider]

18. Probably no more than the normal cow. I have eaten rabbits for 62 years

and other than the occasional intense yearning for a carrot haven't noticed any adverse hop hop effects hop hop

[Botany]

19. I have enjoyed bunny too.

But raw rabbit? :puke:

I really think Americans should eat more rabbit.
Good low fat protein and not near as intensive to raise
as beef or hogs.

[karlrschneider]

30. Oddly, many Americans have an aversion to it which seems inexplicable...

Native Americans have no problem, nor do Hispanics...and Europeans have eaten the fuzzy rodent for centuries. Maybe it's the "awww-cute" factor, but many of the same people think nothing of grinding up a big cow for burgers. But yeah, the 'raw' thing is a bit gross although I'm sure I'd prefer that to starving. ;-)

[Xithras]

40. It's the "aww cute" factor.

I grew up eating fresh rabbit meat that my grandfather raised on his property. Back then, rabbits were seen as livestock. At some point in the last few decades, the western view of the rabbit shifted from livestock to pet, and people now look on eating them the same way we'd look on someone eating a cat, dog, or hamster.

A few years back I was in an expensive restaraunt in Sacramento when I noticed a rabbit dish on the menu. Since I hadn't eaten rabbit in years, I decided to give it a try. My wife, who I love incredibly and would walk through fire for, stared at me like I was some kind of sick monster. I tried to explain it to her, but she absolutely could not reconcile her childhood images of her pet bunny with the concept of rabbits as a food source. In the end, I had the duck.

Personally, I blame Bugs Bunny.

[karlrschneider]

43. So you ate Donald....or Daffy.

:D

[Richard D]

51. Thumper . . .

... need I say more?

[HeeBGBz]

60. They served rabbit in the mess hall when I was in the army

I didn't like it much.

[Lurking Dem]

37. I have an amazing recipe

from a bistro in France where it is cooked with this dijon sauce.

I think bunnies are both cute AND tasty. :9

[Botany]

47. I like my bunny roasted over a fire with a nice sauce.

Although i no longer slaughter those little cottontails
once or twice a year I know a good market where I can
get rabbit all dressed for the grill.

[Lurking Dem]

50. Yum

A personal favorite is to marinate it over night in red wine, garlic, a little salt and throw it on a mesquite wood fire. Make a reduction out of the wine and that's some good stuff.

I like getting boneless rabbit - easier for me to deal with.

[Botany]

52. I like a Barb B Que sauce w/ an orange glaze in it.

put it over the fire and turn it every 15 minutes with a 1/4 turn per time.

low fire ..... takes about 1 hour = 1 bottle of merlot

a little salt and garlic in the cavity.



Farm raised = no shotgun pellets

[Lurking Dem]

54. So marinate yourself while

the rabbit cooks? Am I the only one old enough to remember The Galloping Gourmet before he sobered up? Lord, he was a funny drunk in the kitchen.

Anyway that sounds really good!

[Botany]

56. I saw him as a kid

He did show me how to dice an onion right and how to make a rue.

BTW I am going to get some bunny in the AM.

give me your Dijon bunny dish

[Lurking Dem]

63. PM'd to you

It's a little involved but not too bad.

[karlrschneider]

62. Yeah...do you remember the "Frugal Gourmet"?

Jeff Smith...I still have a cookbook I bought from his TV show aeons ago. :D

[Lurking Dem]

64. Yeah but he didn't drink on the air.

GG was funny - although he was an alcoholic so we were laughing at his expense.

But he would go to measure wine and then turn the whole bottle over the pot, or measure out a cup of wine, put it in, and then drink from the bottle.

By the end of every show he was so soused he could hardly talk.

[NoodleyAppendage]

24. Campylobacter: Wikipedia info

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campylobacter">Campylobacter

Infection with a Campylobacter species is one of the most common causes of human bacterial gastroenteritis.<3> In the United States, 15 out of every 100,000 people are diagnosed with campylobacteriosis every year, and with many cases going unreported, up to 0.5% of the general population may unknowingly harbor Campylobacter in their gut annually. Diarrhea, cramps, abdominal pain, and fever develop within 2–5 days of pathogenic Campylobacter infection, and in most people, the illness lasts for 7–10 days. Infection can sometimes be fatal, and some (less than 1 in 1000 cases) individuals develop Guillain-Barré syndrome, in which the nerves that join the spinal cord and brain to the rest of the body are damaged, sometimes permanently...

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Sounds like a fitting punishment for their culinary "bravery."

J

[mondo joe]

38. Campy Lobster sounds sort of yummy, up until you read that.

[BlueStorm]

48. Or rabbit tapeworm, or trichnosis...

Damn, there is a reason we cook food.

BLue

[Ezlivin]

9. And the USA is escalating the war with the introduction of this:

[MrCoffee]

10. i'll see your escalation and raise you...

the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch

[NoodleyAppendage]

11. Sharp, pointy teeth...

Photoshop is a wonderous thing.

J

[jilln]

13. Do you honestly think cows, pigs, chickens, ducks etc. are treated any better?

They're not eaten alive, but they are beaten and thrown into boiling water and other things.

And how many frat parties involve swallowing live goldfish?

It's sick, but it's certainly not limited to Iraq!!!

[Snot Hannity]

14. As barbaric as it may be

do we have the right to call them barbaric, after having killed over half a million of them ourselves, for no reason?

[MrCoffee]

15. yes.

just as we can refer to the chimp as barbaric.

[NoodleyAppendage]

22. Are we slitting open the Iraqis and eating their hearts while still alive??

No. No comparison.

J

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. You're right.

Shooting a human being is utterly inargubaly worse than eating a raw rabbit.

No comparison.

[Posteritatis]

76. I haven't killed a single one of them, myself. (n/t)

[Rex]

16. So he slit open a rabbit and ate the heart then tossed it to his mates?

Wow. Sounds incredibly stupid. Did he floss later? :eyes:

[stillcool]

17. What was really fucked up...

was Fallujah! The Chinese have long been assaulted for their eating habits. I myself used to eat raw clams, raw fish...that was before the waters got so polluted. Our 'high' standards of food preparation and production are thank God ...not universal. Who are these people, that are so quick to pitch a bitch about anything that's unfamiliar to them?

[NoodleyAppendage]

20. Eating an animal's heart while it is still alive is barbaric...not culturally unique.

I have no problems with people eating animals, but when you are slitting open a live animal and chewing on its beating heart for a "manly" ceremony...I think that's nothing but barbarism. If they were to shoot the rabbit, then eat it that's fine. It's the eating while alive that I think is inexcusable.

J

[stillcool]

27. what do you know about their culture...

...what their eating preferences are, or the traditions that those eating habits are part of?

[NoodleyAppendage]

29. I know that they will never move out of the 3rd world doing that sh*t.

Just because someone engages in a behavior that is culturally bound does NOT make that behavior acceptable.

If a society says that it is acceptable to kill and eat a baby, would you say that this is o.k. because it is ingrained in their culture?

J

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

32. "They"

Do you think this has anything to do with Iraqi society? Do you think people in the US don't do the same thing?

"If a society says that it is acceptable to kill and eat a baby, would you say that this is o.k. because it is ingrained in their culture?"

Only if they shoot the baby first. Then eat it.

:eyes:

[AlienGirl]

33. There are plenty of "first-worlders" who do this kind of thing, too!

Where I grew up, a young man who had just killed his first deer was supposed to eat its heart raw, right there in the field. And that was in the USA.

Tucker

[NoodleyAppendage]

42. Key to your point was the difference b/w killing the animal before eating it.

J

[AlienGirl]

45. Only because it's harder to eat alive than a rabbit--the psychology in the act is exactly the same

[stillcool]

34. I tell you what...

I would invest a wee-bit of time, educating myself on the subject...before I condemned any body.

[NoodleyAppendage]

41. Screw the lecture on cultural/moral relativism. Assuming ignorance is your problem.

J

[stillcool]

49. now see....

I did not 'lecture'...what I replied was what 'I' would do prior to condemnation of another human being. Obviously you do not need any insight at all, prior to determining the 'barbarism' of an unfamiliar culture. I hope you will have the opportunity to be judged the same. Merry Christmas!

[Little Wing]

53. Sometimes "FUCK YOUR CULTURE" has to be said

This is one of them.

Capice?

[stillcool]

55. "Fuck your Culture"

Capice?

[Lurking Dem]

57. So Japanese whaling? Clitorectomies?

Is there NO point at which one can say, "fuck your culture"?

[stillcool]

58. You can fuck anyone's culture you want...

for whatever fucking reason you want. Don't try to understand, d0n't question your own cultural beliefs, don't look to learn anything....and by all means, continue to educate the rest of us by your fine moral principles.

[mondo joe]

61. No matter what your culture, eating a living rabbit doesn't show a damn thing

except your ability to overpower a much weaker animal.

[stillcool]

66. I have no idea...

if it is a cultural, ritualistic or a Jeffrey Dahmer type thing...but I would not use this example to categorize the Iraqi people. Prior to doing such a thing, I would prefer to know just a tad more about it. I, as I posted earlier consider what was done to Fallujah, to be far more barbaric. There's culture for you.

[mondo joe]

70. Categorizing the Iraqi people would be silly. Categorizing the people who eat

living rabbits wouldn't be.

[stillcool]

77. you know...I just don't know

enough about middle-eastern rabbits to be able to assign people to the category of barbarians.

[karlrschneider]

65. I'm not quarrelling with your observation, but you could see some "American" culture

with a visit to a beef or pork or chicken 'packing plant' as they're so called. Just sayin'

[Little Wing]

69. True. One of these examples provides meat to society.

I don't like how it's done, but at least the animals are typically dead before being taken to pieces.

Another example is just some simple-minded shit with serious over-compensation issues, and a rabbit has to suffer solely because of this. Or, if it's not an over-compensation thing, it's a cultural thing, but it's still cowardly bullshit.

[judaspriestess]

21. oh yeah thats real brave

humans are disgusting and barbaric. That has got to be on the top ten of worst photos I have ever seen.

Shame, Shame, Shame on them or anyone who would do something so pathetic

[AlienGirl]

23. This kind of brutality is common worldwide among the puerile trying to prove their "toughness"

It is a common mistake to mistake hardness and cruelty for strength, and all over the world there are people who do things like this to shock their friends and convince themselves they are brave. It would be a mistake to attribute this to something unique to Iraqi culture.

Our current pResident, himself, has indulged in this kind of brutal and barbaric behavior: he used to stick firecrackers into frogs' anuses and blow them up.

Tucker

[NoodleyAppendage]

26. Well, that cinches it...cruelty to animals is one diagnostic for sociopathy.

I didn't know about the Chimperior blowing up animals for sheer enjoyment. Early cruelty to animals is one of the DSM-IV criteria for sociopathic disorder. Dahmer also used to find neighborhood cats and cut them up "just to see what they looked like on the inside."

J

[AlienGirl]

31. One of three signs that are almost always there

There are children who do things like that and, somehow, get over it. They stop. They grow up to be normal people with normal levels of empathy and compassion. Someone, somewhere, needs to find out why some stop and reform, and others go on to become ruthless serial killers or corporate ax-wielders. (Sociopaths don't always act out in illegal or violent ways; they often make it big in business.)

The classic Triad of Sociopathy is cruelty to animals, fire-setting, and bed-wetting.

Tucker

[and-justice-for-all]

28. Thats absolutly FUCKING ILL!!!!!

That poor bunny.

[MazeRat7]

35. And exactly how is that different from what we do in this country ???

Oh wait... yes, we let someone else kill our meat so it comes to us "packaged" for consumption.

There is no "cultural" divide. That soldier is doing exactly what we pay our factory farms to do today.

So you all can avoid looking "barbarian".

MZr7

[Parche]

36. BUGS BUNNY

Whats up Iraq??

[China_cat]

39. What a shame that carnivals no longer have side shows.

Geek acts were always good draws.

[Beaverhausen]

44. How about a warning in the thread title?

I never would have opened this thread had I known I'd be assaulted by that photo. Have a little sensitivity, will ya?

[KamaAina]

46. Gollum ate rabbit raw

in fact he objected strenuously when Sam tried to cook his, remember?

Then again, that's not exactly confidence-inspiring, considering that the people eating these raw rabbits are the future of Iraq. :puke: :scared:

[flvegan]

59. "Signs of courage" Good one! Oh, man...I gotta remember that.

I have to say that considering the relative "shape" of the individual in the picture, that outmassing your herbivore victim by 100x doesn't really show much "courage"

Heyyyyyy, wait a minute...this means that Ozzy Osbourne is the Courage God, or something. Shit...

[oblivious]

67. I might be impressed if they wrestled with a grizzly, but a wabbit?

A fwog?

[flvegan]

71. Give 'em a bat and sick 'em on a koala.

Weren't koalas part of the original Axis of Evil?

[NoodleyAppendage]

72. Isn't the Ozzy/Dove and/or Bat incident an urban myth?

Just wondering...thought I remember hearing that the dove or bat was already dead. Not sure, though.

J

[flvegan]

74. I don't think so.

He did bite the head off of a bat (he got the rabies shots to prove it) and I don't believe the animal was dead yet. The dove was another thing altogether, allegedly grabbing the animal from a cage in someone's office.

[Jcrowley]

68. Seems uncivilized

[me b zola]

73. How does one soldier's actions = a cultural divide/chiasm?

US GIs have committed a few actions that almost everyone on the planet would agree is barbaric. Does that mean that all US GIs are barbaric?

Although distasteful (no pun intended) to most of us, I imagine that eating a live rabbit is something that some of our troops could not only identify with but partake in as well. I see this as a ritual that many warriors would participate in and is not about one culture or another.

I believe that if you have a critism it should be directed @ warriors as a whole, and not Iraqis in particular.

[NoodleyAppendage]

75. Killing to eat/survive vs. Torturing and killing for a friggin' ceremony

Yes, our troops have committed atrocities, but I don't seem to remember hearing that they committed those atrocities during the course of a "bravery" ceremony. It is the ritual torture and killing that I have a problem with.

J

[me b zola]

78. Yes, there seems to be two seperate ideas that we both are addressing

I merely brought the actions of some US troops into the discussion as a way of saying that I have found that it is not wise to associate the actions of a few with their entire group.

As to the ritual killing and eating of an animal, I believe that warriors of many cultures have (and do?) participate in similar rituals. Of all of the archetypes that Jung wrote about, I believe that the warrior archetype is the only one that manifests itself as a paid job. Making war isn't pretty, and the men & women who engage in killing & dying fare better if they embrace the warrior archetype.

Listen, Mr Zola and I dream of buying our own farm, yet I have told him that any animals that are to be slaughtered I will not care for because I will become attached. But put me in a war zone where I must kill or be killed--I may eat a live rabbit myself.

You & I don't have to face death everyday. I'd rather not be judgemental about those who do unless their rituals include human sacrifice or abuse.