Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

I met someone in Bush's base today, and now my brain hurts.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 02:36 AM
Original message
I met someone in Bush's base today, and now my brain hurts.
Edited on Thu Dec-21-06 02:37 AM by LittleClarkie
I was talking to the new parish secretary at my church, asking her about her background and how she came to work for us.

It was strange. The conversation started out alright, with her telling me that she used to be a teacher. Then I found out it was a "choice" school, which here in Wisconsin means the government is helping to pay for parents of lower income to send their children to the school of their choice, generally meaning private school.

Well, this woman used to work for a parochial school apparently, with no gym to speak of and generally not much in the way of facilities. She said alot of children who have behavioral problems end up at schools like the one she used to work at, with children throwing desks and water bottles and such. She says she was let go, because the church school was having trouble recruiting new children, and their rolls were dwindling.

Somehow, as I asked her about how such schools are held accountable, she misunderstood and started talking about teacher certification. She refuses to get her certification because she doesn't believe in what the state teaches. She said that she objected to the multi-cultural class she'd taken before she decided she didn't need to be certified. She objected to it because they taught tolerance of different races and cultures. She said that God created all people equally, and that's how they should be treated. She interpreted what the class taught as being favoritism and special treatment for each different race or culture, and felt that was wrong.

She talked about how she used to be naive to the ways of the world, but sometime in the early ninties she'd started to find out things. She seemed to be talking about government intrusiveness, citing things like the pressure plates on the road by stop lights being used for crowd control because a car sitting on one could be turned off with a charge. Or the same pressure plates letting cars go sooner but making motorcycles wait longer. Or how fire stations can control the stop and go lights. AShe talked about the cameras at intersections and how sophisticated they were in the amout of detail they could register.

By this point in the conversation, I've got an urge to slowly back away, not making any sudden moves. Back in more confused days, this sort of conversation would have kicked off an anxiety attack in me that would have taken months to get over. But I'm not quite as pliable as I used to be, so all I've got is a few crispy brain cells at this point (mind you I'm little sleep deprived today).

But I digress.

She seemed to be talking about a 1984-like scenario. Big Brother is watching. I don't know her politics, so I venture a comment about the Dept. of Homeland Security and how that agency was probably adding to the list of things that worried her. I started to say something about the Bush administration and how government has grown when she interrupted with "Oh, they pick on that man so much. He's a good Christian and he's doing the best he can."

Oh dear. I've read about such folks but never really met one. I'm alittle speechless. I really don't need the President of these United States "doing the best that he can." Yeah, but, "the best that he can" doesn't appear to be enough. So then what? I should cut him some slack because he's supposed to be a good Christian, which I'm not even sure I believe?

I think I tried to suggest that even people with the best of intentions could put policies in place that can be exploited by the less scrupulous and left it at that.

Somehow she managed to head into "It's Clinton's fault" territory from there. She told a story about Iran threatening the life of a soldier (Something like that. It wasn't a story I'd heard before) and Clinton doing nothing.

"And and then ten years later the towers happened" she said.

Hrrr? "That wasn't Iran" I replied.

"Iraq, then."

"Not them either"

"Oh well, the Middle East... somewhere"

"Try Al Queda" I offered.

Informed little thing, ain't she. The freeper alarms are going off now. So this is the sort of person who bought into Bush's rationale for war, and thinks that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.

My brain's bleeding that this point. It's a wonder I could talk.

Talked a bit about security right here somewhere, with her saying something about watching out for these people, and me repeating her words about everyone being created by God and needing to be treated equally back to her.

From there she somehow wandered into how Middle Eastern men treat woman like property, but that she's not into women's lib or being treated like a minority for being a woman and getting special treatment, harkening back to her earlier topic.

Maybe the church school let her go, skipping over senority considerations, not because she was too old and being paid too much, as she assumes, but because this woman is nuts.

I took my leave then. I don't think she was terribly pleased with me, saying I didn't have to agree with her, or believe her (about the conspiracy stuff).

My church is somewhat liberal. And this woman says she likes to talk about stuff like this. I'm wondering how long before one of the parishoners can't take it anymore and gets into an argument with her. Hoo boy.

Thanks for listening if you got this far. I just had to get that encounter out of my system. It's been bugging me all day.

Bush's numbers could go completely into the toilet, and the few percentage points he'd have left would include this woman.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 02:43 AM
Response to Original message
1. Seriously, it sounds like she might not be hitting on all cylinders...
...and I'm not saying that just because she thinks Bush is 'a good Christian man' either. :yoiks:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 02:54 AM
Response to Reply #1
6. I tried to represent fairly what she said
Now I could consider a conspiracy theory seriously if there is some interesting evidence to pour over. But she was talking about cameras, pressure plates at intersections and such as if it were some sort of secret with a sinister purpose, when I've known about those things for yesrs.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 02:50 AM
Response to Original message
2. They don't call'em cheeseheads for nothin
Of the many things I miss about my home state, wack-jobs like that are not one of them. My only surprise is that you haven't encountered her type before. You should try spending a little time in the bars around Sparta and Elroy -- on second thought, don't.

Anyway, I'd just write her off as another victim of Fetal Republican Syndrome and go have a brat and a beer. mmmmmm....brats....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 02:59 AM
Response to Reply #2
7. Well, I've encountered religious nuts before, but not with the political twist
When I was trying to get a handle on my faith a while back, such people could literally drive me nuts as I didn't have much in the way of self esteem, and reckoned that because I was searching and they were selling themselves as good Christians, that there must be something wrong with me if I didn't believe what they believed.

I'm feeling much better now. But fundies still give me hives. And adding the political aspect just made it worse.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 02:52 AM
Response to Original message
3. Just a few bananas short of a bunch, isn't she?
And seriously confused!

Hope your brain is now rested and tomorrow is a better day!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 02:53 AM
Original message
....because this woman is nuts
You got that right. If she keeps that crap up she might not last too long in her new job, unless it's a volunteer post. This woman is going to be interacting with the parishoners for administrative matters?

Ewww....what a way to grow a congregation...not!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rollopollo Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 02:53 AM
Response to Original message
4. ;)
How funny. However unpleasant, those conversations make for great stories...for many years afterwards. I thought the best part was when she was referencing all the Big Brother/Crowd Control programs but fervently defended Bush and the Homeland Security Department. Who exactly does she think Big Brother is?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Vexatious Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 02:54 AM
Response to Original message
5. I know how you feel.
Whenever I have encounters with this type, it's like a tape loop going on and on in my head playing the real bad parts. This women just has a lot of right wing memes spinning around in her brain. My guess is she got most of her thoughts from Rush, Hannity, or that ass-carrot O'Reilly
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 03:06 AM
Response to Reply #5
8. Throw in "Coast to Coast" too
She seems to consider herself better informed than most people, knowing what they would not want to know (X Files, anyone?). She considers herself something of a rebel, but in a good way (in a Christian way, she said) She reckons she's flying against the mainstream. And I'm sure she thinks that's a LIBERAL mainstream.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Higans Donating Member (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 03:12 AM
Response to Original message
9. Poor little Fox News brainwashee...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 03:32 AM
Response to Original message
10. Someone must've blown out her pilot light...
I have recently discovered the comedic joy that is Mama's Family. The zinger seems to fit nicely on your new friend. :thumbsup:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. I thought about it today, wondering if I'd misrepresented her to any great degree
I have a lousy memory for conversations. But no, nothing I could change would change the impression to any great degree.

I'll just sit back now, get some popcorn, and wait to see what the liberal Christians in my church make of her if she starts talking like this in front of them too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 03:50 AM
Response to Original message
11. People seem to forget
Hitler thought of himself as a good Christian, as well
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 04:57 AM
Response to Original message
12. in addition to wondering whether she is oriented to time, place and person, does the woman know what
planet she lives on?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 02:50 PM
Response to Original message
14. oh they are out there, its always Clintons fault
that is their battle cry :crazy:

My fiance works with a woman who is always carrying a sean hannity book with her.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 02:54 PM
Response to Original message
15. Risky to have this lady as the Church's gatekeeper
I guess the biggest issue that irritates me about being Liberal myself, is having to go against my Liberal core beliefs to crack down on some narrow-minded, deluded, xenophobic ethnocentrist. If given the chance, these people will seize the opportunity to make sure everyone else thinks exactly like them; tolerance of others and differing views are simply morally unacceptable.

Boot her from the position as first-impression and communications liaison for the Church, for the good of the Church.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. We'll see how much she likes to gab about this stuff
and how it goes over with the liberals in my church.

If she gets into too many arguments it might just happen on it's own. I do think the pastor will give her a chance though, and won't boot her for having different beliefs than his. It will depend on how professional she manages to be.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 23rd 2024, 09:07 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC