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CarbonDate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 07:25 AM
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Caliphate, Bush's timeline, and the 500 year war.
By request, I'm reposting this journal entry in GD:

As a few of you may know, I'm an active duty NCO in the USAF. I don't like to bring that up much, since it might seem that I'm trying to argue from authority rather than making my point through analysis of facts. But in this case, it's a crucial detail to what I'm writing about today.

Yesterday we had an "all hands call" here at Andersen AFB for junior NCOs (E-5 & E-6) to be briefed by the senior enlisted advisor of USSTRATCOM, Command Master Chief William N. Nissen and the senior enlisted advisor of USPACOM, Command Sergeant Major William T. Kinney (USMC) about long term strategy. Cool, I thought. Maybe I might learn something here.

Boy did I, but not the way I expected. The first half with CMCPO Nissen was informative, if a bit dry. He talked about how DoD structure worked in times of war vs. times of peace and what the functions of braches are vs. the functions of combatant commands. It was interesting, but I was getting a bit drowsy toward the end of it.

The second half was a different story. CSM Kinney got up and spoke, and his speech could not have been more blatantly partisan if he'd been wearing a GOP button. He mentioned "uneducated liberals", talked about Democrats as "quitters" and said that the enemy had influenced the election in their favor this past November. He said that people who voted for Democrats were voting from emotion vice intellect and that we needed to "educate" our loved ones back home or people we ran into in the airport about the nature of our enemy. He had a number of doozies, like referring to Saudi Arabia as a "moderate Muslim country", referring to people telling Israel to give up Jerusalem, and stating that the Iraq War is nothing like the Vietnam War because "when we left Vietnam, it ended! This is gonna keep going!" I still don't know what a "state-sponsored country" is, and I snickered out loud when he at his Freudian slip when he said that the terrorists had already gotten rid of a secular government in "Iraq... er, Iran".

He talked about how the Taliban said that we may have all the weapons, but they have all the time. That struck me as obvious, since it's sort of their fucking country and we're going to have to leave some day. Then he went into the Caliphate and how this apparently is the greatest threat to mankind since Nazi Germany. The Caliphate is a pipe dream of some Islamists to form a unified Muslim nation and institute Islamic law over half the eastern hemisphere. Frankly, most of the countries covered are already Muslim nations, and if it gets them to stop blowing each other (and us) up, I'm all for it. But that presumes that these Islamists have the means of carrying their dream out, which they don't. Philosophical views aside, most Muslims (like most Americans) simply want to be left the fuck alone to live their lives and only engage in terrorism under extreme duress or desperation. It hardly seems like the sort of thing around which we should be forming our long-term foreign policy and military strategy.

And how long term is it? Sgt Maj Kinney told us about the "Long War", which is what the Bush Administration now calls the Global War on Terror (GWOT). They've never offered a timeline in the past, but they apparently do have one. Sgt Maj Kinney let it slip with this one:

"We're entering into a 500 year war here, people."

Let that sink in for a bit. It took me almost a day before I said, "Wait, what!?" I initially ignored the remark because so much else of what he said was just complete bullshit, but he said this in the context of talking about how this was going to be a long war that Americans don't have the patience for because it's not the kind of short war that our MTV generation (and Sun Tzu, if you've ever read Art of War; he wrote, "No country has ever profited from protracted warfare." But I digress.) prefer. He was saying that we have to have the "will" to outlast them. On top of that, he's in a very influential position as the senior enlisted advisor for PACOM.

So it's not that the administration doesn't have a timeline. They do. It's just that they don't want to tell anybody what it is:

500 years.

I'm going to write some letters. I suggest you do the same.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 07:32 AM
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1. Do you think 500 years will cover it?
We have opened Pandora's box here and created hatred among a people who hold their beliefs and objectives are not always carried out by one generation. They are patient and will this will effect our great-grandchildren's great-grandchildren
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 07:34 AM
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2. Did War Lord Kinney talk about how we were going to finance a 500 year war? Or
Edited on Thu Dec-21-06 07:35 AM by ixion
how, given that our Army is already near 'broken', how we plan to field a force for such a (disastrous) war?

Oh, and given that THERE IS NO OFFICIAL 'WAR', what the hell war he is talking about anyway? :crazy:

Long War... how stupid can one group of people get?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 07:44 AM
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3. Wait a minute...if they have all the oil and we don't...for the long haul...they will win
as soon as we run out....them jets don't run on solar power...our combines don't work on coal, and our Nascar is not gonna run on hope.

Its not gonna last but a few more months ...time to get out ...period...Bush has fucked up with his BRING UM ON Bravado, his LIES, and his BULLINESS
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 07:49 AM
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4. Kinney sounds like a member of Bush's
religious insane New World Order wackos.

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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 07:50 AM
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5. The 'Long War'
Fearless Leader weighs in on the 'Long War':

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/12/20061220-1.html

"This war on terror is the calling of a new generation; it is the calling of our generation. Success is essential to securing a future of peace for our children and grandchildren. And securing this peace for the future is going to require a sustained commitment from the American people and our military.

We have an obligation to ensure our military is capable of sustaining this war over the long haul, and in performing the many tasks that we ask of them."
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 07:53 AM
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6. I have long suspected that the USAF and the USMC
have become the objects of infiltration by fundie nut jobs. This only adds to that evidence. I don't know what to do about it, but if true, it's the largest danger to our democracy since the times of King George (not ours, the one in England that we fought in the revolutionary war). The Air Force Academy is also a hotbed of fundie driven wing nuttery.

Command Sergeant Major is a fairly important post in the USMC. Only the best of the enlisted personnel should be promoted to that rank. Only ones who are level headed, widely read, and very intelligent should aspire to it. This guy doesn't sound like he meets any of those criteria.

That people like him in our military are brainwashed and so ignorant of world history is even more disturbing.

Will they follow the illegal commands of a whacked out CIC? Will they follow the lawful commands of the next Democratic CIC?
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 07:55 AM
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7. Wow
the neocons are nuttier than I thought. Thanks for the report. I appreciate it and thank your for your service.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 07:57 AM
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8. Guess he's salivating over all the stars generals will get in a 500 year war
:eyes:

Sounds like he's had a bit too much koolaid
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 07:59 AM
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9. k&r. . . . . .n/t
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 08:55 AM
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10. This guy?
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localroger Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 01:38 PM
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11. 500 year war or 1000 year reich?
Actually, it's already lasted about half as long as the 1000 year reich did, so maybe that means it's about over?
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 01:42 PM
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12. K & R n/t
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