Wow, Donald Trump's crying like a huge baby brat to Larry King about Rosie

[mtnsnake]

What a friggin idiot he is. He's doing the Larry King show live from his private jet, and he's screaming and whining all kinds of absurdities toward Rosie O'Donnell just because Rosie mocked him on The View today over that stupid Miss USA thing. They showed a clip of Rosie mocking him, and she was not only hilarious but she was spot on about Trump. Then Trump even started bragging about how many billions he's worth and how he's going to sue Rosie because it would be fun for him to do so. Then he was telling King over and over how bad a person Rosie is, how fat and ugly she is, and yada yada yada. Now who the hell is Trump to be calling someone else fat and ugly? For someone who's worth so many billions, you'd think he could afford a mirror!

I've always been a bit indifferent when it comes to Rosie, but she's my hero for the day, just for plastering that royal dork.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. I don't have much use for either of them, but

it seems odd that somebody like The Donald, being richer than God, even gives a damn about what somebody else says about him, especially on some lame show like The View, which hardly anybody even watches anyhow.

[hiaasenrocks]

13. Her lies could potentially affect his business dealings.

I think that's why he's standing up to her.

[MichiganVote]

34. Oh please....the only thing this will do is increase PR for both of them

[hiaasenrocks]

39. Oh, that's your opinion on the legalities of slander? Okay.

[MichiganVote]

67. Potential losses vs. actual losses to a business are two diff. things

[femrap]

92. What lies?

His hair is a mess. And he has filed bankruptcy.

If he continues insulting overweight women (and most American are), they'll stop watching his shitty show the apprentice.

I can't believe that on DU there are people who like this corporatist, egotistical asshole.

At least Rosie is funny, liberal, and gives shitloads of $ to charities.

[ray of light]

108. there were no lies. But bad 'press' could affect his portfolio. BUT

that's true for everyone--rich or poor!

[hwmnbn]

63. If the people planning to do business.....

with the Trumpster look to Rosie O'Donnell for their financial assessments, they are in BIG trouble. My guess is they are both after publicity and what better way than to start a feud.

[roguevalley]

114. what lies? he was bankrupt several times, cheated on his many

wives and is a dick. sounds like truth to me.

[The Backlash Cometh]

102. He should be concerned. Because it really doesn't make

sense that America spend time on this man whose only gift is a charismatic appearance that manages to suck investors into his many projects.

[rucky]

2. This is mutual PR mastrubation between Rosie & The Don

as far as I'm concerned, this scrap is a publicity stunt.

[tuvor]

3. Exactly my thoughts.

A serendipitous PR stunt, but a stunt nonetheless.

If anyone doubts it, just watch their respective ratings increase.

I'll bet they're slapping each other on the back right now, congratulating each other for keeping their mediocre selves in the public consciousness.

What, me cynical?

[Gabi Hayes]

5. I'll happily take that bet, and lay you ten to one odds.

how much?

[femrap]

93. No, I don't think so.

These two people travel in very, VERY different circles.

Rosie is a true progressive...a lesbian. Chump is an asshole...and he can't stand for having a lesbian mocking him. He is a very self-entitled jerk who is used to having his ass kissed AT ALL TIMES. He is used to having young women licking his boots...and now Rosie insults him. No...this ain't no stunt.

[mtnsnake]

105. And I think you are absolutely right

What you say makes perfect sense. This is one time the venom is for real. That's a very good analysis of Trump and what went on, femrap, and in so few words!

[femrap]

113. Thank you, mtnsnake....

I'm not accustomed to compliments. Most appreciated.

[EST]

4. I've been wondering if this was, perhaps, a pre-arranged

cat fight to draw attention to both these starving souls.

[mtnsnake]

12. Might be. I also think that entire Miss USA "second chance" thing was a stunt

that was geared to give Donald much needed attention that he constantly strives for, and fame and fortune for Miss Implants USA, Tara Conner. I've never seen anyone with a phonier crying act than what Miss USA did yesterday in that stupid artificial "second chance" news conference that Trump held.

[MichiganVote]

35. No doubt about it. All about $$

[Catherine Vincent]

6. I think Rosie is funny!

This probably helps Trump out, unfortunately. It keeps his ugly ass in the news.

[mtnsnake]

9. She sure was funny mocking Trump. She nailed it.

I never watch The View, but I'll bet their ratings just got a boost.

[Democrats_win]

7. They both should just STFU and the 24-hour news cycle will move on.

[femrap]

94. You know...Rosie is a true progressive.

She has great politics and gives, as well as raises, boatloads of $ for progressive causes.

I don't get this vile spew toward her at all...am I on lgf or freeperland? WTF?

[Gabi Hayes]

98. you GO, femrap! when I get my $5K, I'm cutting you IN!

you get it, while the others here who have a problem with certain less appealing aspects of her personality, which, admittedly, can be grating, fail to understand that she IS a progressive with ACCESS to the media, a rarity these days.

that's why the likes of OReilly, Scarborough (fasicst in populist clothing), etal, are so virulent in their attacks on her, and anyone else (Dixie Chicks, anyone?) who dare speak against the criminally insane powers that be

[femrap]

115. Thanks for the cut, Gabi!

I swear if it were Colbert or Stewart giving Chump hell, everyone would be singing their glories....but an overweight, mouthy lesbian gets shit.

I used to watch her talk show on occasion and she really struck me as someone who had her head and heart together. And I love her sense of humor.

Guess I should start watching The View so the ratings go up...think I'll email ABC and say how happy I am with Rosie!

[Cha]

8. "A mirror" and a

"stylist". :)

I saw a clip of Rosie the other day when Joy Behar was comparing rummy to hitler and they both looked really healthy..just glowing.

[silverojo]

10. I think it's high time the entertainment industry said to Trump:

"You're fired!"

Let him stick to sleazy business deals, and get out of our freakin' faces. Whiny dickhead!

[mtnsnake]

19. Amen to that!!

Let him stick to sleazy business deals, and get out of our freakin' faces. Whiny dickhead!

:rofl:

[MichiganVote]

56. I think its a wake up call for a make over--for both of them

[hiaasenrocks]

11. She wasn't "spot on" about Trump.

She lied about his business and financial dealings. He'll sue and he'll win, because she lied.

Now, if she tries to sue him for saying she's a "fat slob" and that she's a disaster because her previous show got yanked and her magazine dealings ended in a lawsuit, do you think she'll win on the facts?

[mtnsnake]

14. Oh but she was. She was "spot on" when she mocked him. The clip was perfect

and she was absolutely spot on when she asked who the hell made Donald Trump the judge of morality in the world.

[hiaasenrocks]

15. That's a matter of opinion, and the mocking of his personal

life doesn't have anything to do with the lies she told about his business dealings. That's what the lawsuit would be about.

She has every right to voice her opinion about his personal morals, and he has every right to voice his opinion of hers. That's not what the lawsuit would be about.

[LibraLiz1973]

83. did she lie about his business dealings?

me thinks not

do your research

[Lex]

16. How'd she lie?

She has the facts on her side in this case.

Do a little research on Trump's dealings.

She even has some info up on her blog:
http://www.rosie.com/index.html

[hiaasenrocks]

20. She said he went bankrupt three times.

That's a lie.

She had better be able to back up the actual words she said. She can't.

[Lex]

28. No jury will covict. He's a sleazy businessman so his reputation

can't be harmed. He hasn't gone bankrupt three times, but how many?

[hiaasenrocks]

33. Oh, is that how the law reads?

If you're a "sleazy business man" you can't win a civil suit? Hmmmm.

You're right, though, about no jury convicting her, because that's not how it works anyway.

She said three times, that's a lie, and that's what will be alleged in the suit. Easy to prove.

[Lex]

45. Sorry but a "lie" doesn't mean a win in a slander suit.

You have to prove damage to reputation.

[hiaasenrocks]

49. Yep. And his lawyers obviously feel confident about that

as he said tonight, "My lawyers want to sue."

[MichiganVote]

54. And that's a bad bluff. Now who's playing a bully?

[hiaasenrocks]

58. I doubt it's a bluff. We'll see who wins the bet below. :)

[MichiganVote]

59. Well whatever stake you've got in this is much bigger than my interest

She should have just called him an asshole. No slander there.

[hiaasenrocks]

61. Agreed on that.

[femrap]

95. Are you trying to be an apprentice?

Sorry. You're Fired! lol

[Lex]

55. Good God. Of course they do! They make big money that way.

They don't give a shit if he wins.

They bill by the hour!

[hiaasenrocks]

62. They do? He doesn't have attorneys on staff that work for

a salary no matter what they're working on? Hmmmm.

[Bridget Burke]

103. Yeah, the types of lawyer that end up as chumps for venal villains...

In Hiaasen books.

[Clark2008]

70. And they would lose.

It's next to impossible for a public figure to win a slander suit - it has been done, but so rarely that I can only think of one similiar case: Carol Burnett v. The National Enquirer for libel (which is the written word).

He can bluster all he wants - and he may be TECHNICALLY correct - but he would have to prove that she said it KNOWING it wasn't true - and, she shows on her website that she THOUGHT it was true.

Just stating a fact as a communications major who was never sued for either slander or libel. :)

[MichiganVote]

40. So how do you prove she lied? Can't she be misinformed?

How does one get sued for misinformation?

[hiaasenrocks]

42. Happens all the time in slander and libel suits.

[MichiganVote]

48. Doesn't answer how she "lied"?

[Lex]

47. A lie doesn't equal slander. You have to prove damage to reputation

and his reputation is pretty well shot anyway.

He's got no case. He's an idiot.

[MichiganVote]

50. Exactly my point. Judge Judy call Donald!!

[hiaasenrocks]

52. I guess we'll find out.

[Critters2]

86. The wikipedia article on him names two specific times when he went through

a bankruptcy restructuring, and left his creditors holding the bag. Also notes that being bad with credit is basically his SOP. Do you really think the courts will find against Rosie because she was off by one on the number of times he's declared bankruptcy (if she is)?

I think the Donald is an idiot if he pursues this. Hell, I think he's an idiot either way. An idiot with bad credit.

[Gabi Hayes]

88. knock if OFF! you probably just cost me $5000!!

hope he doesn't see this post.

there's no way on earth he's going to file on this. he's just using this as a convenient whoring opportunity for the latest version of whatever his disgusting "reality" show is

[Critters2]

89. Mea culpa.

Mea maxima culpa.

:cry:





Still, I'm right :yoiks:

[Gabi Hayes]

91. of course you're right. Trump is among the very lowest forms of life extant.

My contempt for him towers above that of many in this criminally insane administration, which is saying something.

he's one of those forms that one thinks can't possibly sink any lower, but like members of the BFEE, always find a way to reveal themselves to be worse than anyone can possibly imagine.

the recent exchange between him and Rosie (of whom I'm no fan, btw) is just the latest example of how repellent he is.

[mtnsnake]

107. LOL!! nt

[Catherine Vincent]

26. I just tried to access Rose's website.

It says that traffic is high and to try back at another time. :)

[Lex]

32. She's got the Wiki article on Trump up though.

:thumbsup:

[Catherine Vincent]

17. So what if she lied? She wasn't under oath.

Besides, she'll say she got her facts wrong.

[hiaasenrocks]

21. Slander doesn't require one to be under oath.

[mtnsnake]

24. Slander?? Did you here how Trump was slandering Rosie on LK's show?

Enough with the selective criticism here.

[hiaasenrocks]

25. How did he slander her?

[mtnsnake]

31. Christ, didn't you hear him telling the world how "bad" a person she is and

how she's the reason The View is gonna go under? Isn't that a form of slander, too, when it's only Trump's opinion and he's stating it as fact on television?

[hiaasenrocks]

36. Actually, no, that wouldn't meet the criteria for slander.

You can state an opinion about what you think will happen. You can't, however, lie about something that is established fact, and that's what she did.

And remember, his attorney could put Barbara Walters under oath about what she said to him on the phone about Rosie's negative impact on The View.

[mtnsnake]

41. Okay, I'm no lawyer. Anyway, as far as what Walters said to him, you can bet

your bottom dollar that Barbara Walters is going to be furious at Trump for revealing publicly on Larry King what obviously was said in confidentiality by her to Trump.

[hiaasenrocks]

44. I agree with you on that! It adds a whole new aspect to this story.

[Catherine Vincent]

30. That is true.

If Clinton sued every republican prick that slandered him, he'd be a megabillionaire.

[hlthe2b]

18. Donald!! Is that YOU?!!!

Wow. The Donald is posting on DU--how about that! :eyes:

[hiaasenrocks]

23. Yep, you nailed it. Brilliant. ;)

[Critters2]

87. That was my thought, too

The Donald's social life is as sad as mine. Makes me proud.

[Gabi Hayes]

29. what did she lie about, exactly? his bankruptcies? that she didn't say

PERSONAL bankruptcies instead of his corporations' bankruptcy filings?

care to elaborate for us?

he won't sue...that's why he said 'probably sue'

he's the lowest form of slug there is, right around Rove's level

[hiaasenrocks]

38. Already answered this several times.

[Gabi Hayes]

43. no you did NOT, other than in meaningless generalities, but....

tell you what: humor me and show me the post in which you dealt with his several corporate bankruptcies

then I'll apologize for my poor reading comprehension skills, cause all I've seen is where you called her a liar, while denying he ever filed for bankruptcy.

the reason he said he'd PROBABLY sue her, among myriad others, is that she was clearly referring to his corporations' lousy financial performances (how many casinos file for bankruptcy?), and were he head into court on that basis, he'd be laughed off the docket

[hiaasenrocks]

46. Good grief.

Rosie said he went bankrupt three times. He didn't.

Rosie has the Wiki article on her blog, which doesn't even support what she said.

The reason no one is addressing his "several" bankruptices is because there aren't "several" of them.

He'll sue, and he'll win. I will put any wager on that.

[Gabi Hayes]

51. sign me up

how much you want to bet that he even sues?

half of his net worth?

and I notice that you didn't bother to mention the unfortunate reality of his CORPORATE bankruptcies, to which she was clearly referring, as those do exist, whether you choose to acknowledge them or not

what a surprise.....

[hiaasenrocks]

57. I'll put $5,000 on it.

PM me and we can discuss the terms. I'll be VERY happy to do so.

Source the three bankruptcies. Thanks.

[Gabi Hayes]

72. five thousand on what?

whether he sues, or whether he wins?

since there will never be a lawsuit, what's the time limit on his not filing?

who's going to hold my $5000 for how long?
seriously.

cause there won't be any lawsuit.

and if you're that poorly informed about his corporate state of affairs, I almost feel guilty about taking your money.

and I have no problems discussing terms in the open

who holds the money? and how long do I have to wait for the nonexistent lawsuit to not occur before I get to keep yours?

six months?

I can wait that long.

easiest five thousand I'll ever make

[mtnsnake]

74. You and hiaasenrocks need to know one thing....

Whoever wins the bet...don't forget my 10% commission! :evilgrin:

Cheers to both of you!

:toast:

[Gabi Hayes]

90. thanks, ha! that gives me an idea, though:

maybe we can have Skinner, or somebody here, hold the $$$$$, for a donatable fee. I'll gladly give some of my newly won money to DU.

[hiaasenrocks]

68. I'm about to sign off for the night. PM me about the wager!

:hi:

[Lex]

53. There aren't "several" bankruptcies but there are "some" I take it?

Trump's an idiot if he thinks he'll win this suit.

[hiaasenrocks]

60. She better come up with three before she walks into court!

All of your "Trump is an idiot" posts don't really add anything to the discussion here. That would be the equivalent of me responding to all the posts with "Rosie is a fat pig" type messages. But there's more to discuss here, no?

Perhaps you can source the three bankruptcies. That'll be interesting to read, actually.

[Lex]

75. The fact that she said "3" doesn't make his case. Not by a long shot.

He has to prove damage to his reputation because she said 3. If he's had some bankruptcies and she said 3, it doesn't mean he has a case.

Guess what? You can't damage the reputation of a businessman who is already a laughingstock to begin with. Particularly when he already has bankruptices in his column to start with.

If you said a guy molested 3 children and he really molested 2, do you think he has a slander case? He doesn't.

[Gabi Hayes]

81. heh heh....you make the case better than I. hope you didn't scare him off.

''I only went bankrupt TWICE! how dare she say I did it three times? I'm suing! .....uh, probably.''

cha CHING!

[CornField]

104. Hell, this is Amurika! Lies get you elected

Bigger lies -- like the ones which brought us to the Iraqi mess -- get you reelected.

[Liberal Veteran]

22. If he was worth so much, you'd think he'd could afford a home decorator...

....but I watched an episode of the Apprentice where they visited Trump's apartment and it was hideous beyond belief.

I don't mean just not well thought out.....I mean incredibly tacky. I'm sure he paid a pretty penny for everything in the house, but it's over the top tacky.

If I had to describe the theme, it would be: Billy-Bob Cletus Wins the Lottery

Or maybe "A Circa 1970's Pimpmobile Exploded in this House".

[Cha]

69. And while he's at it..he could

spring for a decent barber who has a sense of Sty-le. :)

[Liberal Veteran]

73. No doubt.

That hair thing is just beyond bizarre.

Jeez....you have the money, Donald.....spend some of it to get some real hair instead of going for the cheap combover!

[Imagevision]

27. This too shall pass -- they both lose continueing on...

[KurtNYC]

37. Donald has jumped the shark -- or should that be "Trumped the shark"

He seems really petty and insecure for a multi-millionaire

[Raine]

64. I'm not a Rosie fan

cause she gets on my last nerve but thought she was so funny the way she flipped her hair over and imitated him. :rofl: Trump is a pumped up arrogant ass even if he does support Democrats he is still a big ole sleaze.

[Clark2008]

65. As someone who rarely follows the corporate media, I'm

afraid I have no idea what Rosie said that could be construed as slander or libel.

Does anyone have a link?

[opihimoimoi]

66. Signs of an ABUSIVE BULLY by trump...Rosie is telling him to fuck off

and he goes ballistic?

I love it...another BULLY exposed by self infliction...

[redherring]

71. The fact is that Donald Trump's company did in fact

file for Chapter 11.

[Dorian Gray]

76. not to mention

years ago he was on Oprah, talking about filing bankruptcy, and claiming that at one point he was poorer than anybody else in that room.

Whatever. He won't sue, and he looks more like a fool for responding to her social criticism with personal insults. He IS an idiot.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

78. How's Her Magazine And Talk Show Doin?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[redherring]

80. You know what, I bet Donald Trump isn't even worth a billion

dollars. If he sues her, I can bet that all his financial secrets will come out, and I bet that he isn't worth even a billion! The guy is a bad businessman, period.
Secondly, what Rosie said about Donald Trump, that a person who has been divorced twice does not have a moral compass, is right on the money. He's such an arrogant man. I dislike Rosie, but I dislike Donald Trump even more.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

82. And I'd Wager Neither You, Nor She, Has Any Right To Judge A Moral Compass Either.

We each have our misdeeds.

[redherring]

85. Eh, an adulterer wants to discipline Miss USA

for boozing. Now what's wrong with this picture? Sure, we all have our misdeeds, but don't we all have opinions? Hell, for crying out loud, the Donald is judging Miss USA's character as well.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

77. I Think A Lot Of What He Said Was Inappropriate. It's Just That It's So Hard For Me To Get Mad At

anyone who's throwin shit back at her. She's the most obnoxious, shrill, arrogant, irritating, loud and detestful celebrity I've ever known. She literally turns my stomach when I hear her speak and turn the channel as quickly as possible LOL

I will admit though that Trump definitely responded in a bit over the top manner and in doing so definitely said some things that made me cringe a bit.

[Swamp Rat]

79. LOL! Get 'em Rosie!

:rofl:

[Catchawave]

84. The Apprentice starts a new season

next month. I hope it tanks to the Nielsens cellar.

Go Rosie Go !

[femrap]

96. I bet there won't be many overweight women

watching his show....and that's a large share of audience.

[NotGivingUp]

97. Rosie is great....Trump sucks! Go, Rosie!

[Diane R]

99. Rosie is great. Her politics are our politics.

This morning, while Trump was spewing bile on every television show on the dial, Rosie was on the View proudly introducing her 'Rosie's Broadway Kids'. Rosie does wonderful things with her money and she is a staunch supporter of Progressive issues. She and her partner are providing a stable and loving home for their four children, something Trump has never done with any of his children.

Trump could learn about class from Rosie.

[Gabi Hayes]

100. that's right, and guess who's a HUGE cheapskate?

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/trumpcheap1.html

''There's something about this Donald Trump guy that rubs us the wrong way--and it's not the greed, arrogance, megalomania, or that golden swirl perched on his noggin. The, um, star of NBC's "The Apprentice" is, as he is always quick to note, a New York City billionaire who has more juice than Con Ed.

But when it comes to philanthropy, Trump is probably the country's least generous corporate baron. While fellow titans like Bill Gates and David Geffen have used their charitable foundations to make many significant donations, Trump is, by comparison, an absolute cheapskate.''



surprised, anyone?

note that he gave ZIPPO to 9-11 related charities!

[ellisonz]

101. Trump isn't any where near worth as much as Gates or Geffen...

He has limited cash revenue from the casinos and a lot of expensive property, this doesn't make philanthropy easy to do. Plus, Buffett didn't give much at all until this year...so don't count Trump out.

[sendero]

106. Exactly..

... Trump isn't remotely in the league of Gates or Buffett and he never will be.

[trumad]

109. James Wolcott on this fued:

btw---me-thinks that those who side with Trump in this share his sentiments.
___________________________

The War of the Rosie

In raging times, one must take sides, and I have taken mine.

My sympathies are clear and unequivocal.

I support Rosie O'Donnell.

Not in every instance, not in every utterance, not in every dispute, but generally, predominantly, and temperamentally I find myself on her side when controversy erupts.

As it has done in the last two days with the belching assault on her character, talent, looks, career, and sexual orientation by the oafish Donald Trump. Commenting on the teary psychodrama that Trump staged this week to pardon Miss USA Tara Conner for her trespasses (a media spectacle Steve Gilliard filed under the blogline "This is fucked up") and to enjoy a free tanning session under the TV lights, Rosie noted that Trump's own track record in the marital department made him a dubious enforcer of morals clauses. She also made reference to his sweeping comb-over, a comment not likely to win favor with his vanity.

It was perfectly appropriate for Trump to issue an oral riposte or two. Given the Marie Antoinette flounciness of his vanity, a pettish outburst from him was to be expected. But what he gave vent to on The Insider and then on Good Day LA (an interview receiving heavy rotation on Fox News all day) was unpardonably ugly, sexist, homophobic, and plain hateful. To label her repeatedly a loser ("Rosie's a loser"), to disparage her weight and looks ("a very unattractive person," ""Rosie O'Donnell is disgusting, I mean both inside and out" "Take a look at her, she's a slob"), to toss lewd little darts about her lesbianism (praised by the fawning Fox interviewer for giving Tara Conner a second chance, Trump smirked, "I think Rosie's given a lot of girls second chances"),--this was a classic exhibition of the Donald's male chauvinist piggery. And that's a dated phrase, well, Trump's a dated man, exemplifying "class" with a capital K.

So one doesn't expect him to rise above criticism, but to drag criticism down to his coarse level, which he did. (He also repeatedly asserted that The View's ratings were anemic , without any of the interviewers risking incurring his wrath by noting that The Apprentice's ratings have been a downhill climb since season one.)

What I didn't expect, listening to Trump, was to hear him allude to Rosie O'Donnell as "that animal."

"That animal." As if she were livestock unfit to walk upright in the same world as Trump's, or a bug to be squashed beneath his pompous thumb. "That animal"--I'm sorry, but that's so far over the line that you can't even see the line from where those words land. It reflects a contempt that runs even deeper than the contempt Trump spits out regarding those he deems "losers" (i.e., anyone not as rich as he is).

I suspect and expect that one of the themes of 2007 will be the Arrogance of the Super Rich. If so, Trump's Elvis pout and toxic demeanor are getting next year's theme off to a flying start.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/blogs/wolcott

[mtnsnake]

111. Wow, you should post that as a thread. Powerful stuff by him.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

110. I think all "fat and ugly" people should boycott The Donald". Don't go to his casinos, don't

buy his properties, stop watch The Apprentice, etc.

[jeffrey_X]

112. I'm actually using this instance as a talking point with right wingers...

This type of crap is part of our culture, correct? It is everywhere in/on the media and people are talking about it.

How is it that we are trying to tell certain parts of the world they need to be more like us, when this type of useless, mind-numbing crap is a relevant part of our society? It makes us look fucking stupid, yet certain factions of our society are absolutey certain we are the best country in the world. Bullshit.