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madhoosier Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 12:16 AM
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Navy Times Article; Carrier Stennis to be Deployed to the Persian Gulf
Edited on Fri Dec-22-06 12:22 AM by madhoosier
In a Navy Times article posted late Thursday afternoon Reporters William H. McMichael and Christopher P. Cavas announce that the Aircraft carrier John C. Stennis is preparing to leave for the Persian Gulf as early as the first week of January and that the 5th Fleet confirmed that a “Request For Forces” (RFF) had been received.
http://www.navytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2438831.php




"A 5th Fleet spokesman confirmed that a “request for forces,” or RFF, has been sent to the Pentagon by U.S. Central Command.

“I’m aware that they’ve put out an RFF requesting strategic military assets to be moved to this region,” said Cmdr. Kevin Aandahl. He said additional ground forces had also been requested. He declined to comment on specific units.

Aandahl emphasized that at this point, none of the additional forces would be tasked for a specific mission. “They’d be used as the situation requires,” he said. Additional naval forces would be deployed “throughout the region to meet emergent threats.”

Another Navy official concurred. “There are many competing priorities in that region,” said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity."


The article suggests that in addition to the Stennis that the Kitty Hawk, Enterprise and Ronald Reagan are also available to be sent to the Persian Gulf at a moments notice and that the Nimitz would only have to complete flight deck certification training to be available, which could be completed while sailing to the Gulf.

Also mentioned in the Navy Times article is that the sources for the proposed additional deployment to the Gulf was a “Senior Defense Official" and that the New York Times reported that the U. S. and Britain “will begin moving additional warships into the Persian Gulf region in a display of military resolve,”

Wednesday in my D.U. Journal entry “Alternative reasons for the “Surge” in Iraq and the Proposed Naval Buildup in the Persian Gulf” I suggested that there were several clues pointing toward a confrontation with Iran in the coming weeks. Deploying another Carrier Strike Group to the gulf is more than a clue.


Iran has a fleet of more than a thousand anti-ship cruise missiles which are reported to have a range of 100 miles. The Persian Gulf is only about 40 miles wide at the entrance to the Gulf.

Iran’s mountainous and sparely populated gulf coast shoreline is ideal terrain to hide those missiles.

If America does launch attacks on Iran, Tehran and most of Iran’s industrial infrastructure is located more than 500 miles inland. U.S. pilots would have to fly over hostile territory for over a thousand miles on every sortie.

Iranians also occupy many vital posts throughout the Middle East’s petroleum industry. Sabotage to that industry would be devastating. A Blogger SailorSam posted about his experiences in the gulf aboard tankers, he pointed out that the insurance carriers for the tankers could shut down the shipping through the gulf just as easily as the Iranians could.

As I tried to point out Wednesday Bush is cornered, America’s voters are fed up with Iraq, the democrats now control the Congress, and Iran now dominates the Islamic portion of Middle East. If Congress begins to exert their power over Bush his window of opportunity to call all the shots is about to slam closed. I expect he will present the new Congress a fait’ accompli with an attack on Iran before they have time to reestablish their role as a co-equal branch of government.

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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 02:39 AM
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1. k&r nt
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 02:02 PM
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2. It's a nightmare, or the Twilight Zone....
"I expect he will present the new Congress a fait’ accompli with an attack on Iran before they have time to reestablish their role as a co-equal branch of government."

I hope you are wrong, but I wouldn't put it past him (them).
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 02:20 PM
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3. We already defeated Iran at sea in 1988 & they shot plenty of anti-shipping missiles with no effect.
Operation Praying Mantis. That was pre-stealth era too.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 02:33 PM
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5. Did Iran's arsenal contain Sunburn missiles in 1988?
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 03:20 PM
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7. Probably not. Either way, it's just a missile.
As such, it might shape the encounter to some extent but it wouldn't shape the inevitable outcome of a US/Israeli air campaign against Iran.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 03:27 PM
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8. Wasn't that before the sunburn missiles were aquired by Iran,
they're some pretty bad assed missiles, 2000 plus miles per hour best I remember about the russian sunburn missiles
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 03:35 PM
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12. The sunburn is bad but do you really think it's bad enough to counter US air/naval power?
I don't. We can operate from a plethora of land based air bases and we can keep our carrier groups out of sunburn range for as long as necessary. We don't need to bottle everything up in the Gulf and wait for them to unload every ASBM in their inventory on us.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 04:16 PM
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14. not at all but they could be very lethal, kill a lot of troops, something I don't want to see
a couple strategically sank ships in the straits would shut down all traffic which would not be good for the boats already in the gulf and the soldiers on them.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 02:32 PM
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4.  This is not good news
I say this because I feel bush and his agents in crime and murder will do just about anything to hold onto power even if there is a possiblity of failure .

It has been proven over and over how little they are concerned with american or other citizens of other countries .
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mc jazz Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 03:14 PM
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6. anyone wargaming?
I want to see some wargaming vis-a-vis a strike on Iran
what would happen?

One question I have is how many Sunburns they got, if it's more than a dozen I would be very worried because like the article says the layout of the persian gulf is such that the Iranians can hide missiles easily and the one they lent hezbollah certainly worked alright

Secondly could the carriers operate 100+ miles off the coast and simply get out of their range?

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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 03:28 PM
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9. "Secondly could the carriers operate 100+ miles off the coast and simply get out of their range"
Easily. What's more, we control most of the airspace enroute to Iran via Israel, Iraq, Kuwait, and Afghanistan.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 03:28 PM
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10. not in the gulf i think
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 03:31 PM
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11. The advantage would only be Iran's if they struck first
Cruise missiles and strike aircraft will always allow the U.S. Navy to have greater stand-off range than the Iranians who would be necessarily limited by fixed radar installations and the curvature of the Earth.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 03:46 PM
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13. Any wargames conducted by the US won't include General Riper
Marine Lieutenant General Paul Van Riper (retired), former Director of the Command and Staff College, was the commander of the Iraqi (inferior forces by comparison to Iran's) side in the Millennium Challenge wargame in 2002. He won. Or he would have if they hadn't called a time out and conducted a do over.

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1060102.php
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