CIA gave Iran the "blackmarket nuke plans" Bolton accuses Iran having

[McCamy Taylor]

Check the timeline. A few weeks ago, both the LA Times and Guardian broke the story--which was verified by several reliable sources and NOT denied by the CIA. Last year, the CIA used a Soviet double agent to sell Iran nuke plans that were supposed to be duds in order to set back any plans for a nuke. But the double agent did a dopuble cross and told Iran that the duds plans had a flaw. Now, Iran has almost perfect nuke plans, from Uncle Sam. Experts say that any competent Soviet Nuclear Scientist could find the chnages, fix and and come up with a working nuke recipe.

No wonder that the US is now complaining to the UN that Iran has obtained nuke plans. We gave them to Iran. We know all about it. Problem was, the American people were not supposed to know that WE were the ones who gave the plans to Iran. That came out in the book from the NYT reporter who spilled Bush Spied.

But how did this collasal blunder happen? Could no one forsee that the double agent was not trustworthy? I say that they could, and that he was chosen precisely because he was going to inform Iran what was in those plans. The Neo-cons wanted Iran to get working plans, and they knew that no sane country would give them to Iran, so they came up with this hare brained scheme and used the CIA as their fall guy, once again.

Bush and Cheney and Porter Goss are making saps of Papa Bush's favorite federal agency. Bush Sr. must be in tears.


Now, if I can just figure out what the feds took from Sen Scoop Jackon's library. I am beginning to suspect that it had something to do with Iran or Bolton or both.

[unblock]

1. hmm. sounds like the old debate briefing book ploy

send a copy of your debate briefing book to an unwitting staffer at your opponent's campaign and then cry foul!

[mattclearing]

2. My thoughts exactly.

Or Dan Rather National Guard Docs. Same thing.

[Canuckistanian]

3. Precisely.

Standard operating procedure for sliming an enemy. And damned easy to pull on a willing, lapdog press.

[annabanana]

4. If you can get links to the Times & Guardian stories..

I would LOVE to send this to K.O.

[McCamy Taylor]

7. Here are some links

The Guardian still has their article up> They give the date of the nuke plans as 2000.

http://books.guardian.co.uk/extracts/story/0,6761,1678218,00.html?gusrc=rss

The LA Times story gives the date of the nuke plans exchange as 2004. This story was still available as late as 1-2 weeks ago. I can no longer find it, but I can find other stories that reference it. Here is one with a quote from the original LA Times article which appears to have gone to La La Land. I am sure that some one else has the whole thing:

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2006/1/4/143956/8074

In a clumsy effort to sabotage Iran's nuclear program, the CIA in 2004 intentionally handed Tehran some top-secret bomb designs laced with a hidden flaw that U.S. officials hoped would doom any weapon made from them, according to a new book about the U.S. intelligence agency.
But the Iranians were tipped to the scheme by the Russian defector hired by the CIA to deliver the plans and may have gleaned scientific information useful for designing a bomb, writes New York Times reporter James Risen in "State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration." (snip)

Top New York Times officials also refused to publish a news article about the reported CIA plot to give intentionally flawed nuclear plans to Iran, according to a person briefed on the newspaper's conversations by one of the participants. That person said the New York Times withheld publication at the request of the White House and former CIA Director George J. Tenet.
(snip)

"He was the front man for what may have been one of the most reckless operations in the modern history of the CIA, one that may have helped put nuclear weapons in the hands of a charter member of what President George W. Bush has called the axis of evil," the book contends.

Two nuclear weapons experts who say that they have no knowledge about whether the covert effort described in the book occurred added that a deliberate flaw in the plans could have been easily found by the Iranians.

"Iran has excellent scientists and any information related to weapons designs could move its program ahead," said a European nuclear weapons expert, who refused to allow his name to be used because his government prohibits comments on nuclear weapons or designs.

David Albright, a former weapons inspector for the IAEA, agreed with the other expert that the plans could have shaved many years off Iran's nuclear effort.


PS: I found a link finally!

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-intel4jan04,1,4817832.story

CIA Gave Iran Bomb Plans, Book Says
The nuclear designs were intentionally flawed, but Tehran was tipped off and could have made use of them, the writer contends.

By Josh Meyer, Times Staff Writer


WASHINGTON — In a clumsy effort to sabotage Iran's nuclear program, the CIA in 2004 intentionally handed Tehran some top-secret bomb designs laced with a hidden flaw that U.S. officials hoped would doom any weapon made from them, according to a new book about the U.S. intelligence agency.

But the Iranians were tipped to the scheme by the Russian defector hired by the CIA to deliver the plans and may have gleaned scientific information useful for designing a bomb, writes New York Times reporter James Risen in "State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration."

[applegrove]

5. I thought this took place under Clinton. I thought the 'Crazies' were all

banned from Washington when this happened. How could neocons be involved?

[McCamy Taylor]

8. Confusing. Guardian says 2000. LA Times says 2004.

[stepnw1f]

6. Bill Hicks Had a Take on This in the '80's

Like an old western show-down, the US throws a gun at the feet of another country, while holding a gun point-blank at that country's face and demands, "pick it up!!!"

Right after the other country goes for the gun, believing it doesn't have a choice, the US blows it away. Then turns to spectators and claims, "you saw him reach for his gun. It was self-defense!"

* It went something like that.

[liveoaktx]

9. In "State of War" by James Risen- Link to excerpt on the Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,12858,1678220,00.html

George Bush insists that Iran must not be allowed to develop nuclear weapons. So why, six years ago, did the CIA give the Iranians blueprints to build a bomb?

In an extract from his explosive new book, New York Times reporter James Risen reveals the bungles and miscalculations that led to a spectacular intelligence fiasco

[G_j]

10. Risen also talks about it in this interview

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5166040

Bush, the CIA and America: 'State of War'
by Terry Gross

Domestic Spying Story
Jan. 5, 2006
Risen on 'Morning Edition'
Dec. 20, 2005
Behind the 'Times' U.S. Spying Story

Fresh Air from WHYY, January 23, 2006 · In December, New York Times reporters James Risen and Eric Lichtblau broke the news that the Bush administration had authorized a domestic spying program.

Risen's new book is State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration. While it describes the National Security Agency's practices of monitoring communication in the United States, the book also delves into the deeper relationship between the president and the CIA -- particularly in terms of his aspirations in Iraq.

[McCamy Taylor]

11. This is an aside re: Scoop Jackson's documents that were seized

last winter. At the time. I was wondering if they had anything to do with DSMs or Bolton which were the two big bugabears for the Bush administration. I cant stand the thought of the CIA rumaging through a dead Senators stuff and making off with 10 documents which you know they are taking because they are trying to cover up something bad that someone currently in power has done.

Anyway, there is one link between Scoop Jackson and Bolton that I can find. Scoop Jackson employeed a man called Dr. Gus Weiss. Dr. Gus Weiss used to be a neo-con, but he came out publically against the Iraq war then died in mysterious circumstances and his death has been laid at Bolton's doorstep by people who think Bolton is the anti-Christ with a bad temper. I just think this is an interesting link for anyone like me who is wondering why the CIA raided Scoop Jackson's archives when they did. Maybe Weiss mentioned stuff that he learned about Iraq and Sadaam while working with Jackson.

Here is the link I found.

http://www.onlinejournal.org/Special_Reports/042105Madsen/042105madsen.html

And for anyone who missed it, here is the CIA raiding a dead man's archive:

http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/05/02/15/100loc_jackson001.cfm


THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MAIIN THREAD. THIS IS FOR TRIVIA BUFFS ONLY.

PS. Ooooo. In this scenerio, I know what the CIA would have removed. Since Scoop Jackson was a Neo-con granddaddy, he would have been one of the original people who dreamed up the idea of taking over Iraq for its oil. So, Gus Weiss could have told people at the administration "I remember when my boss Scoop Jackson used to talk about how we should find some pretence for invading Iraq to take over its oil fields in order to secure the US's oil supply. That is all you guys are doing. I'm gonna tell on you." The administration would not like it if documents from say the late 1970's or early 1980's by Scoop Jackson outlining that kind of plan were to be found. Maybe that is what the CIA took.

[Gabi Hayes]

12. blah blah blah....a Princeton C student produced plans for a nuke

like decades ago

the PROBLEM is getting fissionable material

and you don't think the Iranians weren't in the pipeline from that Pakistani "father of the Islam Bomb?"

this is just more scare the hell out of the moransheeple stuff, straight out of the yellowcake book

>>>In 1976 a Princeton junior named John Aristotle Phillips wrote a paper so engaging that it had to be classified by the Federal Government and Pakistani agents tried to kidnap him. Phillips' paper, which showed how easy it would be for a rogue group to build a suitcase-size nuclear bomb, used source material that was all public but when assembled into one piece became a top-secret document. The story of his project and the security concerns it raised went nuclear in the national press. He got an A.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=John+Aristotle+Phillips&btnG=Google+Search


>>>>>Wiki: John Aristotle Phillips, known as the A-Bomb Kid, was a junior undergraduate at Princeton University in 1977 when he designed a nuclear weapon using publicly-available books and papers.

Phillips was an underachieving student who played the tiger mascot at Princeton games. Hoping to stay at the school, he proposed a term paper outlining the design for an atomic bomb similar to the Nagasaki weapon. Though Phillips was under the supervision of Freeman Dyson, the story was widely circulated in exaggerated form. Nevertheless, the FBI confiscated Phillips's term paper and a mock-up he had constructed in his dormitory room. Phillips and a co-author published his story as Mushroom: The True Story of the A-Bomb Kid (ISBN 0671827316 / ISBN 0688033512) Phillips parlayed his celebrity into a brief career as an anti-nuclear activist, ran for Congress, and became an inventor and entrepreneur.

[slaveplanet]

13. Why would the CIA rely on some Soviet

double Agent to deliver the crucial info?

Hell. they printed the documents on their own OFFICIAL website...so , not only Iran could have it...any frickin terra klan with 2 nickles to rub together can also have it.

The Bill Hicks Dirty Harry analogy is perfect...pick it up punk! make my day !


remember this Kurt Pitzer piece in Sept. Mother Jones?

Note that the CIA posted information on its website that could prove “incredibly useful” to anyone seeking to develop WMD’s. “On June 26, the CIA posted a press release about Obeidi's cache—the most valuable WMD evidence the U.S. has yet obtained in Iraq—on its official website. It also put up digital photos of the components and even one of the key centrifuge diagrams. The pictures, which Albright says could be ‘incredibly useful’ to any regime trying to start a covert nuclear program, were online for almost a week-long enough to be downloaded and made freely available on the Internet—before the agency took them down. Literally buried for 12 years, some of Saddam's hoard of nuclear knowledge got out because of the U.S. government, not in spite of it.


Yup ...It's ALL Clinton's fault

[McCamy Taylor]

14. If the world isnt scary enough, the CIA will make it that way.

:scared:

I think the public is going to yawn about the nuke plans, too, since we have all grown up knowing that we can download plans from the internet.