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David in Canada Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 02:11 PM
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Unconfirmed- Leading Shi段te leader Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani is dead
Ayatollah al-Sistani - Dead?

25 December 2006; 0900 Hours ET: We are picking up unconfirmed reports that leading Shi'ite leader Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani is dead. This hasn稚 been confirmed yet by any of the major news services at this time. We will continue to monitor this as this could be a major event in the ongoing bloody conflict between Sunni Muslims and Shi段te Muslims in the Baghdad area and across Iraq.

MORE HERE...

NOTE: I can't vouch for the veracity of this report but wanted to post it to you as a head's up...

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 02:14 PM
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1. Sunday, December 24, 2006
Sistani Rejects New Sunni-Shiite Coalition
6 Dead in Samawa Clashes
47 Bodies in Baghdad

Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani has rejected a plan for a new coalition in the Iraqi parliament that would ally the Shiite Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq with the Sunni Arab Iraqi Islamic Party and the Kurdistan Alliance. The plan aimed at isolating the 32 Sadrist members of parliament and depriving them of the ability to bring down the prime minister. The Sadrists follow young Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, whose Mahdi Army paramilitary has emerged as a major security threat to Baghdad.

A delegation of mainly Da`wa Party members went to the Grand Ayatollah about the plan, floated by friendly rival SCIRI. Sistani rejected the plan on the grounds that it would split the Shiite majority. A coalition of Sunni Arab fundamentalists and Kurds with SCIRI would reduce the Shiites to junior partners in the government and allow the Kurds (also Sunnis) and the Sunni Arabs to dictate policy to them. Shiites are 60 percent of Iraqis, and Sistani is insistent that their majoritarian position be recognized and they receive the consequent power and influence.

Sistani's rejection of the plan, however, essentially continues to empower the Sadrists, who were let into the Shiite coalition, the United Iraqi Alliance, about a year ago and who thereby gained pivotal power within it, going on to help elect the prime minister, Nuri al-Maliki. Sistani seems more worried about Shiite-on-Shiite violence and political rivalry than he is about Shiite conflicts with Sunnis.

Negotiations between the UIA and Sadrist deputies about coming back in to an active role in the alliance and in parliament proved inconclusive on Saturday, according to al-Sharq al-Awsat in Arabic. One stumbling block is that the Sadrists want a timetable to be set for the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, whereas the top leaders of the UIA are reluctant to press the US on this front. The Sadrists had suspended their participation because of PM al-Maliki's recent meeting with Bush.

Sistani's veto puts Abdul Aziz al-Hakim in a difficult position. He is a relatively junior cleric and mainly a politician, and does not have the standing openly to repudiate a ruling from Sistani. On the other hand, Sistani depends heavily for his security on the Badr Corps of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq, which al-Hakim leads. Still and all, it would be a major change in power dynamics in Iraqi religious politics if al-Hakim defied Sistani on this matter. He would risk losing face if a significant number of UIA MPs declined to join him in this defiance.

http://www.juancole.com/2006/12/sistani-rejects-new-sunni-shiite.html
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 02:16 PM
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2. If this is true it moves Sadr into the top position.....
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stonecoldsober Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 02:20 PM
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3. I wonder if there will be some blood shed over this....
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 02:27 PM
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5. I worried about him after it appeared he was trying to
form a dialog to end the violence.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 02:22 PM
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4. Waiting for more news on this before speculation ......
but rut row.......
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 02:40 PM
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6. When the Shi'ites find out James Brown is also dead, it's going to get REAL ugly. n/t
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 02:42 PM
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7. Coicidence? or cruel plot?
:rofl:

the news bunny I heard (James brown) commented, almost in passing, that "now the scheduled concerts would probably be cancelled" :rofl::wtf:
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 02:48 PM
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8. Who said the MSM
doesn't have a sensayuma?
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 04:22 PM
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15. Ya think?
:crazy:
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RDANGELO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 03:03 PM
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9. Regrettable ,but predictable
Al-Sistani was one stabilizing force in Iraq. His death is will stir more violence, especially if it was unnatural. Al-Sadr us power hungry psychopath , and we know what Bush-co is capable of. If this was an assassination, its 50 - 50 on which group killed him.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 03:04 PM
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10. Oh boy, this isn't going to end well. n/t
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 03:09 PM
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11. He's always been the sanest man in that country. I'll pray this is wrong.
He's been such an important and moderating voice there--like Martin Luther King, Billy Graham, and the Pope all rolled up into one. If he's lost, that country has more to worry about. If he was murdered, may God help all of them.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 03:13 PM
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12. Uh this link is to some right wing
shit. What is the deal with this site and why would any sane progressive go to a site with asshole savage links on it?
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Buck Rabbit Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 03:16 PM
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13. It is one wierd site. Many main links on it are to blank pages.
Edited on Mon Dec-25-06 03:19 PM by Buck Rabbit
And the editorials are umm .. interesting.
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mn9driver Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 04:13 PM
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14. This site is run by nutbags.
Some of the more extreme right wingers I encounter like to use it as a source. It is crap, through and through:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Intelligence_Network
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