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Don_1967 Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:03 PM
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A U.S. military 'at its breaking point' considers foreign recruits
The armed forces, already struggling to meet recruiting goals, are considering expanding the number of noncitizens in the ranks, including disputed proposals to open recruiting stations overseas and put more immigrants on a faster track to U.S. citizenship if they volunteer, according to Pentagon officials.
Full Story:http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/12/26/news/military.php
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:05 PM
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1. Incidentally, the Army claims it's smashed its recruiting goals, doesn't it?
So it's meeting goals but "struggling" to do so?
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:12 PM
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2. yes, and morale is high
I heard that on the news. That's what the troops told bush.



Cher
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 09:08 PM
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12. I guarantee * didn't get that info from our local troops -
the 172nd Stryker Brigade members I've spoken to are, to a troop, anti-Bush, anti-Iraq and say morale is at an all-time low, particularly outside the Green Zone.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:14 PM
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3. The Hessians may still be available.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:17 PM
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4. I remember Bush making a statement in a speech or conference
Edited on Tue Dec-26-06 07:19 PM by higher class
(speech, I believe) that African peace keeping soldiers would be a good deal. Only mentioned men.

This was after the deaths of our kids was mounting. My first and only thought - he considers Africans as dispensable.
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Shoedogg Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:20 PM
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5. Man, I am a paranoid bastard...
All I could think when I read this is, "Gee, I bet they'd be a lot more compliant towards orders to fire on Americans if ordered to do so than would American troops."
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:22 PM
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6. In related news: 'Dubai firm to handle U.S. overseas recruiting goals...'
News at eleven!
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:27 PM
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7. Is this ...
the *ultimate* outsourcing?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:32 PM
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8. It's already being done
apparently right under our noses. I've met some of them personally. I don't know why this is coming out now as "news" and the rhetoric of "considering" being used.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:44 PM
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9. Because until now
at least officially only foreginers who had a green card served in the military, and were liable to the draft too

Now we are going to openly go recruit a foreign legion
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:59 PM
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10. I was waiting for this to happen...
And I knew it was only days away when I read last week how Bush wants to increase the size of the military.
I said to sweetie "Just watch. Real soon they'll start talking about enlisting foreigners."
And there it is!
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 08:37 PM
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11. That way, when a soldier gets killed,
it will matter even less than it already does to most Americans.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 09:13 PM
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13. A sign of a society in decline.
Hiring mercenaries.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 09:14 PM
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14. Stealing jobs Americans won't do?
The irony is too delicious. Better killers than lettuce pickers.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 09:38 PM
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15. When an empire can't get its own citizens to fight...
...you know it's in its dying days. Rome, Britain and so goes the USA.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 12:10 AM
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18. I wouldn't disagree with you on that
As it's well known that the U.S. has been on the decline since the early seventies.

On the other hand, it could also be the most stark evidence ever that we have an administration that absolutely does not have the support of the people. It cannot get its own people to fight for its objectives. It does have the power to spend the people's money, so it spends it paying foreigners to achieve those objectives.

Either way or both, it's highly dysfunctional. Outright sick, actually.



Cher
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 09:52 PM
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16. Hmmm
If I remember correctly, the US has accepted non-citizens for a long time in the military, and as the article says there's places that have a fairly respect-worthy tradition of allowing non-citizens on-board. On the other hand, actually opening up recruitment centres abroad really feels like a mercenary sort of thing to me, even if the recruits would be under military discipline.

That said, if they do that sort of thing, and the recruits do their tour and get discharged honorably at the end of it, I can't say I have much of a problem with them getting fast-tracked to citizenship. I'm not sure what I think about the idea of their enlisting in the first place, but if they're going to put their heads on the chopping block in this day and age they damn well deserve some recognition by the Pentagon for doing so.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 09:57 PM
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17. outsourcing the military now? what bastards this regime is,
they just want to privatize everything don't they?
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 12:55 AM
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19. Foederati , fighters from outlying tribes and nations were used
by the Roman Empire in its dying days. Eventually these foreign units became the vast majority of Rome's military. In time they turned on Rome.
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