Nutmegger
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Wed Dec-27-06 04:36 PM
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Tricky Dick was a criminal and a thug. |
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And he needed his ass in a prison garb and thrown into a cell.
Healing me ass. You want to "heal" the nation? Then demonstrate to the American people that when a President engages in criminal activity, then he needs to be held accountable.
Image if Shrub got pardoned, how would you feel? Uprooting all the Iraq crap, LIES and criminal behavior would dominate the political affairs of the country but what's more important? Moving past the lies or holding the whole cabal accountable for their actions, for what they did to the Constitution and the American people?
I'll never overlook the pardon. Never.
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BushOut06
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Wed Dec-27-06 04:41 PM
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1. I'm afraid that's exactly what would happen |
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Even if Bush and Cheney are impeached, and Pelosi becomes President, I'm sure that she would extend a pardon to both of them for any wrongdoing. It would be part of the "healing" process, to "unite" the country.
A load of BULLSHIT if you ask me, but the precedent has already been set.
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Wed Dec-27-06 04:44 PM
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3. Just what I was thinking |
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The MOST important thing on EARTH is the politicians JOB, you know. Not justice or actual Americans or anything silly like that. Gotta make sure that no precedent is set that THEY ever have to pay for fucking up a country or stealing us blind or or or...
AMERICA-you can't handle the truth!
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Wed Dec-27-06 04:41 PM
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2. Our long national nightmare would be over... |
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wouldn't it?
"Ford did what he had to do" my ass. The next president will be saddled with Bushco's trial, does that suddenly make a theoretical pardon of Chimpy a good idea?
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uppityperson
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Wed Dec-27-06 04:46 PM
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4. Nixon was a paranoid little politician but he was no bush. |
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Mrbush far outweighs Nixon, far far far.
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MrCoffee
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Wed Dec-27-06 04:51 PM
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5. Ford's primary reason for The Pardon is equally applicable now |
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Edited on Wed Dec-27-06 05:18 PM by MrCoffee
The investigation was taking a huge chunk of time out of governing, and he wanted to move past it and get on with the buisiness of the country. So he cut the Gordian knot with The Pardon.
That rationale will be just as viable in 2009, when the next President is sworn in. It was a practical move to free up the Office of the President for other issues of national importance.
I mean no offense, i'm just missing the point of your analogy, i think.
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Wed Dec-27-06 04:54 PM
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6. No, that is like saying prosecuting a person for speeding is same as for murder |
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some pay off, some don't. Nixon was no bush.
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Wed Dec-27-06 05:15 PM
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8. Are you saying that prosecuting Nixon wouldn't have paid off? |
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I'm confused by your analogy. My point wasn't to the guilt or relative criminality of Nixon or Chimpy, but rather to the justification by the President as to pardoning a past officeholder.
The justification used by Ford, that the investigation was occupying too much of the President's time, will in all likelihood be equally valid for the 44th President.
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Thu Dec-28-06 05:03 PM
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11. OK, I get what you mean and yes, that is what I meant, relativeness of crimes |
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Too many people see Nixon as the epitome of evil, and compare his crimes to Mr.bush's and I have gotten arghy towards them. Sorry. Based on how things were at the time, my memory as a young adult, I think prosecuting Nixon would've accomplished little else for the time, money, energies tied up in it when other things (getting out of Viet Nam) were more pressing issues. Now, looking back? I still don't know. I think he did not get held to his crimes enough, but life isn't always fair and having him be as disgraced as he was (even now, people think he was so evil, did so many bad things that you can trace back to even Kennedy/LBJ days) was fitting.
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Wed Dec-27-06 07:14 PM
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10. I felt Nixon was run by Nixon, not by a Consortium based on Evil and Greed |
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Wed Dec-27-06 04:57 PM
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7. The long nightmare of Vietnam was adamantly supported by Ford. |
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Until Congress forced an end to it.
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Wed Dec-27-06 05:25 PM
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9. I remember when Ford pardoned Nixon |
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It was during the '76 campaign. My dad, who was a lawyer and a political observer since he was a
kid in school when Harding and Coolidge were Prez, heard the news about the pardon.
Dad said, "He just lost the election!!!" and he was right.
Carter won.
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