What if Saddam didn't do it?

[trumad]

just askin...

[MrCoffee]

1. do what?

[trumad]

2. exactly...

[MrCoffee]

4. oh yeah, now i get it.

then this would be bad

[nini]

3. Do what?

:evilgrin:

[WI_DEM]

5. I oppose capital punishment--period, so I oppose his hanging

[Redstone]

6. He did it. And now he gets to pay.

Redstone

[Matariki]

7. In detail - what has he done that George Bush hasn't?

torture? rape? killing civilians? chemical warfare?

[Redstone]

8. And because bush did it too, it's OK for him to have done it?

Two wrongs not making a right, and all that.

Redstone

[Matariki]

10. No, I didn't say that.

[Bluerthanblue]

15. if two wrongs don't make one right, then

how is killing someone as punishment for killing someone-else 'right'?

As my children and i say when we hear this kind of double standard- "I TOLD YOU NOT TO HIT!!!" being spoken while slapping the shit out of your kids is pretty pathetic-

If we don't approve of an action, why imitate it?

nothing personal Redstone- i know a lot of people see it as you do-

[Redstone]

20. Actually, I don't think they should kill him. Life in solitary would be MUCH more suffering,

and he deserves to suffer. A quick death is too kind.

Redstone

[lapfog_1]

9. One thing he did for sure

was the personal selection of suspected non-loyal Baathists and their subsequent executions by firing squad. Much like Stalin who he emulated (and Hitler too), Saddam had his own "night of the long knives".

It's also pretty much a open and shut case about his use of WMDs (back when he had them) in the form of chemical weapons against the Kurds.

I don't mind him being convicted and put away.
I just don't like the whole "show trial" done by our puppets. It smacks of Soviet style show trials. Saddam should have been tried at the Hague like other dictators before him. In any event, the Shia Iraqis are making a mistake by executing him. And there will always be questions which we won't be able to ask now (and that's the point, which leads everyone to believe that THIS is the real reason to rush to execute, before someone - like say a member of the majority party in Congress - asks those questions.

[LTR]

11. When's the Judith Regan interview?

The moment I saw the headline, I knew it had to be a Trumad thread.

:rofl:

[Lipton64]

12. What do you mean? He's killed scores of people.....

Even he's admitted to ordering the massacres and if he didn't then he obviously didn't have control over the generals who did.

Executing him one way or the other was eventually going to happen The Shia would have turned on us unless we would have given them the chance for revenge - which they're getting now.

[rman]

13. yeah well,

Bush killed many more.

[Lipton64]

18. I'm not sure

Dubya's killed at least 100K in Iraq but I don't know the exact kill numbers of both asshats. Thinking about such things makes me need Prozac so I don't really like thinking about such things. I just cynically pointed out that unless we gave the Shiites and the Kurds their chance of revenge then I don't think they would have worked with us. They want their revenge at almost all cost and while I don't support the death penalty I think sadly it may have been a necessary foreign policy move in order to keep the junkyard dogs dazed and tranquilized a little longer....

[leesa]

42. You don't try and execute prisoners of war. He should be under Geneva

Convention protection. He should be tried elsewhere where his lawyers aren't being whacked. It was a phony trial and they are killing him to dispose of a witness who knows where many of the Crime Family bodies are buried.
The Iraqis aren't stupid people. They know what's going on here and they aren't going to be real thrilled. He wasn't even tried for the crimes we were screaming about because we knew we would be implicated at the trial if he were tried for them.

[matcom]

14. well he DIDN'T "gas the Kurds"

but he did plenty of other stuff

and yes. i do KNOW this and no, i'll not tell you HOW i know it

[Balbus]

16. That's enough for me, then...

[geek tragedy]

37. Yes he did. You are woefully misinformed. eom

[Balbus]

17. He did it.

Don't worry your little head over it.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

19. Oh For Christ's Sake. Oh Lord, Please Make It Stop. Please.

Please, dear Lord, make these ridiculous premises disappear. Please Lord, may I look towards this site and not see members defending Saddam as if he's innocent. Please lord, heed my prayer and guide those who would think so for a second into the light, that Saddam's a piece of shit. Please Lord. And Please forgive them for such absurdity, for they know not what they do.

[mainegreen]

21. You win.

Funniest post of the day.
:rofl:

:thumbsup:

I'm just hoping it's because they're sticklers of the appeals process.

[Moochy]

30. Or some are opposed to the Death Penalty

...even in our brand new client-states.

Two Minutes of Hate Program

Before the Hate had proceeded for thirty seconds, uncontrollable exclamations of rage were breaking out from half the people in the room. The self-satisfied sheep-like face on the screen, and the terrifying power of the Eurasian army behind it, were too much to be borne: besides the sight or even the thought of Goldstein produced fear and anger automatically. He was an object of hatred more constant than either Eurasia or Eastasia, since when Oceania was at war with one of these Powers it was generally at peace with the other. But what was strange was that although Goldstein was hated and despised by everybody, although every day and a thousand times a day, on platforms, on the telescreen, in newspapers, in books, his theories were refuted, smashed, ridiculed, held up to the general gaze for the pitiful rubbish that they were - in spite of all this, his influence never seemed to grow less. Always there were fresh dupes waiting to be seduced by him. A day never passed when spies and saboteurs acting under his directions were not unmasked by the Thought Police. He was the commander of a vast shadowy army, an underground network of conspirators dedicated to the overthrow of the State.

[kentuck]

24. There's a lot of "pieces of shit" in the world..

How many lives is Saddam worth?

[Bluerthanblue]

26. if you are asking the

Christ you speak of- then please step back, and rethink your words-

The mercy you show to others, is the mercy you desire for yourself-
What ever you do to the 'least of these'- (i believe that would be what people often see as the 'scum of the earth'- for you that is Saddam- for some it is * for others it is me- or you- or Jesus himself)
you ask to be done unto yourself OMC-

i am learning that anger, and actions are best handled with great care

we ALL need forgiveness, and our eyes see things through our own pair of dimes
peace,
blu

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

27. To Be Forgiven, One Must Ask For Or Seek Out Such Forgiveness.

Saddam has done neither.

Thanks.

[Bluerthanblue]

28. don't mean to get

all 'religious' on you but if you are going to wait for others to ask for forgiveness in order to give it- you are going to be the biggest loser-

i learned this lesson the hard way- the hardest way there is. Forgiving someone is more about our own mind than anyone elses actions.

And there is a marked difference between forgiving someone and enabling them to continue doing things that are harmful to them, and their victims.

For example, a person who cannot stop abusing children should be kept away from children, for their sake and the sake of children in general.(not wanting someone who has harmed others to have done to them, what they have done to others- not wanting an eye for an eye- is what i call forgiveness)

If you believe in the sacrifice of Christ, when did he die for the sins of humanity? after all was said and done? or before many people were even born?-

There are wrongs i've done to others, i'm sure i don't realize- i hope that they don't carry this burden around with them for life, because i've not realized what i've done- just as others who i've forgiven without any actions on their part- who are either unaware or unable to understand the harm they did- need forgiveness, and i need to stop carrying the baggage that comes with the scars.

peace,
blu

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

29. True Enough.

I do agree almost wholeheartedly with what you're saying. I forgive everyone for almost everything whether they ask or not. I never hold grudges and find it unproductive to do so. So I definitely hear what you're sayin and can relate to where you're coming from.

I do want to clarify that I am not christian, though. But I do find much pure wisdom in many of his words. And you're right, I'd probably be a better person by turning the other cheek to Saddam and I'll admit that to be so, but also will admit that I am by no means perfect, though I strive to be, and under such premise cannot forgive Saddam for his transgressions against so many innocents. Therefore, though I'd agree with you that I'd be the better man for forgiving him etc, I still can't help but hope he rots in hell. Like I said: I'm not perfect; yet. Please forgive me for that LOL

:)

[Bluerthanblue]

31. we all need

to be kinder to each other- and as for perfect, i can 'imagine' that world, but i am far from it myself.
As long as we can see our shortcomings and not deny or hide them, theres hope for us-
and where there is hope, there is reason to keep dreaming and believing - no matter what people say-

peace-
to us all

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

32. I Like You. :o)

Peace to you as well.

[trumad]

38. And as usual it goes right over your fucking head.

I had you on ignore but unignored you because I needed a shot of ignorance.

Thanks

[kentuck]

22. I am amazed at the thought processes of some DUers...

They are like sheep, believe everything they are told by the propagandists, and have no ability to reason...

[Bluerthanblue]

25. you are a dreamer Kentuck

and i am too-

we want to believe that there is such a thing as a 'perfect' community-
DU is no different than any other cross-section of this world- everyone needs a villian- everyone needs a scapegoat, a 'sin-eater'-

And until that day we imagine comes, we just have to keep remembering that 'they' are 'us' and 'we' are 'them' till there really is no 'division' between the two-

and the world will live as ONE

if we want it

war is over

let it be

[Moochy]

33. "Thought Process"

I think that term is a bit too generous... Its more akin to an involuntary muscle reaction.

I honestly feel that many posters who run from the now-reclaimed but once demonized terms like "liberal" are just adherents to the strong paternal model but within a democratic framework. They know that the (R) party is the wrong choice, but still are unable to make the decisions that will benefit their own interests, or the commons. Because instead of real news, we get Public Relations: a skewed pack of lies that we all are subject to, when we consume media at the Big Media trough.

DONT THINK OF AN ELEPHANT. too late. :D

[trumad]

40. They lack big picture skills

and the ability to separate propaganda from reality.

Most importantly---they still believe their Government which is a laugher right there.

[sweetheart]

23. who gave him chemical weapons?

Punish the terrorist labs!! get after those chemical makers!

Who gave him all those T-55's, get after those russian tankers!

Ford gives nixon a pardon, and saddam gets the axe!

Justice is done on a planet in another galaxy as it is consumed by its superheated starmate.

What if rumsfeld did it... but then, we already know that. :-)

[Cleita]

34. Even if he did, GWB has more death on his hands than

Saddam does now. If it's ever proved that Bush colluded on 9-11, he will have outdone Saddam on "killing his own people" talking point.

[BoneDaddy]

35. Saddam was a piece of shit

He was OUR piece of shit that we used, abused just like he did his "rape rooms" and "attrocities" were ours as well.

What he did, he did with our knowledge, consent and blessing.

[Raine]

36. No tears or sympathy

from me regarding Saddam's demise but I think it would've been better for him to rot away in jail. Executing him is real convenient for keeping all his dealings with the USA and the BFEE secret.

[leesa]

39. The point of the execution is to destroy a witness against the Bush Crime Family

[trumad]

41. Or else his trial would have been in the world court.

oh---they wouldn't want that now would they.