THIS IS SO F*CKIN" DISGUSTING!- US MEDIA DEATH ORGY

[Jcrowley]

Look at that appalling image msnbc has up there. Unbelievable yet fully expected vulgarity. Here comes the macabre media death orgy. Have they arranged for the hanging to be in prime time with a full media build-up? Lots of previews please. Can we get Janet Jackson in tights singing 'America The Beautiful' followed by a few emotional human interest stories of Saddam as a kid told by the fireside before they yank the chain and snap his neck?

This is some really dark shit folks.

[madeline_con]

1. DUPE alert

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2993308&mesg_id=2993308

[Jcrowley]

3. Yes I saw that

That's why I posted in response to the disgusting image as well as making my statement as well as Rec'ding other thread.

Beyond the pale don't ya' think?

[damntexdem]

18. OK, so tell me:

why are they planning to hang Jerry Ford?

[Benhurst]

16. Yeah, it's tasteless and vulgar; but then life is cheap in BushAmerican. NT

[Infinite Hope]

2. I don't see anything the big deal. It's no conspiracy. It's about drama to build ratings.

Sure, it's not the best journalism, but that's our reality. There's certainly no conspiracy behind it or anything.

[Jcrowley]

5. Noone

said a word about conspiracy. Where'd you come up with that? Is that some instant reflex? Weird.

If that's our reality then it's obvious what has become accepted as normalcy is beyond the pale batshit pathological insanity.

[Infinite Hope]

21. I never said anyone said that.

I merely stated that it's not a conspiracy (an extreme) and isn't biased, but rather it's common practice in dramatizing the news.

[knowledgeispwr]

4. Chill. n/t

[Jcrowley]

6. You're not disturbed by this?

It was nearly eleven hundred, and in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT, they were dragging the chairs out of the cubicles and grouping them in the centre of the hall opposite the big telescreen, in preparation for the Two Minutes Hate.

The next moment a hideous, grinding speech, as of some monstrous machine running without oil, burst from the big telescreen at the end of the room. It was a noise that set one's teeth on edge and bristled the hair at the back of one's neck. The Hate had started. As usual, the face of Emmanuel Goldstein, the Enemy of the People, had flashed on to the screen. There were hisses here and there among the audience. Goldstein was the renegade and backslider who once, long ago (how long ago nobody quite remembered), had been one of the leading figures of the Party, almost on a level with BIG BROTHER himself, and then had engaged in counter-revolutionary activities, had been condemned to death and had mysteriously escaped and disappeared.

The programmes of the Two Minutes Hate varied from day to day, but there was none in which Goldstein was not the principal figure. He was the primal traitor, the earliest defiler of the Party's purity. All subsequent crimes against the Party, all treacheries, acts of sabotage, heresies, deviations, sprang directly out of his teaching. Somewhere or other he was still alive and hatching his conspiracies: perhaps somewhere beyond the sea, under the protection of his foreign paymasters, perhaps even - so it was occasionally rumoured - in some hiding-place in Oceania itself.

http://www.orwelltoday.com/twominutes.shtml

Amazing that folks can accept this and just chill. That in itself is quite disturbing.

[zeemike]

15. Let's face it

Orwell gave them a blueprint for how to control the masses and retain power. I am sure that is not what he intended to do but never the less here it is today right in our face.

[leftchick]

17. Extremely Disturbing

and considering no M$M has mentioned Saddam's friendship with the US at the time of his "atrocities" (atrocities compared to bush killing 1 million Iraqis seems absurd). It is sickening the misinformation on our TVs.

:puke:

[knowledgeispwr]

23. No, I'm not.

What's wrong with "Date with Death"? Does those words show a preference for hate or death? Not to me. Should MSNBC not say anything at all about the execution? Should they not cover it? It's news, so they should cover it.

Now broadcasting the actual execution, be it on TV or Internet, that would be sick.

Simply reporting the story is not.

[Jcrowley]

24. Wow

Sensationalizing a hanging with rhythmic catch phrases and a purposefully belligerent picture is okay with you?

Step outside the media hologram.

This is just another example of the national mass psychosis. In a society that was even marginally sane this would be unacceptable.

[knowledgeispwr]

25. It's catching the readers attention...

Since we live in a society where many people don't pay very much attention to current events unless it's directly affecting them, the media has to find ways to attract potential viewers.

It's marketing information in order to inform the public.

[Jcrowley]

31. True

and that is extremely deranged and manipulative. It is a controlling mechanism that Orwell warned us about.

But false that the intent is to inform the public. If that were the case then we would be getting analysis that would 'inform' the public of how Saddam came to power at least and better yet give a deeper explanation as to why Saddam was installed and who he tried to assassinate and who gave him the bullets.

It's marketing information to be sure and that is disgusting in itself. It's intent is to DISINFORM the public and that is doubly disgusting.

It's propaganda. As usual.

[Infinite Hope]

34. Even if the graphic was wrong, it's inaccurate to say ...

... the "intent" is to misinform*. Perhaps that's the effect, but effect does not equal intent. The intent is to create a catch phrase.

The only thing "wrong" with that graphic it seems is the catch phrase. And there's no conspiracy in alliteration. If so, I better learn to hate the great poets.

[Jcrowley]

36. Oh

Look at what a former New York Times Journalist John Swinton was saying about journalism all the way back in 1880 in free America:

“I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone.”

“The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?”

“We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.”

Same as it ever was.

:hi:

[Infinite Hope]

38. That's one man's opinion...

...from a long long time ago and while much of the media (especially FOX News) still does that, it doesn't mean that's always the situation. That's flawed logic and reductionism.

[Jcrowley]

39. "The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them know anything about the subject."

"The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them know anything about the subject."

Marcus Aurelius, Roman Emperor from 121-180 A.D. and Stoic philosopher

" The corporate grip on opinion in the United States is one of the wonders of the Western world. No First World country has ever managed to eliminate so entirely from its media all objectivity - much less dissent. "

Gore Vidal, novelist and critic

" I know of no country in which there is so little independence of mind and real freedom of discussion as in America. "

Alexis de Tocqueville, 1805 - 1859, French political thinker and author of Democracy in America

"As long as people are marginalized and distracted have no way to organize or articulate their sentiments, or even know that others have these sentiments. People assume that they are the only people with a crazy idea in their heads. They never hear it from anywhere else. Nobody's supposed to think that. ... Since there's no way to get together with other people who share or reinforce that view and help you articulate it, you feel like an oddity, an oddball. So you just stay on the side and you don't pay any attention to what's going on. You look at something else, like the Superbowl."

Noam Chomsky

" Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the media."

Noam Chomsky

" ... the media in the United States effectively represents the interests of corporate America, and ... the media elite are the watchdogs of what constitutes acceptable ideological messages, the parameters of news and information content, and the general use of media resources.

Peter Phillips, Project Censored, 1998

" I have the greatest admiration for your propaganda. Propaganda in the West is carried out by experts who have had the best training in the world -- in the field of advertizing -- and have mastered the techniques with exceptional proficiency ... Yours are subtle and persuasive; ours are crude and obvious ... I think that the fundamental difference between our worlds, with respect to propaganda, is quite simple. You tend to believe yours ... and we tend to disbelieve ours. "

a Soviet correspondent based five years in the U.S.

"The American propaganda system is not centrally programmed as it is in a totalitarian state. Instead it permeates the culture, the media, and the institutions. Individuals who point out unpleasant realities of current or past American behavior are often subjected to social pressures and treated as pariahs. They are disturbers of the dream."

William H. Boyer

[Infinite Hope]

40. Again, we know there's plenty of propaganda. That doesn't mean everything is.

It's a ratings ploy. In that respect, yes, it's very sick. But it's a ratings ploy. Reductionism is your argument.

[Infinite Hope]

28. (Link)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3032271

[Countdown_3_2_1]

7. The Old West had Hangin Parties.

This is just another one. Look for the video to hit youtube 12 hours later.

[malaise]

10. Lynching 2006 style

How evil are these people.

[stillcool]

12. Isn't that the not too...

distant south? I guess some folk will be entertained after all.:puke:

[Tuesday_Morning]

8. It's vulgar.

Ugly. Sickening.

[malaise]

9. I agree with you 100%

I want no part of this shit. This is another attempt to upstage the Democratic Congress come next week. Fugg these war criminals.

[stillcool]

11. I haven't been able to stomach..

the media for some time now...yet...as I type David Gergen is in the background from hubby's tv. It is way beyond the pale, that knowing what we do now, the corpwhores would glorify his death in any way. They could very well be looking at themselves for their own complicity in hundreds of thousands of deaths. I wonder what the real Iraqi justice will look like.

[AlienAvatar]

13. "Unbelievable yet fully expected vulgarity."

Perfect description. Seems to happen a lot. It's very well received.

[AlCzervik]

14. pretty gross but really not surprising.

[tularetom]

19. If they wait they can do it at halftime of the sooper bowl

and when they make the movie Mel Gibson should play Hussein. The resemblance is uncanny.

[Cleita]

20. I just heard that it was going to be shown live on the internet.

I don't know if they have the balls to do it on cable TV. Why don't they just do it as part of the half-time show at the Rose Bowl game and get their goulish delight out there for everyone to see? This is disgusting.

[Infinite Hope]

22. THIS is the part that's sick. The phrase used in the Dateline flier doesn't bother me.

It's just usual media drama. But broadcasting? Sick.

[NoPasaran]

26. Graphics, shmaphics

Does it have its own theme music?

[Neecy]

27. Disgusting

I thought the public display of the dead bodies of his sons pretty much demonstrated what barbarians we've become, but I get the feeling we'll soon be bombarded with images far more graphic and disgusting. All of this bloodlust against an 'enemy' who was actually our friend while he committed the crimes he's going to die for.

I'll bet Bush gets a total woody from the execution. Another reason to feel ill about this.

[Infinite Hope]

29. I agree, showing the bodies was disgusting. But...

this graphic display of Saddam waving his finger in a court of law clearly crosses the line of barbarism. :sarcasm:

[Neecy]

30. um....

I wasn't referring to the photo in the OP - I said that "soon" we'll be bombarded with graphic images of Saddam's death. You can put away the sarcasm icon for a bit...

[Trajan]

33. I think he was joking when he said ...

"this graphic display of Saddam waving his finger in a court of law clearly crosses the line of barbarism." ... hence the sarcasm emote ....

[Infinite Hope]

35. So when you replied to the main post with "Disgusting" you weren't referring to the main post? n/t

[Neecy]

42. Not to the photo, no.

But I fully agree that the 'media death orgy' IS disgusting. I don't recall ever seeing such bloodlust in our national news media. Unspoken, of course, is the morality of invading a country for no reason whatsoever, murdering the leader of that country and his family and unleashing a torrent of violence and death on that country's citizens. None of them are mentioning that - they're too obsessed with giving us graphic details of what a death by hanging will be like. This is one sick fucking country.

[Higans]

32. Will it be on Pay Perview???? N/T

[StrictlyRockers]

37. It is gross the way this country is addicted to selling death...and buying it.

So gross.

Anyone who is not offended has only become inured through repetition, IMHO.

SR

[aaronbees]

41. It's a sickness

I remember a newspaper copy that splashed a big damn headline the day after Saddam Hussein was captured. In big bold letters: "We Got 'Em!" As if that meant anything .... It's the same kind of disgusting, irrelevant hyperbole here, just taken to a new level in a national illness. Sick and sensational.