Upheaval Similar to 1776 Predicted

[AnnieBW]

I just saw this article in December's Vanity Fair magazine from their astrologer. He's saying that Pluto will be entering the sign of Capricorn in 2007, and this will lead to upheavals similar to those in the 1770's-90's (American, French revolutions, etc.) Here's an excerpt:

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2006/12/lutin200612?currentPage=1

Special Alert: Horoscope U.S.A.
A planetary configuration not seen since 1776 is coming our way, heralding chaos, revolution, and rebirth. Let the stars guide you through the coming storm.
by Michael Lutin

The sign of Capricorn has always been strong in our Cancer nation's horoscope, and it's going to get a lot stronger. We were born with Pluto in Capricorn, and now, more than two centuries later, Pluto is coming back to the same place. The seeds that were sown back in the 1770s are sprouting at last. That's how Pluto works, over hundreds of years.

Though Pluto has recently been demoted by astronomers to a not-quite planet, try telling that to any Sadge who's been to hell and back over the last 10 years, thanks to the passage of Pluto through Sagittarius. The power of the little dwarf is so profound and catastrophic that it doesn't matter if you call it a planet or not—it's a killer. But, oddly, it's also a healer. When Pluto moves into your sign, it threatens to devastate you emotionally and physically, letting you know along the way that you must stop whatever you are doing. However you were conducting business or your personal life, that's over. Finito. Kaput.

When you come out of a Pluto transit, you are changed forever. In another state. But during the process you don't realize what's happening. Life can get pretty dark. With Pluto, you can't look ahead. You can't be impatient. Most of all, you shouldn't be afraid, because in the end there is nothing to fear. You just have to surrender to the mysterious process of complete and total transformation. This is about to happen to the United States as we deal with an opposition of Pluto in the sign of Capricorn to our Cancer sun. And while Cancers and Capricorns will be most strongly affected by this planetary motion, we will all be touched in business as well as in our personal lives, no matter what sign we were born under. Because of Pluto's slow motion through the heavens—it takes it nearly 250 years to go through the 12 signs of the Zodiac—it rules over mass movements and great political and social changes. So it might be useful to look at what happened the last time Pluto passed over the position it holds now and will hold for the next 20 years.

(It's a long article, so I just execerpted three paragraphs.)

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. And according to the Mayan calendar, the world is supposed to end

on December 21, 2012.

And astrology is superstitious bullshit.

[PADemD]

13. On December 21, 2012...

the sun will enter the dark rift of the Milky Way in which a black hole is located. Black hole also acknowledged by astronomers in recent TV program. This is supposed to be the same location of the sun at the dawn of creation. Recommend "Maya Cosmogenesis" by John Major Jenkins.

The ancient Maya were astronomers, not astrologers, and developed a calendar system which is superior to ours.

Galactic Alignment Explanation
http://alignment2012.com/whatisGA.htm

Milky Way Black Hole Link
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/blackhole_mw_040401.html

[HeeBGBz]

20. Brings to mind a little Ziggie Stardust

Five Years
==========

Pushing thru the market square, so many mothers sighing
News had just come over, we had five years left to cry in
News guy wept and told us, earth was really dying
Cried so much his face was wet, then I knew he was not lying

I heard telephones, opera house, favourite melodies
I saw boys, toys electric irons and T.V.'s
My brain hurt like a warehouse, it had no room to spare
I had to cram so many things to store everything in there
And all the fat-skinny people, and all the tall-short people
And all the nobody people, and all the somebody people
I never thought I'd need so many people

A girl my age went off her head, hit some tiny children
If the black hadn't a-pulled her off, I think she would have killed them
A soldier with a broken arm, fixed his stare to the wheels of a Cadillac
A cop knelt and kissed the feet of a priest,
And a queer threw up at the sight of that

I think I saw you in an ice-cream parlour, drinking milk shakes cold and long
Smiling and waving and looking so fine, don't think
you knew you were in this song
And it was cold and it rained so I felt like an actor
And I thought of Ma and I wanted to get back there
Your face, your race, the way that you talk
I kiss you, you're beautiful, I want you to walk

We've got five years, stuck on my eyes
We've got five years, what a surprise
We've got five years, my brain hurts a lot
We've got five years, that's all we've got

[Triana]

22. That would be Ziggy Stardust (n/t) :)

[HeeBGBz]

24. Yeah, one of those two. n/t

[SpiralHawk]

34. That's not what traditional Mayan elders say

It's what "interpreters" of the calendars say.

The elders say the old era ended in 1987, that we entered a 25-year era of transition then, and that the new era (by their reckoning) get started Dec. 21, 2012.

http://www.chiron-communications.com/communique%207-10.html

" The Mayan calendars are an object of intense interest for many thousands of people right now, because they focus upon the watershed date of Dec. 21, 2012. Everything changes by then, it is said.


"With a cultural heritage including thousands of pyramids and temples, and a calendar that has proven itself to be astronomically accurate over millions of years, the Maya tradition is widely considered to be a mystic key to the soul of Turtle Island (North America)."

(snip)

[Generic Brad]

19. It will be the end of the world to the political losers

Will any neocons survive ideologically past 2012? Hell, they may be extinct by 2008.

[Matariki]

23. Have you SCIENTIFICALLY disproved astrology?

Done statistical analysis? Studied it enough to even know if there's anything to it or not? Read any of Jung's statistical studies on astrology? Anything?

OR - is that just your own nebulous and fuzzy opinion? What do you base it on? Feelings?

[MonkeyFunk]

29. Can you provide

a link to Jung's statistical studies on astrology? Thanks!

[Matariki]

30. I'll look. I read it in one of his books quite a while ago.

It focused on astrological patterns between married couples. He found certain patterns between charts of married couples were significantly higher than randomly paired charts.

on edit: the book title is: Synchronicity: An Acausal Connecting Principle - you can probably google the title for a synopsis somewhere.

[Dover]

35. World without end........amen

Mayan Elders:

Anthropologists visit the temple sites," Mr. Barrios says, "and read the stelas and inscriptions and make up stories about the Maya, but they do not read the signs correctly. It’s just their imagination...Other people write about prophecy in the name of the Maya. They say that the world will end in December 2012. The Mayan elders are angry with this. The world will not end. It will be transformed. The indigenous have the calendars, and know how to accurately interpret it, not others."

The calendar that has steadily drawn global attention since 1987 is called the Tzolk'in or Cholq'ij. Devised ages ago and based on the cycle of the Pleiades, it is still held as sacred.

..snip..

The date specified in the calendar — Winter Solstice in the year 2012 — does not mark the end of the world. Many outside people writing about the Mayan calendar sensationalize this date, but they do not know. The ones who know are the indigenous elders who are entrusted with keeping the tradition.

"Humanity will continue," he contends, "but in a different way. Material structures will change. From this we will have the opportunity to be more human."
We are living in the most important era of the Mayan calendars and prophecies. All the prophecies of the world, all the traditions, are converging now. There is no time for games. The spiritual ideal of this era is action.

Many powerful souls have reincarnated in this era, with a lot of power. This is true on both sides, the light and the dark. High magic is at work on both sides.
Things will change, but it is up to the people how difficult or easy it is for the changes to come about.
The economy now is a fiction. The first five-year stretch of transition — from August 1987 to August 1992 — was the beginning of the destruction of the material world. We have progressed ten years deeper into the transition phase by now, and many of the so-called sources of financial stability are in fact hollow.

The banks are weak. This is a delicate moment for them. They could crash globally if we don’t pay attention. One critical period is October and November 2002. If the banks crash in these months then we will be forced to rely on the land and our skills. The monetary systems will be in chaos, and we must then rely on our direct relationship with the Earth for our food and shelter.


The North and South Poles are both breaking up. The level of the water in the oceans is going to rise. But at the same time land in the ocean, especially near Cuba, is also going to rise.

cont'd

http://www.chiron-communications.com/communique%207-10.html

[Deja Q]

61. 12/21/2012? That's a lot of 2's and 1's...

:D

If that's when we all snuff it, fair enough.

On 12/22/2012 I'll be fornicating like it's 1999 - if anybody wants me, just like they don't now. :P

[calimary]

2. MOST intriguing.

First time since 1776? The last time we threw over a King George?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

3. My goat entrails say different. n/t

[EST]

9. Not having any goat entrails at present-last time I butchered a

goat was over twenty years ago-I use a mix of Snap-on, Matco, and Mac wrenches.
Think that will work O K?

[progressoid]

37. Bah, entrails are so unreliable.

My neighbor proved it with her crystal ball.

[Dover]

56. Capricornian goats are going to be examining their entrails alot

during Plutos passage through their sign. Just a 'gut' feeling.

Heads up for Aries, Cancers and Libras too. It'll be a cardinal signs picnic from hell.
Prepare for transformation. Out with the old...

[Gloria]

4. He's talking abou the country's Pluto return....also can manifest as deep analysis and the

purging of lots of crap....

Having met Lutin years ago at our meetings in Princeton, he can be goofy and funny, but he's also a very good astrologer.

Generally, a return can signify a revisting of issues that haven't been resolved since that last time the planet was in same position. It's another chance to gain understanding so that moving ahead can be done in positive fashion.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

6. Does it say anything about the surge? n/t

[mountainvue]

45. He's one of the best astrologers out there today. n/t

[natrat]

5. chaos revolution not sure about rebirth

[niceypoo]

7. This is about as informative as an intelligent design symposium

I cant believe that people fall for such crap.

[LSK]

8. could they be refering to Iraq???

I dont see this happening now that the Dems have Congress.

[stevebreeze]

10. does it come with an incantation?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

11. Just in time, thank god ...

Pluto was declared a non-planet, so if it enters Capricorn, it does it as just another chunk of space rock, not as a planet.

It's been marginalized, dissed, neutered.

[hootinholler]

15. When was Pluto discovered?

Wasn't it like in the last 100 years or so?

-Hoot

[pitohui]

26. in 1930 EOM

,

[hootinholler]

27. Thanks, so that means

The 'effect' of Pluto was unknown prior to 1930?

-Hoot

[Morgana LaFey]

43. and is just as powerful as ever. Sorry, but Pluto is nothing to be

sneezed at astrologically. Matters now what people call it: it's a humdinger.

[baby_mouse]

51. Yeah, and now Pluto's PISSED.

DOUBLE WHAMMY!

[JanusAscending]

12. Oh Crap !!!

I'm a Capricorn !! Can't take any more "upheavels" !! I'm too old !!

[mountainvue]

46. Actually begining in 2007, September to be more exact

things should smooth out for Caps having a tough time of it.

[JanusAscending]

52. Whew !! Then maybe it's possible to still

win the lottery, and find another "soul mate" before I die??? ('cause I sure have been having a tough time of it for the past 4 years!!):thumbsup: :hi:

[mountainvue]

57. You're talking to someone who

won the lottery. So I'd say anything's possible.B-)

[JanusAscending]

62. Cool!! Thanks

Maybe there's hope for me yet!

[originalpckelly]

14. A disturbance in the force, do I feel.

Hummmm. Yes, dark year, it will be.

[proud patriot]

16. Time to buckle up

keep your seats in an upright position .

[Mz Pip]

17. Hasn't Pluto been downgraded?

So maybe instead of a revolution and rebirth we'll just take back the White House in 2008. Good enough for me.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[pitohui]

25. yeah, pluto is not a real planet, never was, really

the astronomers waited for the discoverer to die and then officially acknowledged what we knew already --- it just ain't a real planet

methinks the astrologers should have known that in 1930 if astrology was such a much

[HeeBGBz]

18. Hey, I'm a Cancer, what? It sucks to be me?

Okay you astronomystic people out there, somebody splain it to me, please?

[CrazyForKucinich]

32. I could have figured as much.

Cancer's are so shy and in their shell they don't know what the heck is going on(don't be offended...I plan on asking a Cancer out soon...haha).

I'm getting into Astrology more than just Sun signs recently and my birthdate/place/time chart is spot freaking on with all the other cosmic bodies of mass out there.

Try it for yourself.

http://astro.cafeastrology.com/cgi-bin/astro/natal

[HeeBGBz]

53. Ooh, a new toy!

Thanks!

[Wiley50]

21. Well, Ever Since The Age Of Aquarius Didn't Come Off As Advertised

ended my brief faith in astrology,
I don't have much interest in these things.

But, if a People's Revolution is in the cards
I'm ready to ante up.

[TankLV]

31. The "Age of Aquarius" is not an exact beginning date...

That we are in the begining of the change to that "age" is likely.

The earth goes thru stages/ages that last approx. 23 to 25 hundred years or so...

That is what they talk about when they talk about entering the Age of Aquarius.

The last age was during the about the time Christ was born - when we went from the age of the Lamb (Lamb of God) to the age of the Fish (Fisher of Men)...

The time before was when we left the age of the bull (Eqypt) to the age of the Lamb (Moses)...

Each age builds upon the last...

What the OP is positing is a cycle of sorts, not an "age"...

[Morgana LaFey]

44. We've been busy making the transition to the Aquarian Age

steadily since the 1960s, and I think there were "foreshadowings" in the mid-1800s. As the other poster mentioned, it takes a while. These cosmic cycles aren't overnight phenomena, ya know.

Patience, my good man. I see more evidence all the time.

[Nikki Stone1]

47. What kind of signs have you been seeing recently?

Just curious...

[Morgana LaFey]

48. An article on the Astrology of the era in Vanity Fair is one

but there are many others similar (lots of interest in non-traditional subjects and tremendous development of disciplines which bridge the gap between esoteric/metaphysical and scientific -- the "New Physics" and psychoneuroimmunology (mind/body connection) -- AS WELL AS those that are different from those examples. I can't take a lot of time to think of and list them, but here are a couple off the top of my head:

* The increase in people who are working out of their homes and esp. working for themselves (self-employed)

* The explosion of the blogosphere (not to mention the internets), the blogosphere representing a hugely democratic and egalitarian development that gives power to the people to keep themselves informed, and takes power away from the elite so they are not as able to tell US what is and isn't important or newsworthy... and so forth.

* Increased awareness and sensitivity to the importance and sentience of animals.

* More things coming to the surface for everyone to know, despite the attempts of our leaders to keep things secret.

The people of the world world and even most in the U.S. are liberal and tend to see the U.S. for what it is (alas), and loudly and unanimously condemn our transgressions and sins against humanity.

And so forth.

[Guaranteed]

54. The Age is a thousand years. There's going to be ups and downs.

:P

[Mojorabbit]

28. It sure is as depressing read

for a 50 year old. By the time things turn around I'll be ancient.

[Dover]

33. A collection of articles on this subject by astrologers >>>

http://www.progressiveindependent.com:80/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=162&topic_id=87&mesg_id=804

[drm604]

36. There are three dwarf planets.

Ceres, Pluto, and Eris. Eris is the same size, or slightly larger, than Pluto. Shouldn't its influences be taken into effect? Does the fact that astrologers are unaware of it mean that it has no effect? What about all of the other hunks of rock in our solar system? Surely if one hunk of rock has effects than another one would. Is there something magical about the composition of those hunks that astrologers happen to be aware of?

[katamaran]

38. Pluto's been demoted, and now it's PISSED n/t

[Taxloss]

39. Previous apocalypses:

A favorite subject of prophets has always been the end of mankind and/or the demise of our planet and/or the collapse of the entire universe. Part of the technique, for some, is to place the date far enough ahead that when The End fails to arrive, the oracle is no longer around to have to explain why. Others, often to encourage the surrender of property and other worldly chattels by the Believers, prepare excuses well in advance and manage to survive the great disappointment that often follows a failed prediction. In any case, the resilient fans never discredit the notion; they merely redesign the details and settle back once more to confidently await doom.

Here is a short list of some rather interesting end-of-the-world prognostications, beginning with biblical references and ending with some contemporary seers and their doomsayings. Judging from the record earned by the soothsayers in this matter, we may safely assume that our planet will continue very much the same as it is for some considerable period into the future.

http://www.randi.org/encyclopedia/appendix3.html

[Orsino]

40. The article...

...manages to avoid making any specific predictions, while blaming pretty much anything we could want on Pluto.

It's rubbish. Must be nice to live so completely free of responsibility.

[blueButGlad]

41. An Open Letter from Benjamin Franklin

A Letter from Benjamin Franklin

I could not let the year of the 300th anniversary of my birth pass without thanking the former colonies for their many kindnesses. The postal service that I founded so long ago issued a collection of stamps bearing my rotund image. The White House honored me with a grand dinner. I was the toast of the town in Philadelphia.

However, as my birthday celebrations wind down, I ponder why it is that the country honors me, yet heeds not my words. Does no one remember my warning that if “the putting the World in order would breed Confusion; then e'en mind your own Business”? (1758) This advice was ignored and America sent her brave into futile battle half a world away, attempting to force quick democracy upon a foreign land. It must be remembered, “Sudden Power is apt to be insolent, Sudden Liberty saucy; that behaves best which has grown gradually” (1753).

Other warnings were also for naught. I said, “The second Vice is Lying; the first is Running in Debt”(1748) and I now see my beloved country doing both, having misled the citizenry about the need for war, and then cutting taxes while spending borrowed billions in Iraq. I advised that “no temporal Concern is of more Importance to us than Health and that depends so much on the Air we every Moment breathe” (1757) and yet I see the government allowing industry to help write rules that weaken plans to reduce unhealthy air.

I note with amusement and sadness that mistakes made in my own time are repeated today. Does not my observation, “Who has deceiv'd thee so oft as thy self?” (1738) apply to the current vice president? His predictions concerning Iraq, that “We will, in fact, be greeted as liberators” and that it “will go relatively quickly ... weeks rather than months”, despite warnings from intelligence and military experts saying otherwise, are worthy examples.

"He has chang'd his one ey'd horse for a blind one" (1733) tells of gross incompetence in my own day. In your time, I observed the president hiring his unqualified former campaign manager to lead your emergency management agency, only to see him replace that fellow with an unqualified Arabian horse dealer (with disastrous yet predictable results). I cautioned, “Don't overload Gratitude; if you do, she'll kick” (1741). Even so, the president declared, “Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job”.

I dropped a few allusions to your own time into my “Poor Richard’s Almanac”. Did not my words “She that paints her Face thinks of her Tail” (1736) aptly describe the self-promoting Kathleen Harris, whose actions and heavy make-up gained fame in Florida’s 2000 election? Her failed runs for higher office, despite many imploring her not to do so, give evidence to her ambitions. I asked, "Who says Jack is not generous? he is always fond of giving" (1740) and we came to see your politicians eagerly accepting cash from the generous hands of Jack Abramoff' (until his legal troubles became public). My description, "Squirrel like she covers her back with her tail" (1738), well applies to the 9/11 Commission testimony of Condoleezza Rice, as she tried to defend against accusations that the Bush administration “ignored terrorism” (Richard Clarke) prior to the 9/11 attacks. Now, as the planet warms, there is still time to pay heed to my words that "our Winters will appear as Summers" (1748), though I am not encouraged when I see the president, beholden to the oil companies, pulling the country away from efforts to deal with the changing climate.

In closing, my wish is that you who have inherited the gift of America will make use of that gift wisely. I am proud to see that I have earned a reputation for common sense and for doing good in the former colonies. My prayer is that the time will come when our nation will once again be noted for the same. After all, “a good Conscience is a continual Christmass” (1741).

“Reader farewel, all Happiness attend thee; May each New-Year, better and richer find thee.”
Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard’s Almanac, 1749

The 2007 calendar http://www.poorGeorgesAlmanac.com explores the connection between the wisdom of Franklin and the folly of Bush

[MonkeyFunk]

49. Franklin was honored

at a dinner at the White House?

In addition to bifocals and the Franklin stove, we can add "time machine".

[blueButGlad]

59. yes, a dinner was held to honor him

yes, a dinner was held in his honor, at least, on the occasion of his 300th birthday

[PVnRT]

42. At last, Cthulhu shall awake from his slumber!

Sunken R'lyeh shall rise again! Ia! Ia! Shub-Niggurath! The Goat of the Woods with a Thousand Young!

[madeline_con]

64. Finally! n/t

[baby_mouse]

50. Well I'm a Sagittarius and he's right.

It's not been much fun at all.

Welcome to the Plutonium Age, sports fans! Yay! YOU can have him!

Also, my tarot deck tells me that today is a good day for buying a beige headscarf, but not to put it in the tumble drier (I've been caught out that way before).

[notadmblnd]

55. My husband was a Sag too

he now sits in a urn on my mantle.

[JanusAscending]

63. Hey!! Mine was a Gemini,

and his place of honor is in an Urn on my mantle too!! "Sisters"!!:hug: He's been waiting for me to join him for 4 yrs. now!

[notadmblnd]

65. Thanks for the hug.

Mines going to wait a while longer, I still have his son to raise.

[Odin2005]

58. I can't beleive people beleive that snake oil.

Astrology is crap.



*Odin prepares to be flamed by Baby Boomer New Agers*

[Bonescrat]

60. I usually dress right...

but lately it's been fallen to the left...

Coincidence or Upheaval ?