Jonathan Turley at Conyers’ NSA Hearing: Bush Committed a Crime

[Marleyb]

Former NSA Lawyer Jonathan Turley at the NSA Hearing
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Audio #1
http://www.archive.org/download/illegal_spying/nsa_hearing1-turley.mp3
(more to follow): Bush Committed a Crime

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Professor Turley (rough transcript):

President Bush has for many years asserted authority that is both absolute and in my view, quite dangerous.

In August 2002, there was the infamous torture memo, put out by the justice department, that stated that the President could indeed order gov’t officials to violate federal law. In fact, that memo said that imposing a limitation on his ability to conduct exercises that constitute torture would be a constitutional infringement on his authority.

The President also claimed authority to unilaterally declare a citizen an enemy combatant, to strip him entirely of his constitutional rights, including the right of access to counsel.

On Dec 30th 2005, the President signed the torture bill and he used a “signing statement”- reserving the right to violate that law. Now we know that there is an NSA operation based on the same extreme theory of Presidential power.

The problem with these claims is that they are devoid of any limiting principles. They place this country on a slippery slope that inevitably leads to a maximum leader.

I read the document put out by the Dept of Justice and I’ve changed my testimony to address that document. Frankly what is most remarkable is not the sweeping claims of authority, but the conspicuous lack of authority to support those claims.

The Supreme Court has rejected the very claims being made by the President with regard to the NSA operation, it is in direct contradiction of FISA.

Now I want to be absolutely clear, what the President ordered in this case was a crime. Now we can debate whether he had a good or bad motivation, but it was a crime.

The federal law makes it clear- you cannot engage in this type of domestic surveillance without comitting a crime.

We can debate the wisdom of that, we can debate why the President may have done it, but in my view, the President committed a crime, and we have to deal with that as citizens. And unfortunately, you have to deal with that as members of Congress.

It strikes an alarming circumstance when the President can go into a press conference and announce that he has violated a federal statute 30 times, and promises to continue to do so until someone stops him. That is the most remarkable admission that I have ever heard from a President of the United States…

I was shocked at what I saw , I was convinced the judge would sign anything that we put in front of him, and I wasn’t entirely sure that he actually read what we put in front of him. But I remember going back to my supervisor at NSA and saying that place scared the daylights out of me. And my supervisor said, “you know what, it is scary, but we’re here. We won’t let a president exceed his authority.”

Well, this president has exceeded his authority.

Under FISA there are three exceptions that allow in one case, to engage in surveillance and proceed later to get approval.

The suggestion that, “time is of the essence”, is a ludicrous one.

I’ll just remind this instutition of it’s duty. Despite any affiliation to the President, it’s Congress duty to protect it’s authority.

What’s at stake is not a president that has committed a crime- it’s much more serious than that. What’s at stake is a president who is committing a crime under the pretense of legality, he says he has the authority to do that.

Very few members have faced this type of test of faith, but you’re facing it now. And as citizens and as members, it’s now up to us, we’re called to account. For the many benefits that we have gotten from this system, we’re called to account to do something.

http://benfrank.net/blog/2006/01/24/nsa_hearing_audio/

[upi402]

1. I saw that, he was good and I agree.

[liveoaktx]

4. I also have video of some of this on CanOFun

Go to the Search button on the right hand side of the page midway down and search on Turley

[Marleyb]

7. off topic but....

Thank you so much for the videos you put up! I was wondering if there is any chance you have the clip of Bush and Dianne Feinstein after the SOTU. I read that Bush searched for her, the two laughed together etc....sounds interesting.

[chaumont58]

2. All this talk about a pr stunt is bullshit, Bush broke the law

One day, he will have to pay. A free people can not or will not remain free if they ignore what Bush has done. If chimpie's men don't like the 4th Amendment, they can start a campaign to repeal it. We are a nation of laws. We heard that constantly during the Clinton Impeachment process. Its time to put up or shut up.

[Marleyb]

3. Turley is a former NSA lawyer

Why doesn't Reid do some research and do his job? Perhaps he could have a conversation with someone who knows more than him?? Perhaps the group of constitutional scholars could come and have a discussion with the House of Reps and Senate???

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., told FOX News that he doesn't think the threshold for impeachment has been crossed yet.

"As far as I'm concerned at this stage it's too early to talk about impeachment. We'll have to see if there's more to this,"

But Reid said impeachment talk makes him uncomfortable.

"I'm not a big fan of impeachment. I think it should come only when all other avenues have been exhausted and that certainly hasn't been the case here," he said.

Republicans now control Congress, which means impeachment won't happen. But if Democrats win back the House in November, which is still seen as unlikely, Reid said he's not ready to jump on any bandwagons.

"I think we're way above the radar screen. I think impeachment this time is not something we need to talk about. I think we need to talk about the other failures of government and I don't think we need to go rushing off to the 'I' word," he said.

What is it going to take to get congress to do their jobs? Does it worry anyone else that the people making important decisions for our country don't know what the fu*# they are doing?
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[upi402]

5. DINO's don't give a shit

[usregimechange]

6. Thanks for posting.

[Marleyb]

8. Bradblog has the full transcript of the hearing

http://www.bradblog.com/Docs/nsabrieftranscript12006.pdf
perhaps we should all fax this to congress??

The need for immediate impeachment is clear!
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We have to force our 'representatives' to do their jobs!

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What are they waiting for???
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