Rape Rooms

[iwillalwayswonderwhy]

Help me out here. I always had a mental problem with "rape rooms". It never made sense. Were these rooms reserved? "Can I have a rape room at 8:00?" If someone was found raping someone, were they told "you can't do that here, you must go to a rape room."

What it sounds like to me, is that someone came up with a horrendous concept phrase. A rape room is not logical at all, but sounds horrible. How is a rape room furnished? What makes it a rape room? It just smacks of propaganda meant to shock and horrify.

That's my problem. I do not believe there is such a thing as a rape room. Once a skeptic about one of the horrors pegged on Sadaam, it makes me take all news of his horrors with a grain of salt.

I don't mourn his death. I just don't think we know what happened really, nor that we will ever know.

[Waya]

1. Nope.....won't ever know.....

....dead men tell no tales. Maybe that's the reason they were so hellbent on offing Saddam in a rush?

[madokie]

5. 110th congress with subpoena powers

[Waya]

7. 110th Congress......

...chasing its tail. Bush Co with Mount Rushmore sized paper shredders in the basement.
Subpeonas, investigations, stalling, hearings, stalling, subpeonas, investigations, stalling, hearings ..... - Dead End!

[William769]

8. Yep, "dead men tell no tales"

There are about 2 million Iraqi's that will never be able to tell their tale.

[Waya]

10. Yep, and 650,000+ (and ongoing) innocent Iraqis......

.....that have been effectively silenced - curtesy of the Red, White and Blue......

[William769]

12. So your saying after the two million it would have stopped?

[Waya]

13. Probably not......

.....are you saying that, now that Saddam is dead, Bush will stop?

[William769]

14. I never once said what Bush did was right.

I am sick and tired of people making Saddam out to be NOT a horrible person that committed genocide on his own people.

[Waya]

16. Woah, back up.......

I never said that Saddam was a great guy.....he was a vile SOB...however, he had plenty of help over the decades from American SOB's and for BushCo to take the moral highground when it comes to Saddam is simply laughable and the height of hypocrisy.
We have become what he hate. Saddam was condemned for what he did, fine. But it's perfectly ok for the gang of American War Criminals to strut around and spew their lies and keep on killing and at the same time want the world to believe that somehow we are a moral authority?
C'mon now!

[leftchick]

2. I believe bush coined the term

in his buildup to the "Iraqi Liberation" he would go on and on about torture chambers and rape rooms. Much like the US has at Abu Ghraib.

[zanne]

3. One thing that's for sure

We'll never know. The truth is in there somewhere, but it's been buried in an undisclosed location.

[flyarm]

4. bush had his rape rooms for ten year old little boys...

from what we have been told by Sy Hersch!

[sweetheart]

6. rape rooms are in every american prison

You can reserve one at any time. "You can checkout any time you like, but you can never leave."

[Devlzown]

9. I didn't buy that either.

The implication was that so many rapes occured in Saddam's palaces that certain rooms were set aside for those purposes. Were there murder rooms too? Were the rooms interspersed with the bedrooms and bathrooms or was there an entire rape wing? Sounds like stories concocted to illustrate Saddam's depravity.

[lostnotforgotten]

11. Help Me Understand

Saddam Hussein executed for gassing some hundreds of Kurds.

Bush kills 3,000 US troops (maimed some 20,000 or so) and probably some 600,000 Iraqis.

Is there a disconnect here?

The implications are obvious to me.

[TexasProgresive]

17. Wrong- he was never tried and convicted for gassing Kurds

The Kurds are pissed because they didn't get their day in court with Saddam. They wanted the facts to come out in open court as to who helped Saddam acquire the gas-etc.

Saddam was convicted of executing 120 men and boys in revenge for attempting to assassinate him.

You need to stay on top of the facts especially if you enter into discussion with BabyBitch fans. They will latch onto any inconsistency in your argument and feel justified in throwing the whole thing out.

FACT CHECK - FACT CHECK - FACT CHECK - FACT CHECK - FACT CHECK - FACT CHECK - FACT CHECK - FACT CHECK - FACT CHECK -

[lostnotforgotten]

18. In The Media's Eyes, This Is Why He Was Hanged

Because it is all the American people were fed for months as one of the reasons for Bush's invasion.

[TexasProgresive]

19. I haven't gotten that impression, but

in any case if that is the story going around we need to squash it. They (you know who they are) didn't want the facts to come out about the gassing of the Kurds as it might have something to do with that famous DRummy handshake.

[brentspeak]

20. This is the third cut-and-paste of your own post I've seen this morning.

How many more times did you spam DU with the same message?

[lostnotforgotten]

21. As Many As It Takes To Drive Home The Central Point

eom

[Ravenseye]

15. They existed

Though you might not have been able to go into your Microsoft Outlook and book the room, they did exist. Both in the Iraqi prisons, as well as in various other locations controlled by the former elite, particularly Saddam's sons. They were particularly notorious for having women essentially grabbed off the streets for their looks and brought to apartments, houses, etc, secured by their security forces where they would be raped. This was a regular occurance. If the girl struggled she would be shot.

Female prisoners would also be raped as punishments, or just for amusement.

Not only has this been widely reported in the media, but my family in Iraq has personal experience with it.

They know what happened.