Theologian in a major lather over "African American Xmas Dinner"

[Bluebear]

Holy moly. Words fail.


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"When Did Black Become A Christmas Color?"

...Commemorating the birth of the Lord of all mankind and the Savior of believers from every nation, tribe, and tongue, one would think that all Christians could celebrate Christmas without reference to color. However, even this cherished festival is degenerating into a front for radical social engineering.

On December 2, 2006, the Mid-Atlantic District of the Church Of The Nazarene held an African American Christmas Dinner. To those conditioned into embracing such directives from their handlers without question, such an affair might not seem all that out of the ordinary. But unless chitterlings and collard greens are going to be the main course on the menu, does an African American Christmas differ all that appreciably from the Christmas of any other American group?

As to whether or not a denomination should be hosting such a function, we should ask ourselves would it be appropriate to convene a “Caucasian” or more precisely, a “European American Christmas Dinner”? If the prospect of such an event leaves you a bit squeamish (as it probably should), then why do we put up with or, shall we say, tolerate such extravaganzas when they are convened for groups more favored by the ruling clique?

In James 2, the believer is warned against showing favoritism and in I Corinthians 11, the church is admonished regarding these matters in reference to the Lord’s Supper and meals eaten in His name. If this command applies to something that may be earned such as wealth, how much more so in pertaining to a characteristic the individual has absolutely no control over.

http://www.americandaily.com/article/17008

[NMMNG]

1. My my, they'll get worked up over anything, won't they?

"White Christian Persecution" is it now?

[Bluebear]

2. Well, as you know that is the most persecuted group in America.

After all, why can't they have a Miss White America pageant blah blah blah.

[Toots]

17. So you disagree with what he said?

There should be separate Christmas for separate ethnic or racial groups? You would go along with a white only Christmas? :shrug:

[KittyWampus]

19. I also 1st questioned having an "African American" Christmas Dinner, except

what the title probably really meant was "African Amercian STYLE" Chistmas Dinner featuring traditional African American food and drink?

Or, Christmas Dinner celebrating African American Cultural Heritage.

I don't think this was meant as a "blacks only" meal.

In any event, the author probably has a chip on his shoulder.

[NMMNG]

24. Yes

I don't give a flying rip if an African-American church wants to have a special Christmas dinner.

Do you get hawked off over the BET awards?

[caraher]

3. Christmas is trees and lights, just like Jesus, Mary and Joseph wanted it!

But unless chitterlings and collard greens are going to be the main course on the menu, does an African American Christmas differ all that appreciably from the Christmas of any other American group?

Too bad the author of this piece apparently didn't go to find out!

As to whether or not a denomination should be hosting such a function, we should ask ourselves would it be appropriate to convene a “Caucasian” or more precisely, a “European American Christmas Dinner”? If the prospect of such an event leaves you a bit squeamish (as it probably should), then why do we put up with or, shall we say, tolerate such extravaganzas when they are convened for groups more favored by the ruling clique?

A few years ago I attended a dinner celebrating Polish Christmas traditions. I suppose I should apologize for my insensitivity in not feeling squeamish about that. In my "defense," I might add that there were non-Poles there, including African Americans.

[Bluebear]

4. Did they serve ethnic dishes like stuffed cabbage??!??!?!?!

The nerve!

[caraher]

5. It was an ethnic-food nightmare! I'm sure baby Jesus wept!

[Ken Burch]

6. Well, consider that this same webpage

had an ad for a book that advocated the annexation of Mexico.

[meegbear]

7. ...The believer is warned against showing favoritism

like rich white Christian males dictating what's acceptable?

[charlie]

8. Good grief

What does he think an ethnic dinner is, but a chance to show others how it's done back home? What does he imagine goes on...

"Welcome to the 2006 African American Christmas Dinner! And, as promised.... HERE ARE THE NEGROES! Give 'em a big hand, show your appreciation. Alright! Alright, take a bow guys, thanks for coming. Now, I know the rest of you are raring to tuck into those turkey loaves and jello molds, so... dig in. ENJOY!"

No, wait. He's probably thinking it's an all-black affair. Bereted, bandoliered Black Panthers sitting down to a meal of Solidarity Squash and Class Struggle Cabbage. No Whitey allowed.

Whatta loon.

[6000eliot]

9. Where exactly IS this pro African-American "ruling clique?"

From where I'm standing, the rulers are pretty white, and the interests they care about are white and rich. Who the fuck buys this shit?

[knitter4democracy]

22. They're not in the Church of the Nazarene. That's for sure.

Did a VBS once in a mostly African-American church in Kansas City just down the road from the international headquarters of the Church of the Nazarene. No money in that church. We bought them a vacuum cleaner for the church (didn't have one) and helped with the air conditioner (broken and no money to fix it in the heat of summer). Where did all the powerful in the church go? Kansas City First Church, of course, with a three million dollar surplus in their budget. I kid you not. Here their brothers and sisters were hurting, trying to keep a great church together and were in the red, and their pastor got to hear about how great First Church was and how much extra money they had.

When we left the church, every single one of the General Superintendants was white, male, and over the age of sixty. Only one spoke a foreign language at all, and the rest had never served outside of the States. That's when they changed the name to the International Church of the Nazarene. :eyes:

[Dogmudgeon]

10. It's "American Daily"

The usual poke-in-the-eye right-wing sophomoric "irony". Lots of (right-wing) Hillary hating. Frequent assertions that the "Democrat Party" (sic) is socialism incarnate. And check out the name of their owning company: "MoveOff, Inc."

Rage plus vulgar irony is what the wingnuts consider to be satire, literature, and commentary. "If you disagree with us, you're unpatriotic, and we will laugh at you. Bwa. Ha." No wonder they "got a thumpin'" in November.

There are actually a few conservatives who are worth reading. American Daily is home to none of them. It fancies itself to be "red meat", but it's just the usual rotting vegetables.

--p!

[monmouth]

11. Good grief Charlie Brown, does anyone really care about this ridiculous stuff?

[izzie]

12. I once went to dinner at a German place with a German and

they gave us cranberry sauce. You would have thought that they have bombed the ball-barring factory he got so mad. So much for putting things in the proper place! Like any one cares about what you eat on what day!

[SalmonChantedEvening]

13. Same ugly argument, different topic

I've heard the same whining jibberish from morans like this concerning everything from the UNCF to the Miss Black Americas Pageant.

And each gripefest is as shallow and petty as the last.

In case the author of this shlock is reading this, were you ever an outcast of society? Were these events and institutions ever a necessity at one time, and now do they serve as a reminder of progress made yet still unfulfilled? Or as a mark of pride of having survived centuries of subjugation and discrimination?

Didn't think so.

I'd advise you to simply not attend, and let it be, but there's more wasted breath than I'm willing to part with to someone as intentionally stupid and bigoted as yourself.

[tanyev]

14. For God so loved the white citizens of the United States of America,

that he gave his only-begotten Son.....blah, blah, blah.

[WCGreen]

15. I'm deaming of a White Christmas.....

Just like the one's I use to know...

[Devlzown]

16. Collard greens and chitlins?

Gee, he left out fried chicken and watermelon. The author must not be a Southerner, for I have known just as many white people as black who eat that stuff. I love collard greens myself, although I don't mess with chitlins. I fail to see how a gathering of black people for Christmas dinner would make Baby Jesus cry, but maybe I haven't read between the lines in the Bible sufficiently.:eyes:

[knitter4democracy]

23. I love collard greens, too.

I'm white enough to cause sun glare at the beach, and I love Southern cooking (it's similar to down-home Midwestern cooking, too). Good food.

That writer is an idiot.

[bumblebee1]

28. I love collard greens, too.

I only wish I knew how to make them.

Your fried chicken comment brought back a fww memories for me, Devlzown. One day at work, I was eating fried chicken for lunch. Like usual, I was using a knife and fork to eat it. One of my co-workers, a black woman with whom I was on friendly terms with, makes the comment, "What are you doing? This isn't a five star restaurant." So, I start eating the chicken with my hands. A couple minutes later, my neighbor, a younger black woman, comments "You're eating chicken like a black person." Man, talk about not winning for losing. I did see the humor in this incident, though.

[Minnesota_Lib]

18. I wonder if a Norwegian Christmas Dinner (linked) raises the same ire.

http://vesterheim.org/events/lacrosse_friends.php

Or this Irish-American club that holds an annual Xmas event.

http://www.geocities.com/mikegm.geo/irishclub/mainpage.html

Oh those pesky micks!

"...we should ask ourselves would it be appropriate to convene a “Caucasian” or more precisely, a “European American Christmas Dinner”?

It took me 2 minutes using Google to find the answer (and I just picked 2 examples from many). More empty braying from the right.

[whatelseisnew]

20. k&r

[knitter4democracy]

21. As a former Nazarene, I say it was about freakin' time.

The Church of the Nazarene has a problem with racism, and I think it's about time they reached out to the African-American community. When Hubby and I were freshmen at Mount Vernon Nazarene College, out of 1100 students or so, only five were African-Americans. Then, there was a racial incident on the south side of the frosh women's dorm that drove away two sisters at the end of the year. It was the last straw, and I didn't blame them for leaving.

I have been in mostly African-American Nazarene churches, but where were they at General Assembly? Where were their kids at NYC 1991 in Orlando? Where were their kids at the colleges? They weren't there because they knew they weren't welcome by all and often couldn't afford it. Oh, but the white suburbanites in their white flight churches were there. :eyes:

What an a$$hole. Just like so many I went to church and college with. Makes my blood boil.

[walldude]

25. "Groups more favored by the ruling clique"

Bwhahahahaha... yeah, we gotta get the ruling class to quit favoring the African Americans :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Catherine Vincent]

26. Black folks don't eat chitterlings anymore.

I've never had it in my life. I heard it stinks.

[AspenRose]

27. For real

Apparently someone didn't get the memo!