Official "Apologize to Cindy Sheehan" thread... entries here.

[Flubadubya]

Immediately after Ms. Sheehan's arrest at the Capitol many DUers jumped on the story like white on rice with such comments as "Cindy Sheehan does not represent me!" "She should have known better than to do that!" "That woman is hurting our cause!" "She should have been arrested!"

Now that the truth is out, I would like to see all those who jumped to conclusions (and upon poor Cindy's bones) have the opportunity to openly apologize for having made such ridiculous comments about such a brave and noble person who was only there by invitation and was intending no harm, much less a demonstration.

Now, having said that, I am actually GLAD that they arrested Cindy. Considering how this is turning out, we will actually be getting much more positive notice than if the idiot Capitol Cops had just ignored her. I probably never would have known she was even there if they hadn't pulled such a stupid stunt.

Anyway, you guys who maligned and besmirched Cindy now have the opportunity to make it right by her... just sign below. O8)

[Thtwudbeme]

1. I NEVER wrote that she should be arrested....I wrote that since she

was wearing a shirt that was innapropriate for the place she was in, she should have kept her jacket on.

You know, this just isn't rocket science.

But, arrested for public tackiness? Jesus Christ, that was an over reaction from hell---

Stephanie

[Flubadubya]

2. Why should she have kept her jacket on?

I'm sure it was warm in the gallery. Besides, the CapCops have already determined that she broke no rules, even by wearing the T-shirt such that all could see it. If they have decided there was nothing wrong with it why do you still insist there was?

[sendero]

34. Because Dems/theLeft..

... are somehow supposed to wrest control from Devils by behaving as Angels.

It's never worked in the past but some never learn.

[BuyingThyme]

3. I can't think of a more appropriate shirt.

Not to offer a completely opposing view, but I really can't.

I tried.

[Fridays Child]

8. It's my tendency to think the same way...

...but, then, I realize that, actually, nothing could be more appropriate than to draw attention to the senseless deaths of our brave soldiers. Unlike the fascist Republicans, we don't have the media in our pocket. So, becoming the media is a legitimate way to communicate. Maybe the real problem is that we all aren't all wearing shirts just like Cindy's.

[NuttyFluffers]

39. the fashion police should never have that much power :)

otherwise there'd be lynchings from sun up to sun down all throughout america.

first they came for those wearing lycra capris, and i said nothing,
then they came for those with tremendously high bangs, and i still said nothing,
next they came for those wearing mostrously huge shoulder pads, and again i said nothing,
finally they came after me for wearing pleated chinos under a crinoline skirt, and there was no one left to speak for me...

:evilgrin:

[Lerkfish]

4. I'm not one of those you're targeting, I completely supported her...so

I'll apologize on behalf of those who did who can't find this thread. Or who can't eat crow without choking.

:)

[deutsey]

5. Pass the popcorn

:popcorn:

[txindy]

6. You're an optimistic soul, aren't ya?

;) I hope you're a patient one, too, 'cause I think we've got a long wait here.

[Flubadubya]

9. Crickets... I hear crickets...

Just when I want to :spank: someone... all I get is :boring: :rofl:

Oh, BTW, I'm a UT graduate myself! Hook 'Em! :thumbsup:

[txindy]

22. Unfortunately, I think the crickets will be around for quite a while, too.

:hi:

[Dhalgren]

7. Sometimes Republicans are not the only ones who can't seem

to admit they were wrong...

[rodeodance]

10. cnn --Cindy clip-saying she will file lawsuit-'defamation of character" -

[seabeyond]

19. good for her. kick ass. and she will be one ot follow thru. n/t

[philosophie_en_rose]

11. I apologize to Cindy Sheehan.

Her noble jesters are appreciated. My sempithies for the cazy doubters. :) They deserve a peice of her mind.

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Perhaps her t-shirt was inappropriate. Perhaps some people should get off of their high horses. However, it's really odd to see how this woman (who is clearly trying the best she can) isn't given some room to breathe.

If she had worn Armani, she'd be characterized as a limousine liberal selling out to the DNC (who the freeps think pay us all the big dollars). If she wears a t-shirt, she's arrested -- apparently not for the message -- but for being underdressed.

Fucked if you do; fucked if you don't.

Cindy Sheehan will be criticized for anything she does. I admire her fortitude for continuing to work, even in the face of criticism.

[Strathos]

12. Why if we have the right of "free speech" should it be limited?

Are they afraid of hurting political officials feelings/pride/ignorance?

I say speak out whenever and wherever possible.

Fuck decorum and political correctness. That's what got us in his mess to begin with.

Democrats MUST STAND UP AND FIGHT or we'll be trampled on the rest of our lives.

[savemefromdumbya]

13. If it was my son who had been killed I would be doing the same!

[seabeyond]

14. i have not seen 1 post saying she should be arrested. link please

as a matter of fact, every post i read said that was over the law. she should NOT have been arrested

known better. well i would of. now i would weigh the repercussion if i still wanted to do. but i would have known better. why is that an attack on sheehan. or even critizism. ????

and i still stand sheehan doesnt represent me, she is doing her thing, she represents herself. and she isnt shy, and she is damn good. and i support her thing. and respect, appreciate and value.

but then i dont know if i am the one that is suppose to apologize. no one is making clear what we are considering attack. several people have asked those accusing of brownshirt, cowards, fuckers, freepers, trolls, pro war, operatives of rove........wont clarify whether my post is the offender. just thread after thread after thread, with no specific allegations of all the evil doers on this board.

the most obvious, yet artful manipulation of mob creation, sheep mentality, .... shut your fuckin mouth up mentality.

so tell me. am i the one that is suppose to apologize. apologizing isnt hard for me. do tell me am i the bad girl. the one that owes the apology. want to list the bad boys and girls for us. someone on another thread suggests, anyone that stepped away from sheehan is our hero should be called on carpet thru computer, investigated, and past post analyzed. then if the court deemed, they should be kicked off. anyone getting any particular pattern here. i am.

[txindy]

20. Lots of attacks on Cindy the night of the SOTU

I'd point you to specific posts decrying Cindy as deliberately breaking the law by wearing that shirt, but the posters have been tombstoned and their posts deleted. One person even ranted on (and on and on) about it being "a federal crime!" :rofl: Here are some threads, instead, although both of these, and the majority elsewhere, have been locked (which probably explains why you missed them):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=300259

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=286755

[BushOut06]

15. Sorry, I don't speak for idiots

Let them show their faces over here and apoplogize themselves.

[seabeyond]

16. can you please clarify who the idiots are. so we know who

needs to apologize.?????

[BushOut06]

17. They know who they are

I have no problem with someone if they genuinely feel that she was pulling some sort of publicity stunt, even though I would strongly disagree with them. However, some people were going over the line in their attacks against her - for merely wearing a shirt. The same people then turned around and called other DUers some pretty nasty names.

[seabeyond]

18. didnt hear nasty name calling from evil doers, only from the good guys

if you will look at list... oh and predators is another, i forgot. what is your over the line. and cindy admitted in her words it was a stunt anyway. she said.... she figured she would get camera on her and she would have her jacket open. she didnt know that wasnt something she could not do. now. that alone says she was doing soemthing, had thought it out.

her own words

is that me going over your line......

and on edit: they know who they are, is the vague comment that is consistantly given....... attack thread after attack thread, people have asked, who is the finger being pointed at. are you calling me a coward. cause personally, i want to know. yet...... just generalization, and i have seen no example of the extreme outcry that people are going on about

[txindy]

21. Nasty name-calling

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=300259

There were many others, but the posters have been tombstoned. Which is one of the reasons I believe this thread won't see many apologies.

And Cindy had every right to do what she did. The Capitol police have even said so and apologized for their 'error' in arresting her.

[seabeyond]

25. of course she had every right. nor is there a challenge to her

right.... except by bushco and now cops. remember the three that were pulled out in denver and are in court now. good for the three for challenging absolutely the same thing. i wasnt challenging that. i was saying she did make a choice, adn to say, i didnt know..... well i do. the three in denver. and other places. for that not to be in her mind seems silly. call it for what it is. i support the truth. i dont need to make a story of innocence up.

and thank you for explaining most of the evil doers tombstoned. i better understand

[mdmc]

23. Feel free to respond to my apology

This was posted on williampitt's thread, yesterday.

(Its not that I don't have Cindy's back)...
I just feel that we, the anti-war movement, has exploited her, and her pain, and her loss.

What if she dressed up and attended TSOTU? I wouldn't be able to bare the pain of seeing her as w. smirks at the "sacrifice" needed, or when he described the "second guessers". I think it would have broke her heart, and mine to see it.

Cindy Sheehan is dealing with a great loss, and now she is also saddled with the collective loss that we all feel due to w. It is not fair.

I hope that Cindy can heal, and accept her loss. I oppose the Iraq war, but also oppose immediate withdrawal. We are tasked with occupying this country, because we overthrew the government. I think that immediate withdrawal (although it is tempting) is wrong, and that this exit strategy is best advocated by someone like Murtha, with strong military credentials. Cindy Sheenan is the wrong spokesperson for this strategy. I feel that her pain overshadows the politics and policy that she is advancing. I feel that she avoids dealing with this pain by focusing on radical politics. I wonder if she will be this passionate for withdrawal once she had accepted and dealt with her pain.


God Bless Cindy, and her family. I hope that they all are able to bare this loss.

I think Cindy should have dressed up for the event, and not worn a protest t-shirt (she didn't want to make a scene, right?). Perhaps she didn't really want to stay, and preferred to be escorted out. I don't know if "I don't have Cindy's back". I just feel awful for her. I also think that she could have been removed in a far less hostile manner.

GOD BLESS YOU , CINDY SHEEHAN!

[Flubadubya]

27. I appreciate your words and sympathy for Cindy...

I just don't think what she wore or what she did was in the least bit inappropriate... for that matter neither do the Capitol Cops as they have dropped the charges and stated that they did not see her actions as inappropriate. Nonetheless, you (and others) still see it as such. I just don't.

Glad you do sympathize with Cindy, however.

As for Iraq, I am definitely with Cindy and Murtha on this one. I see absolutely NO GOOD GODDAMNED REASON (pardon my yelling) for another American (or Iraqi) to die in that useless, trumped up conflict. There is only ONE WAY to accomplish that... pull the troops back NOW. Thank you.

[mdmc]

30. your welcome

I assume that you feel that Cindy has successfully mourned the loss of her son and is now an activist due to her understanding of the loss that she suffered. I don't.

I think that she is unable to grieve for her son, and is using this activism to mask her pain.

If I am correct, she may feel different about the war after she has successfully addressed her loss.

ps- she should never have been arrested...yadda, yadda, yadda...I agree with all that...

[derby378]

24. Now that the dust is settling...

Some people jumped on my comments thinking that I was trashing Cindy as well, despite the fact that my wife and I supported her since the beginning. So I took a look at my previous comments and thought I'd explain myself this way:

Did Cindy Sheehan have the right to attend the SOTU? Absolutely. She was an invited guest of Rep. Woolsey.

Should Cindy have known better than to wear the shirt? If you asked me earlier, I probably would have said yes, but now I don't know. In any case, I think the shirt made her a target. But it's entirely possible that the Capitol Police would have invented any excuse they needed to throw her out - I think Rove or Cheney was giving the orders there.

Did the Capitol Police have any right to arrest Cindy? None whatsoever, and I think the next time they try it, others attending the SOTU need to resist and throw the police out of the gallery.

Is Cindy hurting our cause? No way.

Does Cindy speak for me? You're damn right she does - or at least as much as anyone can speak for me.

Does this help?

[stop the bleeding]

26. Here is my thread on Cindy and what I think about her - check it out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x289748

[Flubadubya]

28. Yes, I love what you said... and

I relish the thought that she is still a GREAT BIG OLE THORN in his side. May she ever remain to trouble the dubya! :rofl:

[Skelington]

29. rationalizing irrrational behavior is counter-productive,

Cindy's vigil at Crawford has been tossed aside to make room for any "stunt" that will get her in the news. I say "stunt" because that is exactly what this was, regardless of what everybody is saying, I believe her intention was to disruppt the SOTU, and garnish as much attention on her, and the message on her shirt. The "stunt" was as silly as the idea of having the senators walk out on *. The only way to effect change is through the fairly elected officals we depend on, and at this point all Cindy is capable of, is giving the right wing a new batch of water cooler jokes. There is honor in our system, and there is a certain amount of respect that HAS to be paid to our system and it's procedures. Why wouldn't Hillary wear a "George Bush, You Fucking Liar!" shirt? Because it is not the way adults conduct adult business, and Cindy laughing and giggling every time she does something to get herself arrested is embarrasing to the party.

Question: Can anybody tell me which Dem left when Cindy was arrested, to support her? Much like that class clown that we all laughed at in school and believed were helping our situation, when they get called on an out of line act, they walk alone, because childish acts are not courageous, nor helpful. Cindy gives DU a lot to talk about, but in the eyes of the majority of americans I believe she is fracturing the message.

[Flubadubya]

31. Ho hum...

:boring: Yeah, let's all just sit back on our thumbs and let the rethugs just keep coming. Pretty soon we'll all be so bloody you won't be able to read what's on our T-shirts. Boo-f*ing-Hoo... Cindy made a point! :(

[Skelington]

32. Really?,

When she got taken out of the building, which Democrat gave a rats ass enough to show any support for her? Her point was made perfectly, I'M CINDY, HERE I AM LOOK AT WHAT I'M DOING. It was not wrong to wear the shirt, not illegal, just stupid.

I'll ask again, why is it not correct for Hillary, or anybody else to wear a "Bush, You Fucking Liar" shirt, at ANY time, let alone the SOTU?
Because it is not how rational adults behave. It is how attention addicted people act.

[Flubadubya]

33. kick

[uppityperson]

36. those who support do, those who don't don't. Onward. and peace

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=308335&mesg_id=308335

[cynatnite]

35. The funniest thread of the day

:rofl:

[TInCanCommunications]

37. Many, you're as bad as the freepers

You spin all other positions like a seamstress.

Pathetic.


Not one person in DU said she ought to be arrested.

Nobody here is AGAINST her.

Some of us just don't want the rest of the country believing that she is our figurehead.

Capice?

[Flubadubya]

40. Capice this buddy...

If you have a long enough attention span and can read enlightening material with any comprehension:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x304356

[tlsmith1963]

38. I Never Criticized Her

And you know what else this situation at SOTU proves? That Republicans aren't safe from the neocon fascists, either. They kicked out the wife of a Republican senator, too. She had been critical of Bush's neglect of the troops, even though she supports the war in Iraq. If you criticize Bush even a teeny, tiny bit, Bush's thugs will come after you. So remember that, Republicans. You aren't safe, either.

Tammy