Feingold on DKOS: "Bush has Pre-1776 mentality" GREAT!

[jsamuel]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/2/10581/84829

"Pre-1776 mentality" - PURE GOLD!

I've seen some strange things in my life, but I cannot describe the feeling I had, sitting on the House floor during Tuesday's State of the Union speech, listening to the President assert that his executive power is, basically, absolute, and watching several members of Congress stand up and cheer him on. It was surreal and disrespectful to our system of government and to the oath that as elected officials we have all sworn to uphold. Cheering? Clapping? Applause? All for violating the law?

The President and his administration continue their spin and media blitz in attempts to defend the fact that they broke, and continue to break, the law. Their weak and shifting justifications for doing so continue. The latest from the President seems to be that basically the FISA law, passed in 1978, is out of date. His decision that he can apparently disregard "old law" fits the pattern with the President and his administration. He's decided to disregard a statute (FISA) and the Constitution (the 4th Amendment) by continuing to wiretap Americans' phone calls and emails without the required warrant, while at the same time claiming powers of the presidency that do not exist. (Perhaps he feels the Constitution is too "old," as well.) This administration reacts to any questions about spying on American citizens by saying that those of us who stand up for our rights and freedoms are somehow living in a "pre-September 11th, 2001 world."

In fact, the President is living in a pre-1776 world.

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[stop the bleeding]

1. True - K&R

[lhfang]

16. RF 2008

gogogogoog

[central scrutinizer]

2. I believe he meant pre-1215

Before even the Magna Carta when there was one supreme divine king who didn't share power with anybody and was accountable to no one.

[Pacifist Patriot]

3. Pretty reminiscent of post-magna carta actually.

The power limited to the king went to the nobles. No provisions for us common folk.

[Salviati]

5. Yup, except in this case nobles = corporations...

Do you think that they would stand for their corporate calls being bugged?

[ixion]

6. exactly... right back to the Dark Ages...

and beyond. :-(

[Inland]

12. Gotta go pre-Enlightenment to find Bush. Jesus was his favorite

political thinker, after all.

[DKStreet]

4. Cool--I like that. EOM

[Proud2BAmurkin]

7. KICK

:kick:

[jane_pippin]

8. Best. Senator. Ever.

I'm so glad he's mine.

Pre 1776 mindset! Fantastic! Go Russ!

:rofl:

[CTD]

19. I'm liking him more and more. If he runs for Pres in '08...?

If he runs for Pres in '08, I'd love to know what votes as Senator the Repub slime machine will be able to use against him.

What is a good resource to research past votes?

[jane_pippin]

20. They already tried using his Patriot Act vote against him when he

ran for his seat the last time.

It didn't work. He got more votes than Kerry did here, and Kerry won the state.

If you want a good overview of Russ, check out the Feb. issue of Vogue magazine for an article about him. It's a fluff piece, but it does do a good job of capturing Russ, the guy, and I thought it nicely summarized why we Wisconsin folks like him so much and vote for him despite the "handicaps" of being divorced and Jewish. Unfortunately I don't have a link to the article yet. (My search for it just brought the fashion stuff from the magazine.)

edit: His website from senate.gov should have his voting record up to look at, too.

[karynnj]

36. I like Feingold, but comparing the votes Kerry got to his votes

is not apples to apples.

Feingold was the incumbent and well known to the state. From accounts I read from afar (so I can be very off base) he had a pretty weak opponent. Kerry was challanging an incumbent President, he had to get people to know who he was and had a pretty hostile media environment.

[jane_pippin]

44. That's a good point. I hadn't thought of it that way.

His opponent was laughably weak--the RNC ended up pulling out some money from his campaign, IIRC. Still, I remember wincing quite a bit during the Republican primaries and at the beginning of the campaign over the attacks on Russ. I was scared they just might work.

Still, as a candidate Russ has been able to pull votes from Republicans. Some others on the board have mentioned seeing Bush signs on lawns with Feingold signs right next to them, and I remember seeing that too. So that's nice to think about. But you're right, it might not be fair to compare the two results without thinking of the reasons you mentioned.

[karynnj]

46. Thanks, I really hesitated before posting that because

being from NJ, they COULD have been equally tough races. In NJ, there was no Senatorial race in 2004. What I did see were many signs for the Republican house candidate without a Bush sign, which in past elections wouldn't happen much.

[jane_pippin]

48. Aw, no need for that. I'm here to learn, more than anything else

and hearing other ideas is a great way to do it. So thanks to you, too.

[radio4progressives]

50. Senator Boxer Won Considerably More Votes in California than Kerry

but then, Kerry's campaign offices in the state were too few and woefully understaffed - only one headquarters in Santa Monica! (no staffed office in San Francisco!) so that might have been part of the problem, among others.

:shrug:

[karynnj]

54. And she was the incumbent

No staffed office in San Francisco! Wow, it's amazing he did as well as he did. But there had to be a SanFrancisco Democrats. (We had a Morris County Democrats and were calling on all the races, but mostly Kerry.)

[izzybeans]

9. Izzybeans toots own horn: My thread with same comment sunk

like a stone quite awhile ago.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2399642

[jsamuel]

17. sorry Izzybeans, you get credit!

[izzybeans]

26. I said this in response to all the "you are in a pre 9/11 mindset".

This time in relation "Terrorist Surveillance Program" as he calls it.

My retort was that kind goerge as in a 1775 mindset. And I think its a mantra to stick to.

I wasn't saying this was a duplicate. I was just commenting on the fact that I said the same thing a week ago.

[jsamuel]

28. oh, I see

[Catchawave]

10. Cspan junkies...Feingold Supporters....

Russ was introduced as the newest member on the Intelligence Committee, which is now being aired live!

[radio4progressives]

51. I know I watched this twice! n/t

:applause: :woohoo:

[derby378]

11. Beautiful! Recommended!

[ComerPerro]

13. LMAO - Priceless!!

[stray cat]

14. Beautiful!

[TayTay]

15. That is a great dairy.

Go get 'em Russ on Monday at that hearing. This is one of the most important issues of the year.

[WinkyDink]

18. "Party Like It's 1775!"

I'm partial to 1789, though, myself. I might take up knitting.

[Straight Shooter]

21. Some editorial cartoonists have used that line; also DU members

Wherever Feingold got it, I'm glad he's repeating it.

"I've seen some strange things in my life ... Cheering? Clapping? Applause? All for violating the law?"

Thank you, Senator Feingold. :patriot:

[triguy46]

22. Great.

so what are we going to do about it that we aren't already doing? We need to make a quantum leap here.

[jasmeel]

23. Whoo!!!! I love it! Now THAT'S a soundbite everyone can under

stand!

[kiteinthewind]

Sweet!!!

Deleted (repeat) I must have hit the send twice! I was just so excited!

[jsamuel]

25. hehe

[kiteinthewind]

24. Sweet!!!

Feingold 2008!!! He just keeps proving his spine over and over! Thanks, Russ. We love ya!:loveya:

[kentuck]

27. Surreal...

"In fact, the President is living in a pre-1776 world."

[SupplyConcerns]

39. The truth does sound surreal these days.

I was just describing this play going on at my school to someone, Far Away, as a "surreal post-apocalyptic" play, when in fact its world of insane people and routine violence is a truth we're inching towards here in the real world.

[malaise]

29. Great article

King George.

In fact, the President is living in a pre-1776 world. - quite brilliant.

[Hailtothechimp]

30. I want Russ Feingold as my president

He understands what the Constitution is about, unlike the White House's current occupant.

My senators are all fine and good, and if we can add Russ in the White House, that will be even better.

[radio4progressives]

52. I could very excited behind Feingold, and I don't give a shite about his

martial status! or his being Jewish so long as he doesn't do the bidding of AIPAC or AEI I'm fine - and I don't have that sense about him at all.

My sense of Feingold is that his loyalty to the People and the Constitution of the United States of America. This administration have people in the NSA with dual Citizenship - I'm not comfortable with that.

I am also very impressed with his campaign finance ethics. very impressed.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

31. PERFECT! Thank you Senator! K&R

[Adelante]

32. Love Russ Feingold

:yourock:

[mikelgb]

33. Magnificent piece... recommended n/t

[samhsarah]

34. KICK

:rofl:

[DarienComp]

35. love it.

Republicans have a July 3rd 1776 mindset. We have a July 5th mindset.

:toast:

[fishwax]

37. very nicely said k/r

:applause:

[SupplyConcerns]

38. Hahaha... which also gives him a "Pre-September 10th mentality"

No typo there. Bush chided Kerry in the first debate for having "a pre-September 10th mentality".

[sofa king]

40. I'd say it's more like a pre-1945 mentality.

Pre-1945 Germany, that is.

[Joe the Revelator]

41. Feingold/Warner 2008

This guy is awesome.

[Lifelong Protester]

42. We are happy to share Russ Feingold with you all...

he will not be like the last dork we sent to share with you all (Tommy Thompson :thumbsdown:)

[radio4progressives]

53. why thank you, let him know he's got some strong supporters out there

on the "internets" ;) :hi: :toast:

[Tom Joad]

43. Yes, in many ways, Bush has a pre-911 mentality, even. The year 911!

Barbaric (well, in Europe at least). Prone to wars of conquest. Religious wars. The divine right of kings. Bush would fit right in there.

[Skip Intro]

45. YES!

I'll be using that one.

Thank God for true patriots.

:thumbsup:

[JohnnyCougar]

47. That's my boy!!!

Go Russ! 2008!!

[radio4progressives]

49. Too late to nominate, but would've if only I could've

Go Feingold! :applause: