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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 04:46 PM
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**Iraq, Niger Forgeries, And The CIA - Plamegate people this is for you!**
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 04:57 PM by stop the bleeding


Vice President Cheney and his then-Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby were personally informed in June 2003 that the CIA no longer considered credible the allegations that Saddam Hussein had attempted to procure uranium from the African nation of Niger, according to government records and interviews with current and former officials. The new CIA assessment came just as Libby and other senior administration officials were embarking on an effort to discredit an administration critic who had also been saying that the allegations were untrue.

CIA analysts wrote then-CIA Director George Tenet in a highly classified memo on June 17, 2003, "We no longer believe there is sufficient" credible information to "conclude that Iraq pursued uranium from abroad." The memo was titled: "In Response to Your Questions for Our Current Assessment and Additional Details on Iraq's Alleged Pursuits of Uranium From Abroad."

Despite the CIA's findings, Libby attempted to discredit former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who had been sent on a CIA-sponsored mission to Niger the previous year to investigate the claims, which he concluded were baseless.

Link inserted here that is part of article with timeline / Previous coverage of the CIA leak investigation from Murray Waas



~snip~

The answer may lie in part with the already well-known misgivings about the CIA by Cheney, Libby, and other senior Bush administration officials. At one point during that period -- the summer of 2003 -- Libby confronted a senior intelligence analyst briefing him and the vice president and accused the CIA of willfully misleading him and the administration on Niger. Libby was said to be upset that the CIA, in his view, had routinely minimized the extent to which Iraq was pursuing weapons of mass destruction and was now prematurely attempting to distance itself from the Niger allegations.

~snip~

Libby had also complained about the CIA's Center for Weapons Intelligence, Nonproliferation, and Arms Control. WINPAC, as the center is known, scrutinizes unconventional-weapons threats to the United States, including the pursuit by both foreign nations and terrorist groups of nuclear, radiological, chemical, and biological weapons.

Libby, according to people with knowledge of the events, said that he and Cheney had come to believe that WINPAC was presenting Saddam Hussein's pursuit of such weapons in a far more benign light than Iraq's intents and capabilities reflected. Libby cited CIA bureaucratic inertia and caution and his view that many of WINPAC's analysts were aligned with foreign-policy elites who did not support the war with Iraq.

Libby and others in the office of the vice president apparently were even more suspicious because they mistakenly believed that Plame worked for WINPAC, according to these sources. When they also learned that Plame possibly played a role in Wilson's selection for the Niger mission, their suspicions only intensified.

~snip~

On June 11 or 12, according to the grand jury indictment of Libby, Grossman reported back that "in sum and substance Wilson's wife worked at the CIA, and the State Department personnel were saying that Wilson's wife was involved in the planning of his trip."

Also on June 11, 2003, according to the indictment, "Libby spoke with a senior officer of the CIA to ask about the origin and circumstances of Wilson's trip, and was advised by the CIA officer that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA and was believed to be responsible for sending Wilson on the trip." On the very next day, June 12, the indictment said, Cheney more specifically informed Libby that Plame worked at the CIA's "Counterproliferation Division."

Tenet received the highly classified memo on Niger from his analysts on June 17, 2003, five days after Cheney and Libby spoke with each other about Plame's working for the CIA. Sources familiar with the matter say that both Cheney and Libby were informed of the findings in the June 17 memo only days after Tenet himself read and reviewed it.

In the memo, the CIA analysts wrote: "Since learning that the Iraqi-Niger uranium deal was based on false documents earlier this spring, we no longer believe that there is sufficient other reporting to conclude that Iraq purchased uranium from abroad."


~snip~

On June 18, 2003, the day after the new Niger assessment was sent to Tenet, Robert D. Walpole, the national intelligence officer for strategic and nuclear programs, briefed members of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence regarding the findings. And on the following day, June 19, 2003, Walpole briefed members of the House Select Committee on Intelligence as well.

Six days after the memo was sent to Tenet, on June 23, 2003, Libby met with then-New York Times reporter Judith Miller and -- as part of an effort to discredit Wilson -- passed along to her what prosecutors have said was classified information that Wilson's wife, Plame, worked for the CIA, according to allegations contained in Libby's indictment.

~snip~

As Libby awaits trial, one of the unresolved mysteries is why Libby insisted in interviews with the FBI and during his grand jury testimony that he learned about Plame's employment from journalists, when investigators already had Libby's own copious notes indicating that he had first learned many of the details of Plame's CIA employment from Cheney and other senior government officials.

One possibility examined by investigators is that Libby was attempting to cover for Cheney because of the political or legal fallout that might occur if it was determined that the vice president had been involved in the effort to discredit Wilson.


Stephen Gillers, a law professor at New York University, said, "The prosecutor's implicit inference before the jury may well likely be that Libby lied to protect the vice president. Even in a plain vanilla case, a prosecutor always wants to be able to demonstrate a motive."

That Cheney was one of the first people to tell Libby about Plame, and that Libby had written in his notes that Cheney had heard the information from the CIA director, Gillers said, might make it more difficult for Libby to mount a credible defense of a faulty memory. "From a prosecutor's point of view, and perhaps a jury's as well, the conversation is the more dramatic and the more memorable because the conversation was with the vice president" and because the CIA director's name also came up, Gillers said.

The disclosure that Cheney and Libby were told of a CIA assessment that the agency considered the Niger allegations to be untrue, and that Tenet requested the assessment as a result of the personal interest of Cheney and Libby, would "demonstrate even further that Niger was a central issue for Libby," said Gillers, and would "make it even harder, although not impossible, to claim a faulty memory."



link to full article here


Iraq, Niger, And The CIA -nationaljournal.com




I am still reading this article but I thought you all should start chewing on this. I may add some more paragraphs with updates, so please check the original post in the future.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 04:49 PM
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1. Important!!!
kick
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 04:51 PM
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2. that Rove sure is evil...
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 04:52 PM
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3. But - but -
"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein has reconstituted his nuclear weapons program."

Are you calling Dick Cheney a liar? Say it ain't so!
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MellowOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 04:57 PM
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4. kick and recommended n/t
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 04:58 PM
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5. OK I am done with adding the updates, Please check OP
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 04:59 PM by stop the bleeding
I have to go train for a few hours, but I will be back to see what you all think.

Enjoy!

Peace!
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 05:07 PM
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6. kicking for evening crowd n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 05:10 PM
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7. Nominated.
This is interesting and important.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 05:26 PM
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8. K & R
:kick:
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 05:28 PM
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9. K&R
...
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 05:30 PM
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10. A definite recommend.
Seems like Fitz is getting closer to Cheney every day. Good find, stb!
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Jujiman Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 06:15 PM
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12. I wish Fitz would hurry a bit...carefully!
Fitz has been getting closer every day now for a while.

The suspense.....Arg! The suspense!

:kick:

My symbolic kick, as I'm not old enough to vote yet.

:hi:
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 06:37 PM
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14. Welcome to DU, Jujiman!
Yeah, I can't wait to see the trial get underway. I think the last 4 paragraphs of the article give a great indication of the direction Fitz will go, which is straight at Cheney!



One possibility examined by investigators is that Libby was attempting to cover for Cheney because of the political or legal fallout that might occur if it was determined that the vice president had been involved in the effort to discredit Wilson.

Stephen Gillers, a law professor at New York University, said, "The prosecutor's implicit inference before the jury may well likely be that Libby lied to protect the vice president. Even in a plain vanilla case, a prosecutor always wants to be able to demonstrate a motive."

That Cheney was one of the first people to tell Libby about Plame, and that Libby had written in his notes that Cheney had heard the information from the CIA director, Gillers said, might make it more difficult for Libby to mount a credible defense of a faulty memory. "From a prosecutor's point of view, and perhaps a jury's as well, the conversation is the more dramatic and the more memorable because the conversation was with the vice president" and because the CIA director's name also came up, Gillers said.

The disclosure that Cheney and Libby were told of a CIA assessment that the agency considered the Niger allegations to be untrue, and that Tenet requested the assessment as a result of the personal interest of Cheney and Libby, would "demonstrate even further that Niger was a central issue for Libby," said Gillers, and would "make it even harder, although not impossible, to claim a faulty memory."


The suspense is nervewracking, but I'm very hopeful that we can get a conviction here.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 05:56 PM
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11. "mistakenly believed that Plame worked for WINPAC"
Doesn't this imply that they did not knowingly violate the statute against releasing the name of a CIA NOC?

NOCs don't work for CIA HQ agencies, AFAICT.

This allegation does not help our cause, IMO.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 06:26 PM
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13. Doesn't have any bearing on Libby's indictment AT ALL.
None of the charges against Libby include IIPA. Nor do they include the Espionage Act, which is what I'm hoping Cheney will be charged with at a later date, which does NOT require that the leaker know the name he's leaking is classified.

But say for example, in the future, Libby is indicted for IIPA. Do the allegations in this article hurt our cause? Not a bit. Just check the dates from the OP link:

Libby and others in the office of the vice president apparently were even more suspicious because they mistakenly believed that Plame worked for WINPAC, according to these sources. When they also learned that Plame possibly played a role in Wilson's selection for the Niger mission, their suspicions only intensified.

snip

"On or about June 12, 2003," the indictment stated, "Libby was advised by the Vice President of the United States that Wilson's wife worked at the Central Intelligence Agency in the Counterproliferation Division. Libby understood that the Vice President had learned this information from the CIA."

snip

Six days after the memo was sent to Tenet, on June 23, 2003, Libby met with then-New York Times reporter Judith Miller and -- as part of an effort to discredit Wilson -- passed along to her what prosecutors have said was classified information that Wilson's wife, Plame, worked for the CIA, according to allegations contained in Libby's indictment.


You damn tootin' Plame's identity was knowingly leaked!
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 07:13 PM
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17. Nice.
:)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 07:15 PM
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18. Well done, RP!
Very well done, indeed.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:09 PM
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19. you got that right - gotta go get some Thai food will back later tonight
to check in.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 09:07 PM
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22. HA!!! *LOL*
:rofl: Ew, that man is so screwed.

He's freakin' about some missing emails, too!!! :rofl: Boy OOOO is that guy in a corner.

Oops. :blush: I'm enjoying this too much. Sorry.
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 06:49 PM
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15. Sounds like the Ken Lay defense: " We were misled." n/t
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 06:49 PM
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16. Kick!
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samhsarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:12 PM
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20. Thanks for this post. Kicked and Recommended. nt
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:52 PM
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21. k&r
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 09:52 PM
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23. kick
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 09:53 PM
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24. Another k&r
:kick:
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 10:39 PM
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25. tick tick tick
After all this time, I still can't wait to see this all come out, both in court and (finally, maybe) the press.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 10:48 PM
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26. This is getting good
Unfortunately for Scooter and Crashcart, they're not dealing with Kenny Starr anymore...

Julie
president for life of the PFEB
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 07:12 AM
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27. .
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