***Father Loses Home and Business for Teaching His Children to Work

[AGENDA21]

In January of 2003 the Department of Labor And Industries (L&I) issued me $34,000. in fines for supposedly “employing” two of my boys (then 11 and 13), and primarily on my own property.

They defined “to employ” as to “engage, suffer, or permit to work” with work defined as “an activity in which one exerts strength or faculties to do or perform something.” The only exclusions are nonprofit, agriculture, paper carriers, door to door sales, and domestic labor in and around your private residence that does not benefit a family “enterprise.” Their penalties were:

$1000/day “to work during school hours,” even though we home-school.

$1000/day to work “without an order from a superior court judge.”

$1000/day “to work more than ten feet above the ground level.”

$1000/day “to work on a construction site” (our private property).

$1000/day “to work in the proximity of heavy equipment.”

$1000/day “to operate a bulldozer and backhoe.”

$1000/day to be a “helper on a public roadway.”

$1000/day for “no valid Minor Work Permit”

$1000/day for “no Parent/School Authorization” form signed.

http://familiesthatwork.org/content/view/13/27/

http://www.familiesthatwork.org/

I came across this today,and i just had to post here...anybody heard of this?

[SoCalDem]

1. Doty has a libertarian/republican scent to him

the kind that wants "big gubbmint" to leave him alone and who does not like rules..I know many people who "employ" their kids and never have any problems..

edited to add.. (Mom...barefoot and pregnant most of the time?)

I smell fish on this one:)






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[ClintonTyree]

5. Yes, dresses down to the ankles so not to "tempt" the men.........

:eyes: I know this type all too well, they are mentally ill.

[Horse with no Name]

15. Notice the faces of the children

They look very unhappy.

[snooper2]

2. What a heck of a family

Just doing dandy, got the wife barefoot and the older daughter already..

[SoCalDem]

6. Notice the photo?

Dad and all the "men"...Mom with all the "girls"..

It would not surprise me if these people end up in the newspaper some day.. just sayin'

[insane_cratic_gal]

7. notice she's not wearing shoes

I wonder if she's pregnant!

barefoot and.. Oh I know, bad joke!

[ClintonTyree]

3. This sounds like a good one for Snopes......

I'm betting it's bullshit. Any father that lets his children operate heavy machinery, work more than ten feet above ground etc. deserves to be reprimanded in some way. I'm not saying these massive fines are in order, but he shouldn't be putting his children in harm's way just to save himself from paying someone experienced to do the work.

In other words, these people want to revert back to the days of children in sweatshops, treating their children as chattel and slave labor. I'm sure they're christianazis, people wanting to revert back to biblical days when everyone was "smiting" and "begatting" and stuff. :eyes:

[China_cat]

8. Here in Charleston county, we aren't even allowed to

have anyone under the age of 14 operate a powered lawn mower. (They can use the old push reel type but nothing with an engine.) Can't use a weed whacker, hedge clipper or other powered landscaping tools.

Stiff fines and charges of child abuse if you get caught 'letting' your kid mow the lawn.

[kath]

17. Whoa, are you serious ?

(or should that be SERIES? :-) )

[China_cat]

18. Yep. My grandson was ecstatic when he was no longer

allowed to mow the lawn. (This took effect 4 or 5 years ago. He was either 12 or almost 12 when it happened) Then he found out that it meant that he couldn't mow other people's lawns to earn extra money either.

[SoCalDem]

19. Nothing wrong with a push mower..

We used to fight over "the red one".. It was a beaut..smooth as silk and was easy to push.. The "green one" was like pushing a ragged chunk of concrete up a hill:)

[insane_cratic_gal]

4. wow birth control!

they are gonna have a whole football team at this rate

7 kids.. :crazy:

[MrMonk]

9. DARK-SIDED

The little girl on the right is wearing SHOES!

Doty, in his article, never mentions just what he had the boys doing. That raises a scent that is not sweet to my nose.

[SoCalDem]

10. a moving company would involve lots of heavy lifting

and the farm would involve big equipment.

The boys probably boasted to someone about their "jobs" and someone dropped a dime on Dad

[Sgent]

11. Freeper alert

From DOL publication 101 -- Youth Employment Provisions for Nonagricultural Occupations

Exemptions from the Youth Employment Provisions of the FLSA

The federal youth employment provisions do not apply to:

·Children under 16 years of age employed by their parents in occupations other than manufacturing or mining, or occupations declared hazardous by the Secretary of Labor.

[Mabus]

12. He was investigated because of complaints by co-workers

Sounds like he should be glad they aren't trying to terminate his parental rights for child labor exploitation.

The dispute started in January 2003, when Doty's house-moving business was hired to move a block of houses to make room for Yakima Memorial Hospital's expansion. L&I received several phone calls — some from Doty's co-workers — who were alarmed at the work Zach and Stephen were doing for their dad.

The boys, 13 and 11 at the time, were riding on the peak of a house as it moved down the street, callers reported, pushing up low-hanging traffic lights. They were flagging traffic at construction sites, driving bulldozers and backhoes, and they seldom — if ever — wore protective gear. Fueling fears for the boys' safety, a backhoe flipped with Zach inside.

"My bottom line is that these children should have an opportunity to survive to adulthood," Paradis said. "I absolutely support in his contention that he was in the right to teach his children a work ethic, but I also really believe that there are jobs that aren't appropriate for some age groups."

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State laws say no one under 18 is allowed to do the kind of work the boys were doing, and the rules explicitly prohibit children from working backhoes and bulldozers, flagging traffic and working on rooftops. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2001974593_judedoty08.html

[daleo]

20. Sounds like a cheapskate Christian

Who preferred to let Jesus take care of his kids, while he put them to work in ultra hazardous occupations.

[Mabus]

21. He sounds like a Phred Phelps in the making

Keeping the kids isolated, the kids are working to support the family and dad tries to play the martyr. Very sad. I hope they take the kids from him and get his wife some counseling.

[SoCalDem]

13. UPDATE..They MOVED to Idaho to escape the child labor laws

To escape child labor laws, Doty family moves to Idaho
PUBLISHED ON November 25, 2005
Yakima Herald-Republic (WA)

CATALDO, Idaho (AP) - A family that faces thousands of dollars in fines in Washington state because it refused to pay worker's compensation insurance and employed its young children in a house-moving business has moved to Idaho to take advantage of that state's more lenient child labor laws. "It's less oppressive," said Jude Doty, a 48-year-old house mover, of his decision to come to Cataldo, a tiny community along U.S. Interstate 90,...


http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=YHRB&p_theme=yhrb&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&s_dispstring=doty&p_field_advanced-0=&p_text_advanced-0=("doty")&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&xcal_useweights=no

and this article.....


Candidate in dust-up at labor department
PUBLISHED ON September 9, 2005
Yakima Herald-Republic (WA)

Yakima Herald-Republic YAKIMA - A state official said he plans to seek a restraining order against City Council candidate Jude Doty after an encounter between the two Friday afternoon at the Yakima offices of the Department of Labor and Industries.

Television footage broadcast by KIMA-TV showed Doty, who has an ongoing dispute with the labor agency over use of his children for construction and house-moving projects, being led out of the Yakima Avenue building in handcuffs about 3 p.m. He...

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[Sgent]

14. If post 12 is correct

that's a violation of national child labor laws -- not just state laws. I hope the Wage & Hour Division and the Justice Department fry 'em.

[SoCalDem]

16. EXactly.. He's buying time..

:)