Inspired By Another Thread, Has Anyone Noticed That Since Keith Olbermann

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

did that great comparison a few months back on terror alerts and political timing there haven't been any further 'coincidences'?

There used to be a coincidental alert ever few weeks or so. Did K.O. calling them out on it force them to back off that tactic a bit? :shrug:

[applegrove]

1. The color coded thing was dropped after it was riduculed under Ridge.

I think he was still at the CIA. Anyway - F 9/11 went into how the color coding was "crazy-making" - I guess that means keeping people teetering. And it seemed to stop after that.

[RC]

14. The color code was dropped when Ridge left homeland security

It had been heavily ridiculed for quite sometime before that.

[applegrove]

16. Okay - I knew the turning point came with Ridge. Yes - Homeland security.

[Sydnie]

18. Even Ridge knew they used it too much

that's why they didn't really use it after he left. They wanted to make it appear that it was HIM doing it all the time.

edit - sp

[stop the bleeding]

2. I am glad that you brought that up because after the whole NSA thing

I was expecting at least something.

[rzemanfl]

3. They're saving them for the '06 election. That said, Keith did

good. Now they are using little a little Iraqi baby with a birth defect as a distraction instead.

[Cha]

5. I haven't read this story but it

seems to be that an Iraqi baby with a "birth defect" is NOT a good thing for the mass murderers..Depleated Uranium doing what it does.

[rzemanfl]

7. Spina bifida is a fairly common birth defect. n/t

[me b zola]

19. So if it were your family member

and you knew that the incidents of birth defects rose 600% since the use of DU that you were exposed to, and your child had one of the birth defects known to be related to DU, what would you assume?

Here is a link to an active thread with many links to this subject:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2533

[rzemanfl]

25. Even if it weren't a family member I would blame depleted

uranium under those circumstances. I'll take your word for it that spina bifida is linked to depleted uranium.

Now I hear that this poor child will probably need a wheelchair her whole life. This is ironic, the United States will be sending a cripple back to Iraq, rather than sending our cripples home from there to land in the dark.

[me b zola]

27. Too much irony

The twisted irony that we may very well be the ones who caused Baby Noor's disability in the first place really plays with my mind. What we are doing to the people of Iraq and our men & women in uniform is equally unforgivable.


I have known a few people with spina bifida, and they walked as children and became wheelchair dependant later in life. The pictures I saw of the Baby Noor, however, showed that her legs were flacid, which seems to indicate that she may never walk.

[BrklynLiberal]

20. The Depleted Uranium after effects on OUR soldiers is being disgustingly

ignored!!! So if one does not care about its effects on the targets of the bombs,. one should care about our soldiers who are being victimized by DU as well!!

THIS STUDY WAS DONE ALL THE WAY BACK IN 1996!

Conclusion
We have shown how easily micrometer particles of DU can spread over a large region and poison many people both radiologically and chemically. The promotion and sale of DU munitions by U.S. arms manufacturers (with U.S. government approval) and by other arms manufacturers to the armies and air forces of many nations will guarantee that in future conflicts thousands of soldiers on both sides will inhale and ingest acute doses of DU aerosols, and many in armored vehicles struck by DU penetrators will receive dangerous doses of non-removable uranium shrapnel in their bodies. The human cost of using DU munitions in conflicts is not worth the perceived short-term advantages, especially if it results in U.S. veterans and others becoming ill and in genetic defects in their offspring. A comprehensive epidemiological study should be made of all Gulf War veterans and their families, searching for evidence of residual DU in their bodies and for causes of genetic defects in their children. The health issues associated with DU munitions should be investigated and evaluated by independent medical and scientific experts separated completely from the Department of Defense, Veterans Administration, National Laboratories, U.S. military services and their contractors.

http://www.wise-uranium.org/dgvd.html#CONCL

[Firenze777]

22. I know of a birth defect of a Gulf War soldier's baby

my friend's husband was a helicopter pilot in the first Gulf war. Had two beautiful daughters who had no defects before he went over there; his wife had a miscarriage with a pregnancy after he had been home a couple of years, and the baby had no arms. So very sad; they didn't try any more. I've been wondering if this round of veterans were having the same experience.

[BrklynLiberal]

23. I am sure they are. The Iraqi incidence of birth defects has been

horrendous. You do not want to see the pictures of the babies they have had.
More than half of the 600,000+ vets of the First Gulf War have reported problems. It is becoming more widely accepted that a significant portion of what is being called Gulf War Syndrome is related to Depleted Uranium exposure.
It does as much damage to those firing the bombs as to those who are on the receiving ends. Our soldiers then go into those areas where the dust is still in the air and laying all over the ground. They breathe it in, and it gets all over their skin. They bring the results back home with them.

Thank you George Bush, Pere et Fil

[JohnyCanuck]

28. Looks like they're using DU in more types of ammo now

From my understaning, in GW 1 it was only the anti-tank/armor piercing ammo which was comprised of DU warheads. Now it looks like they've expanded the use of DU to different classes of weapons like bunker busters used against reinforced concrete and underground bunkers etc.

U.S. forces in the Persian Gulf may be armed with radioactive bombs and missiles hundreds of times more potent than similar weapons used during the Gulf War and the U.N. military campaign in Bosnia.

As evidence that the United States is expanding its use of depleted uranium weapons beyond the relatively small 30-millimeter to 120-millimeter armor-piercing bullets and shells used by tanks and tank-killer aircraft in the Gulf and Balkans, weapons watchdogs cite the so-called "bunker-buster" bombs and missiles unleashed on Afghanistan.

The Pentagon has not confirmed the use of uranium or depleted uranium in the bunker-busters, and it has refused to identify the composition of the dense-metal warheads that enable the missiles to penetrate structures deeply buried under earth, steel and reinforced concrete.

But critics such as British researcher Dai Williams contend that only uranium -- in one form or another -- possesses the density and other characteristics necessary to achieve the penetration levels attributed to such weapons as the 2,000-pound AGM 130C air-to-ground cruise missile, and the guided bomb unit, or GBU, series of laser-guided hard-target penetrators intended to pierce bunkers and other reinforced structures.

http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,57959,00.html

Interesting presentation in this DU thread from a cancer specialist, Thomas Fasy MD PhD, who has been looking into the health effects of depleted uranium and it's possible role in childhood leukemia and birth defects in Iraq.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4124449

[malaise]

26. One of my friends

wasmarried to a Gulf War vet. Their son was born with several parts missing. He survived until three plus but never walked or talked. It was hell for the parents. My mum used to keep him for a few hours every now and then so she could go to the supermarket.

[Cha]

4. My friend said someone was

talking about the "terror alerts" coinciding with rove trying to change the subject..on npr and I told her ..Keith Olbermann had done this very thing on his show. Maybe it all stemmed from there or other sources are making those connections, too.

[NanceGreggs]

6. I'm sure K.O.'s comments ...

... widely disseminated on the internet(z), was a contributing factor.

The other side of it is that after the failure of all branches of government and FEMA re Katrina, they no longer WANT to remind the public of what would happen in a WORSE situation (like a terrorist attack, a biological attack, etc.)

The clarion call used to be: "We might be under attack, so quick band together behind the president, who will make you safe."

It would now be KNOWN to be: "We might be under attack -- no point gathering behind the president, because he won't do a damned thing for you."

They REALLY fucked up on Katrina -- in more ways than one. They'll never be able to use the WE'LL BE HERE FOR YOU argument ever again.

[sandnsea]

8. Gee, I noticed it way back in Nov 2004 n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

11. Noticed What?

K.O. hadn't even done the bit yet back then. He only did it a few months back. Prior to him doing the compilation there was a coincidental alert every few weeks or so, but abruptly dropped off after K.O. and others starting calling the administration out on it. At least that how it appeared to me, and hence is the point of the thread.

Not sure what you noticed back in Nov 2004?

[Al-CIAda]

9. Remember way back, when Dean first called them out on it?

He was villified by many, and members of his own party shyed away from such statements.

We all knew he was right...very sick shit, as actually it is THEY (the Admin.) who are doing the 'terrorizing'.

[ClintonTyree]

10. No, it's just that our great president, george bush...........

has been doing such a fabulous job in the "war on terra" that there haven't been any terror alerts to alert us of. Yep, he's keeping us safe through all of those domestic wiretaps (which are not illegal, so stop saying that!) and all of the torturing (which really isn't torture, it's just like fraternity hazing) that the asses of evil are too scared to pull anything on the old U.S. of A. :sarcasm:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: No really, you're right. I got a little carried away with the sarcasm there, please forgive me. Once people started picking up the pattern (christ, it took them long enough!) they had to stop. It was getting way out of hand anyway, nobody took them seriously anymore. They did keep America scared shitless for a while though and that's what they were intended for, so I guess they worked. They've yet to come up with anything to replace them though, it's almost like they're distracted by something! I can't imagine what that could be. :eyes: Maybe the fact that their entire house of cards is falling apart? :shrug:

[Garbo 2004]

12. I think with the 2004 election over they no longer needed them. n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

15. They Went On Well After That Though

They seemed to abruptly drop off after the K.O. bit on them, only a few months ago!

[Garbo 2004]

24. Actually KO was initially responding to alert issued by NYC, not DHS.

The Federal DHS actually did not issue a public alert on that. Bloomberg/NYC did it on their own and DHS actually pooh poohed it.

Here's KO's list but he includes stuff that were not actual Federal DHS security alerts or escalations of the national threat level of the kind DHS was issuing prior to the 2004 election. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9665308/#051012a

As noted elsewhere I believe, since the 2004 election DHS apparently has not issued those public national scare-the-crap-out-of-the-voters-citizens terror alerts and has not raised the national threat level to orange. As I recall the national terror threat level was raised to orange for Christmas 2003 but no such threat elevation was issued for Christmas 2004. Evidently after the 2004 election the terraists just lost interest in disrupting Christmas retail sales or attacking malls. Coincidence?

[leftofthedial]

13. I'm a bit surprised there hasn't been one or more

during the little shitstain's collapse in the polls

I guess they figure that we're all on to them and that he has so little "war on terror" credibility left that alerts would do more harm than good

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

17. Here's Some Links To The Context If Anyone's Interested

This link is text of a rundown of 13 coincidences

http://porktamer.gnn.tv/headlines/5477/The_Nexus_of_Politics_and_Terror


This link is the actual video bit about it from Countdown With K.O. (It is the third one down)

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/10/12.html

[high density]

21. Do CNN and Fox News still put "CODE YELLOW" in their news crawls?

Lame crap. I think the main thing is that election season ended and the fear generator wasn't needed anymore.