The cartoon controversy . . . context

[GrpCaptMandrake]

Religiously insane Muslims are pissed off over some drawings of a dude with a beard.

Religiously insane Christians are pissed off over an execution device in a jug of urine.

Militarily insane General Peter Pace is pissed off over an editorial cartoon showing a cariacature of a military amputee made so in part by the General's support of Dear Leader's race war.

Is there a common thread here?

Could it be "insanity?"

Crazy Muslims, Crazy Christians, Crazy Generals. One symptom of insanity is the willingness to spend valuable time having kittens with crocheted tails over A PICTURE.

On a side note, could someone please get a note to the insane Palestinians, reminding them of Jerry Falwell's remarks about Mohammed being a child rapist? Please?



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[danalytical]

1. DU'ers need to think long and hard about this one

I already posted in a thread that looked to be a knee jerk reaction in favor of the lunatic fanatical mobs taking hostages and seizing embassies. Do you really want to be in support of these people? You would take the side of whining crybaby fantics over the side of free speech? ? Really?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. don't know about "insane" Christians, but

this "insane" Muslim cannot use her Islamic name at the workplace, because she would be fired-and it would stick, because it is a very small company, not under Federal regulations. Her husband's life has been threatened because of his faith. Muslim friends have had their business vandalized. So maybe we're a bit sensitive, rather than "insane".

[GrpCaptMandrake]

4. Madam, I did not say you are insane

and apologize for your having taken away a perception that I did. Unless you harbor a taste for religious homicide, you are in no wise in the category I described. Your sensitivities are quite understandable in this profoundly racist country.

People who want to kill other people over drawings are insane. People who want to harm other people over a cross in a jar of pee-pee are insane. Generals who get mad at cartoonists over a cariacature depicting the horror of war are insane. I see no other possible explanation.

Real followers of Yeshua the Palestinian Carpenter must deliberately separate themselves from the Religion Industry monsters. The Robertsons, Falwells and Dobsons are the Wahabbists of American culture.

Real followers of Mohammed's vision of the Almighty must do the same. The Wahabbists, directly supported by the House of Ibn Saud, are the Pat Robertsons and Jerry Falwells and James Dobsons of their culture.

Finally, the American people must, as a whole, disavow the manifest insanities of people like General Pace, who believe peace may be achieved through torture and murder.

[Ladyhawk]

5. You're speaking about the same thing.

Your xenophobically insane boss would fire someone because of her religious leanings. I don't know if the Muslim in question is an insane fanatic or simply level-headed person with religious beliefs that aren't mainstream in our society. From the way you describe her, I would say it's probably the latter.

The problem is when one group attempts to FORCE another group to live by its rules. I haven't seen the cartoon(s) in question, but from my understanding some fanatical Muslims are trying to force the cartoonist and those who support the cartoonist to conform to their ideas of decency. That ain't cool.

I am an atheist. I have no right to force anyone else to conform to my ideals, nor do religious people have the right to force me to conform to theirs. No one has the right to go through this life un-offended. Everyone has the responsibility to learn how to deal with people whose ideals may differ from theirs. This can be an arduous task, especially when level-headed folks try to deal with fanatics and when fanatics get bent out of shape over anything they consider a "slight" to their way of thinking.

Don't coddle or enable folks who try to force their beliefs on others, whether it be your dumbshit, xenophobic boss or fanatical Muslims pissed off by a comic strip or Pat Robertson offended by the fact that gay people exist or atheistic Ayn Rand Objectivists pissed off that white men get so few breaks in this country.

Edit: Spell Check is my friend.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

7. "atheistic Ayn Rand Objectivists pissed off that white men

get so few breaks in this country."

:rofl: :spray:

So very well said, Ladyhawk! Very well, indeed!

So very often, wise, enlightened persons come along and say "Why don't you people quit being so awful to each other? You've got to figure it out for yourselves."

And a hundred years later, BANG, he's the son of God or the Last Prophet, or the First Among Equals and people are saying "He figured it all out for us! We don't have to think! Praise be!"

[Ladyhawk]

10. Yep. I wonder what the big religion will be 2000 years from now.

I've thought a lot about how religions come to be and why they continue to attract followers. Religions have their own "survival of the fittest." One of the newest "mutations" is an afterlife with consequences. Religions with the best heaven and the worst hell will continue to attract a lot of followers because the rewards and consequences for not being a member are so huge. It's also the main reason followers tend to become so fanatical.

[danalytical]

6. Did you burn a flag and storm an embassy in protest?

Or did you voice your opinion and use your power of freedom to denounce the content of the cartoons? That's why I won't take the fanatics side. No matter what the religion or group is, I will always side with the free press in a similar situation.

If you have trouble where you live then move up here to CT, I've worked with at least 3 muslims just this morning in my office. Depending on where you live and work in this country, you may want to consider moving. It's horrible but there are a lot of bigots left in this country. They seem to concentrate in certain areas.

The west values freedom of the press and we can take criticism. If we can take it, then we shouldn't have to censor ourselves from speaking our opinions about others. Did I go throw a grenade into a mosque after I heard Bin Laden call for the destruction of my homeland? No, but a bunch of lunatics threw a grenade into a French establishment in retaliation for a cartoon? A CARTOON? That's crazy!

If you were in Saudi Arabia you could be jailed for DRIVING a car or walking in the street without a male relative or husband. I hardly think the United States and the west in general can be blamed for being too insensitive to religions. What do you think happens to Jews living in Iran? Think they can live, let alone get a job?

If I owned that paper, I would publish a whole edition of cartoons mocking religions and the evil stereotypes they carry. Every single major religion. Since the Muslim religion currently has center stage as being used as justification for deadly violence, I would give an extra few pages to it.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

8. If I lived in Saudi Arabia

I would be immediately jailed for heresy. Sufism is illegal there.

Thanks for the invite; I sojourned to CT this past spring and fell in love with the place. But I have neither funds nor talents that would allow me to obtain a job there, I fear.

[danalytical]

9. CT's no different in the job market than any other industrialized

place in America. If you work with computers, fix cars, or wait in a restaurant then it's all the same. There's lots of places to work here.

[izzie]

3. Rembrandt lost his standing because he did this

Did not paint the men all in a line and then stuck a women in the painting. So people are always in trouble if they do any thing that the people in power do not like.When long hair came in for boys I knew fathers who held their sons down and cut all their hair off. People are nuts. In SA they black out every women with any skin showing in magazines that come into the country. I heard a women on C-span say the man who gave the reply to Bush was not a good Am. because he had no flag behind him. Not only are people nuts but they should be behind high walls. The cartoon thing is just to silly for words and I bet some one will die in the silly mess.