You do realize that Bush is never going to be impeached, Right?

[benburch]

He has finally put himself above the law, and too many in his own party fear him (as people feared Stalin) to ever allow us to get the margin required to impeach in the House or to convict in the Senate.

Further he is going to use that power to throw all the '06 elections to Republicans that can be stolen by any means, not JUST electronic voting fraud, but brownshirt intimidation tactics, "felons" lists, stolen ballot boxes, fraudulent mail-ins, etc, with secure knowledge that nobody will ever be prosecuted for those crimes because the Party has the fix in.

Problem is we have no plan to make sure we will have a fair election.

Unless we come up with a plan, it is doubtful that Bush will even leave power in '08 as I'm sure he will find some hidden power to keep himself there "On an emergency basis."

I am currently thinking that a "labor revolution" is what we chiefly need; Slow down, be an obstructionist, strike, quit, demonstrate. Make it understood that we either have a fair election or we stop the wheels of the economy.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

1. I'll enjoy watching him crawl into obscurity.

[cry baby]

4. Who is that in the pic?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

11. An anonymous obscurity watcher.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

2. One Thing I've Learned Upon Traveling Down The Path Of Wisdom Is To Always

avoid using that word in context, ever.

Unlikely is a far better choice than Never, as never implies that the future is written in stone and cannot be altered regardless of the wildest of turns of events.

[Cleita]

3. I said it would have to be labor to bring these felons down

before the 2004 election. You and I are on the same wave length. However, since then labor has gotten weaker, especially since people desperate for jobs are willing to work for less because the jobs that were formerly union are being subcontracted out. I see it happening in my own county here.

It's a lot like the Third Reich. Hitler brought some sort of prosperity to Germany, but it was hand to mouth prosperity. I'm wondering when we are going to get jobs increases like this in the future, work but for lousy wages.

You know they are working on this, but they still don't want any unions and will do anything to destroy them.

[BeHereNow]

19. Hand to mouth economy is the key point here-

Most Americans are already struggling to
"put food on their families" as our modern
day Antoinette so blithely quipped some years ago.

The day to day living standard has become so
precarious for so many that they have given up
on issues like healthcare, education and other
social structures imperative to an empowered
citizenry. They are just trying to survive the
escalating cost of living in an escalating outsourced
economy. The multi national corporates are
not paying taxes into the economy, they are hiding
their money in offshore accounts, which is what
they have been doing in other countries they operate
in for YEARS. They are now doing it here, thanks to
Clinton and Bush.
Most people would be completely ruined if they
lost a paycheck under the new credit card laws and
bankruptcy laws.

There will be no uprising- people are too
exhausted by their struggle to keep afloat.

We are heading for a national Katrina-ville.
It won't happen overnight- it will be gradual
and systematic. It is already evident to anyone
paying attention, as many on DU are.
BHN

[Cleita]

23. I couldn't agree more.

I also believe that they planned this, not Bush, but those who are involved in keeping our Government obedient to them.

[BeHereNow]

33. Exactly- too many people believe the visible players are the problem

and have no comprehension that the real powers
are invisible and more treacherous than they can
fathom.
The BFEE is the tip of the global chicanery iceberg, so to speak.
It is what is under the water that buoys them that we must defeat,
and that is not going to be easy with a population too
beaten down by day to day living to even think about
such things.
BHN

[Flabbergasted]

5. Premature Analysis...

Unfortunately if we could be sure of that we would have a major revolt. But its not for sure. In addition especially in December we saw some Repubs break ranks indicating that they are more frightened of losing votes or have ethics.

[Maggie_May]

6. Lets hope in doesn't come to a labor revolution

hopefully in 2006 this administration will be uncovered for the crooks they are. A lot of people are waking up to the corruption in this government. Average people usually don't get it unless it hurts them personal I know that it sad but true. With the higher energy costs higher interest rates higher health care lower paying jobs people will start to see the light. Its just sad that we have to suffer for the mistakes of others.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

18. I appreciate your analysis, Maggie

but please don't underestimate the ability of the corporatized Religion Industry to refocus the People on dumb, hateful bigoted crap like marriage, sex and school curricula.

The Robertsons and Falwells, the Kennedys and the Dobsons can always be counted on to do their utmost to support this failed regime by offering pie-in-the-sky-when-you-die, promising people that paradise awaits them no matter how awful things become here.

I fear there is an over-estimation of the Republican collapse that makes some more "moderate" Democrats think that all they have to do is sit around and wait for the sands to shift and the Republican house to fall.

[Bouncy Ball]

24. I honestly think they can only go so far with that crap.

When Mr. White Redneck is looking at pawning his Game Cube to buy food for his kids because his job was outsourced, when he's drowning in credit card debt and the rules just keep getting tighter, when he's in danger of losing his house, when almost everyone he knows is laid off and those pitiful tiny tax breaks are just a distant memory (as they are already---and tiny because he isn't wealthy), the gay/religion thing can only go so far.

Bottom line, people gotta eat. I do agree that too many are sitting around waiting for the sands to shift, I say go on and help them shift some more! Be proactive!

But I honestly think the using gay issues and religious issues as a firestarter has a limited shelf life in the face of harsh economic realities. Without those economic realities, I think they have an indefinite life. But with them, they last only so long and go only so far.

Like a moderate, non-party affiliated voter said to me recently "gays getting married is just NOT a problem in my life. Finding a job, now THAT'S a problem." This guy cannot be described as liberal.

[rfranklin]

48. Look how well it worked up until the Depression...

turn on eimmigrant group against another, with the blacks always available for everyone else to hate. Meanwhile the J.P. Morgans and others of the ruling class stuffed their bloated bellies until they burst. And there never was a rebellion of any significance. If it hadn't been for FDR we would be part of the Third Reich today.

[Hardrada]

52. Be part of the Third Reich today. Wait.....!

[Bouncy Ball]

57. True that.

I was watching Gangs of New York the other day and some rich character said "get half of the poor to kill the other half" or something to that effect.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

61. I very much want for you to be correct, Bouncy

But hate is, after all, the most transcendant of human emotions. People will live at the brink of starvation if only they have someone to hate. Bigotry takes the edge off of want for the ignorant.

I want you to be right, but I know for a fact that the above analysis is more than accurate in describing about 20% of America. And that's statistically significant.

[NanceGreggs]

25. Like 72 virgins?

"... by offering pie-in-the-sky-when-you-die, promising people that paradise awaits them no matter how awful things become here."

These Fundies are as brainwashed as the infamous 'suiciders' in the ME --and they're too fuckin' dumb to make the connection.

[Bouncy Ball]

28. Good analogy.

But just to add on to what I said above, honestly the percentage of bush voters who are REALLY fundamentalists to the core is smaller than most people think.

Even the ones who act like they are all religious and go around beating their Bible often are exposed as hardly leading a spiritual life. All you have to do is scratch the surface to see that, as I often have in real-life examples.

Which means, like I said above, the fundie nutcase bullshit will only get them so far with people like that. The true fundies will hold on by their very fingernails. They could be destitute in the street with starving children and would still go to the polls to vote against gay marriage and scream that their kids can't pray in school (not true).

But those people are fewer than many think.

[NanceGreggs]

32. I agree that they're a smaller number than one would think ...

... but thanks to the Falwells of the world, they get the publicity.

The idiots don't even realize they've been had. Where's that amendment banning gay marriage they were promised?

Falwell and Robertson have gathered the Fundie sheeple into a group, to be delivered as a voting block. That's what the whole 'war on Christmas' was, a threat to boycott stores who didn't do things THEIR way -- so Falwell et al could prove that not only can the sheeple be offered up a voting group, they could be offered up as a consumer group, as well.

Consumer = money, money = power, power = political influence -- and all perpetrated in the name of Jesus Christ.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

62. They absolutely are!

And we would be well-advised to make sure they never figure out how similar they are. Because we are then well and truly screwed.

[brainshrub]

7. Yup.

Agree 100%.

[tatertop]

8. I agree as well. How do we get things going?

I am ready willing and able.

[stop the bleeding]

13. Call you State Reps and Senators - but I have a feeling that Congress is

for show and the laws and the authority that they are supposed to have is crap since 1. The Executive Branch is "above the law" and 2. Congress won't want to do anything that would be consider upstanding anyway.

[tatertop]

29. We already know that won't work (don't we?). A general Labor strike...

that is the key.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

9. A small, but significant step would be to refuse to use electronic

voter regulation wherever possible.

If, for instance, all labor unions would encourage their rank and file to use an absentee paper ballot, compelling their being hand-counted, the number would be nationally significant, given labor's propensity to vote.

It wouldn't constitute an outright boycott of the franchise, but people would know that there is no confidence in the electronic voter regulation system. And it would be one of the first single-focused statements labor has made in years.

On edit: faulty New Year's Day typing.

[no_hypocrisy]

10. I'd settle for a consolation prize of lame duck.

* holds a press conference, and Helen Thomas is the only one there, and she's snoozing (like the scene in "The Final Days").

* demands that Congress pass his bill, and they ignore him.

* orders a strike on Iran and/or Syria and the WH is deluged with telegrams, e-mails, phonecalls, demonstrations on Pennsylvania Avenue --
and that's only from Congressional republicans.

* goes visiting once-friendly hallowed halls in the mid-West, only to be told events have been canceled as they can't fill the hall more than one-quarter.

* only appears on the network nightly news programs when the topic is "Where did * go wrong?".

Rotten eggs thrown on presidential limo.

Etc.

[Patchuli]

12. Don't "misunderestimate" the people of the U.S.

and we are indeed weary of this fool. He's not helping his cause by insisting that he has the right to spy on us either, by either side. I think the public is finally starting to see what they are losing to this disastrous pResident. I know ending the war is becoming a priority. We'll see justice...

[Rex]

14. Hey, who thought Clinton would get impeached over a blowjob.

Shit happens. I personally think there is still time to stop the shift from republic to empire, but the window is closing fast.

[Cocoa]

15. the dems can win big in 2006 and 2008

that's how we can win. Bush deserves impeachment for any number of offenses, but I can't picture it happening.

[ClassWarrior]

16. The end result matters not. It is the right thing to do.

And that's all that matters.

Therefore I will...

Never Give Up.

[rucky]

67. Yep!

Set a goal and go on the journey. It's what happens in the process that matters.

[Independent_Liberal]

17. Oh shut up, you're just being a defeatist.

There are so many people around here who just want to throw in the towel, sit back, do nothing and be miserable. I'm getting sick of it. We're going to keep fighting and won't stop til we prevail.

[BeHereNow]

31. Defeatist or Realist?

I think the OP is a realist.
I agree with you about never giving up the fight- it's all
we have left, do I think can we win? Not in our lifetimes.
Can we survive it? Some of us will, others will pay
dearly.
The destruction that the elite have perpetuated
on the global economy and power structure will take decades to reverse-
and unfortunately, I do not believe for one minute that
impeaching Bush would stop the forward motion of
the neocon agenda. They would simply replace him with
another member of their elite circle, who knows, maybe
someone even worse.
I think we should prepare ourselves for that
possibility. These people are playing for keeps
and really don't care how many of us become collateral
damage in the expansion of the emipre.
I don't think that is a defeatist view- I think it is a realistic
assessment.
BHN

[Cleita]

35. I still think we should knock their bowling pins down one at a time,

no matter how many members of their elite circle they put up for us to try to strike. I think we should do it and starting with the shrub is a good start. I am tired of putting my tail between my legs and going back into my dog house until the next insult to injury.

[BeHereNow]

38. I agree with you but want to point out that to do so will

become increasingly costly to individuals acting on
behalf of the collective people of the world.
HS and the Patriot Acts were never meant to
protect us, they were contructed to protect
them from us- the chipping of the passports,
the Excutive Orders being passed with no
media or Congressional scrutiny-
all of it is every bit as treacherous as what
less empowered dictatorships in the histroy of the
world have done before them-
The significant difference between them
and the current despots can be chillingly
defined in one word.
Technology.
BHN

[Cleita]

39. Without a doubt, but if we don't at least stalemate them, they

will even get bolder and we will then be lost.

[BeHereNow]

45. Again, it comes down to numbers-

In the over all sense, if you break it down and look at the
odds, there are basically three or four distinct groups
in the population.
1. Those who have no clue and still think this is about fighting "evil."
2. Those who have a clue, but still don't fully understand.
3. Those who COMPLETELY understand and refuse to go down quietly.
4 Those who completely understand and will do what it takes to survive.

I believe the smallest group to be number three, and God love them
for it because there will be hell to pay for their brave actions.
(Think Dietrich Bonhoeffer
http://www.dbonhoeffer.org/)

I am leaning toward group number four because I have a kid
who needs me to survive and figure out how she is going to survive
when I am gone- that's how far I see this thing going into the future.

BHN

[Cleita]

50. I'll be happy to be #3 because I don't have anything to lose

anymore.

[BeHereNow]

54. Were it not for my kid- I'd be a number 4 too.

Knowing what these global power mad fucks have in store
for our kids keeps me from doing that.
Call me a coward, but my maternal instincts
are stronger than my stand and fight ones.
BHN

[Cleita]

55. I don't blame you and a year ago, when my husband was

still alive and needed me, I would have felt like you. But now that he's gone and no one needs me anymore, I can be somewhat reckless. I think maybe we need to identify everyone who is like me, who don't have that much to lose and get maybe some grass roots mayhem going.

[BeHereNow]

56. I DID NOT KNOW YOU HAD LOST YOUR HUSBAND!

I am so sorry.
:hug:
My sincere condolences.
BHN

[Cleita]

58. It was a little over a year ago and I'm getting along fine.

Thank you for caring. However, I think not having that little thing in your brain that says someone needs me is giving me some bravado to maybe do things I wouldn't ordinarily. I'm not talking about really rash actions. There is a smart way to do things. But not having to worry about someone else helps you to even think about it and maybe gamble a little.

[Independent_Liberal]

37. Nothing wrong with being realistic.

If that's how you look at it, fine. What upsets me is that there's people around here who feel like we shouldn't even try it at all. That's the same as saying you've been defeated when you haven't even gone up for a challenge. We at least need to try what we think is best for us and our country. Who knows, maybe it's not as hard as we're being told. That's exactly it, we don't know. We'll never know til we try.

[Cleita]

40. Yep. Good Germans. n/t

[BeHereNow]

41. There are points you should consider-

As I have pointed out on another post on this thread,
those who fight will face an increasing threat.
Not everyone has the courage or the stoutness of
their heart and convictions to put themselves at risk that way.
Doesn't mean they are not good people- it means they
are tired and beginning to comprehend the lengths the
powers that be will go to suppress them.

The Patriot Acts, the Executives Orders being passed
in the still of the night along with increased narrowing of
those who control the use of technology are all factors
in why some people may just become too overwhelmed
to fight- and simply choose to do what they need to
to survive and take care of their immediate circle of
loved ones.

BHN

[Bouncy Ball]

20. I think I'll disagree with your statement that "too many in his

own party fear him." I don't think that's true. They know they have to start hustling to set themselves apart for this year and 2008. They see the polls, they aren't blind.

[azureblue]

21. My two cents- march on Washington

I believe that congress will not impeach Bush, unless they see firsthand how many people want dimson out of office. And the only was to do this is with massive protests and marches on Washington. Congress doesn't think there is enough anti Bush sentiment, and they don't believe the level com communication the net & blogs provide.
I propose doing two things at the same time: have a "blog march" on Washington in the Spring. Spread the word on all blogs and get a million or so to march to remove Bush from office.
We need to show the current administration exactly who they are supposed to be serving- us, not the lobbyists or the big corporations. And show the loudly and often.

[Cleita]

36. Congress won't do anything until "we the people" scare the Hell

out of them. This year is the year we must do it.

[chaumont58]

22. I don't think he will!!

Presidential impeachment is really a political action, not a legal one. There is just no way that a repuke congress is going to impeach a repuke president. To believe it is going to happen is like believing a the flat earth society, or the Easter Bunny, or Santa Claus.
To think chimpie is going to finish out his term is not defeatist, but realist. It will happen.

[Bouncy Ball]

26. Impeachment is often used as a political tool (rather, threat of

impeachment) but actually it very much is a legal process and sort of turns the legislative branch into a psuedo-judicial branch.

Impeachment proceedings brought about purely for partisan reasons often fail and fail to even get started. In Clinton's case, sex sells, but even the Senate in that case failed to impeach. Repukes crossed party lines to fail to impeach him, too.

I'm not opining on the chances of impeachment charges. I've been surprised by events in life too often to say it CAN'T happen. Or to say that it WILL.

But impeachment IS a legal action, make no mistake.

[Independent_Liberal]

27. Oh yes, he WILL be impeached!

After the Democrats win back the House and Senate in November.

[Bouncy Ball]

30. A hell of a lot hinges on that, that is so true.

If the Democrats take back Congress in November, well, bush is really going to have to watch his back.

The really great part is that I think bush and other repukes underestimate Dems in Congress a lot. They've gotten a "pink tutu" reputation when, for many of them, that is simply not accurate. There's a lot of fighters in the party and everyday Dems like you and me want to put them in office NOW.

If that happens, it's a whole new ball game. And bush will probably still be underestimating them, which is good for us.

[MasonJar]

34. I wish that I could agree with you. However, most of the Pugs

I am friends with are life-long Pugs and they just vote for the party.

[Catch22Dem]

42. Agreed (n/t)

[Jara sang]

43. I loves me some monkey-wrenching.

[ladjf]

44. you are doing some good thinking here. Keep developing and

spreading the word.

[toddaa]

46. It's up to the Owners

If the Owners decide that they don't want him anymore, he's gone. With the war in Iraq filling the Owners coffers, I suspect he'll ride out his term.

A general strike is a great idea, but the media wing of the Owners will simply come up with a new reality show to placate the prols.

[longship]

47. I'm not too sure about that, benburch.

Things are not going so good for the Repugs the last six months. Their whole system is based on maintaining their political capital which has experienced a bit of recession in the past year.

Generally, I'm with you about the difficulty in bringing ChimpCo to account legally. However, I cannot believe that today's situation will remain static. The only question is whether there will be a tipping point.

I think it is important to push as hard as we can to change the situation as quickly as possible. God only knows you're doing your part, benburch.

Let's keep shaking things up. Maybe something will catch.

[Dunvegan]

49. The Unions Backing Paper Ballots via Absentee Ballots is Genius

With enough recipted voting in enough areas, it would be a very difficult business calculating which elections you could "skew"...and in the dark forest of Diebold voting machines, recipted voters would be a powerful political group.

From "What's the Matter with Kansas?" by By Thomas Frank.

The gigantic error in all this is that people don't spontaneously understand their situation in the great sweep of things. Liberalism isn't a force of karmic nature that pushes back when the corporate world goes too far; it is a man-made contrivance as subject to setbacks and defeats as any other. Consider our social welfare apparatus, the system of taxes, regulations, and social insurance that is under sustained attack these days. Social Security, the FDA, and all the rest of it didn't just spring out of the ground fully formed in response to the obvious excesses of a laissez-faire system; they were the result of decades of movement-building, of bloody fights between strikers and state militias, of agitating, educating, and thankless organizing. More than forty years passed between the first glimmerings of a left-wing reform movement in the 1890s and the actual enactment of its reforms in the 1930s. In the meantime scores of the most rapacious species of robber baron went to their reward untaxed, unregulated, and unquestioned.

An even more telling demonstration of the importance of movements in framing people's perspectives can be found in the voting practices of union members. Take your average white male voter: in the 2000 election they chose George W. Bush by a considerable margin. Find white males who were union members, however, and they voted for Al Gore by a similar margin. The same difference is repeated whatever the demographic category: women, gun owners, retirees, and so on – when they are union members, their politics shift to the left. This is true even when the union members in question had little contact with union leaders. Just being in a union evidently changes the way a person looks at politics, inoculates them against the derangement of the backlash. Here, values matter almost least of all, while the economy, health care, and education are of paramount concern. Union voters are, in other words, the reverse image of the Brown-back conservative who cares nothing for economics but torments himself night and day with vague fears about "cultural decline."

While leftists sit around congratulating themselves on their personal virtue, the right understands the central significance of movement-building, and they have taken to the task with admirable diligence. Cast your eyes over the vast and complex structure of conservative "movement culture," a phenomenon that has little left-wing counterpart anymore. There are foundations like the one operated by the Kochs in Wichita, channeling their millions into the political battle at the highest levels, subsidizing free-market economics departments and magazines and thinkers. Then there are the think tanks, the Institutes Hoover and American Enterprise, that send the money sluicing on into the pockets of the right-wing pundit corps, Ann Coulter, Dinesh D'Souza, and the rest, furnishing them with what they need to keep their books coming and their minds in fighting trim between media bouts. A brigade of lobbyists. A flock of magazines and newspapers. A publishing house or two. And, at the bottom, the committed grassroots organizers going door-to-door, organizing their neighbors, mortgaging their houses even, to push the gospel of the backlash. And this movement speaks to those at society's bottom, addresses them on a daily basis. From the left they hear nothing, but from the Cons they get an explanation for it all. Even better, they get a plan for action, a scheme for world conquest with a wedge issue. And why shouldn't they get to dream their lurid dreams of politics-as-manipulation? They've had it done to them enough in reality.

(Edited to add link: http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/19275 )

[dilligas]

51. You are right about the impeachment part

However, you are wrong about the '08 (actually '09) part. He will be gone--that is a certainty.

[Freedom_Aflaim]

53. Then the emperor has already won

:(


We should never give up. Even in the face of certain defeat*



*(I don't believe that defeat is certain, but rather defeat should not be a factor in the fight)

[benburch]

60. Not saying "give up", just that there will be no impeachment.

And that the polls will continue to be rigged.

There are other ways to defeat him, but none of them are going to be easy or safe.

As I said, I support a worker's revolt. There are limits to what he can do when people will simply not cooperate with the system. He can send out strikebreakers, and he can kill some of us, but if we have the resolve to be unmoved, then that method will bring him down eventually. We all know that most Americans disapprove of him. If we could get even a third of all Americans to slow down, obstruct, strike, walk off, quit, and protest, then we have them by the balls.

[BeHereNow]

64. Worker's revolt? Hell Ben...

I can't even get the parents at my kid's school to
protest the illegal actions of the administration
at the school!
Do you actually think the masses are going to
risk a paycheck to revolt?
I wish I had your faith in the beat down populace
but when parents are too tired to pursue illegal
actions against their kids on a local level, I have a hard
time imagining them participating in a revolution on
a national level.
BHN

[TankLV]

59. Never say "never". Without Hope, there is nothing.

I still have "hope".

Stranger things have happened.

[ddeclue]

63. You give him too much credit...

Bush's own party will probably hurry up and impeach him just so they won't lose the White House in the '06 elections by impeachment when they all get replaced in 2007.

You can't fix all the elections all the time even if you're George Bush and most Republicans are tired of covering for his screw ups and criminal behavior.

Doug D.
Orlando, FL

[Media_Lies_Daily]

65. That's your opinion.

[okieinpain]

66. he won't be impeached. but they will not declare martial law in 08

bet anybody on this site 50 bucks it will not happen.

[rucky]

68. Especilly true if nobody asks for it.

I like the labor revolution, though.

[BooScout]

69. I agree he won't be impeached,,,,

....but I don't see a revolution of any sort in America either. Americans are too fat and sassy to rise up against anyone.....a few may protest.........but protestors of any sort are always portrayed on the evening news as loonies and the general populice will never support them.

[orleans]

70. never say never!

and let's work on it. i like the "stop" idea.

please, don't say he'll never be impeached. it's one of the few things i live for!

[Vidar]

71. Go ahead. Destroy hope. Good job. Piss off.

[cascadiance]

72. This time "Do a Ukraine"!

If we feel there's a stolen election. Don't let them take away exit polling, and watch it like a hawk. Perhaps have (and EVERYONE support) a nationwide strike on election day to make sure everyone can vote then.

[bklyncowgirl]

73. Never say never, my friend.

I agree that at this point it is highly unlikely. But I believe that there is a scenario that would take him out of office.

Republicans will have to do it.

Let's say, however, that Republicans suffer significant losses in 2006 and that Democrats take back at least one house of Congress and seriously threaten a takeover in the other.

It could create a panic in the Republican party. I could see Cheney being ridden out on a rail--much like Spiro Agnew--and replaced with a nice Gerald Ford type placeholder.

The Republican candidate for President would, under this scenario, be someone with absolutely no ties to Bushism whatsoever. The congressional Republicans would want to distance themselves from Bush as quickly as possible and how better to do that than by joining Democrats in their call for impeachment.

For the sake of the Party, Bush would be forced to resign before the 2008 elections.

This scenario assumes that the Democrats have at least some courage and that the Republicans have at least some brains--both highly questionable concepts at best, but it is within the realm of possibility.

[tx_dem41]

74. Wow...defeatism, CT, fantasy, and empty call for revolution all...

rolled up into one post. Perhaps it is time for YOU to give up, Ben. You sound just like the RWers did in 1999 when discussing Clinton. I guess it boosts that whole theory about the extremists at both ends of the spectrum looping back around and meeting each other.

[Toots]

75. The Unions are not going to do what is right.

It ain't gunna happen and in fact more and more Unions will gravitate toward the GOP just out of fear of survival. Home of the Brave Indeed....

[Burning Water]

76. Stalin

was pretty rough on labor, too. Stalin would never stand for a strike, or a slowdown. If we try that, the Stalin Bush will simply have us shot.

[The Onyx Key]

77. Right

He won't. The sheeple might be dissatisfied, but they won't put enough pressure on congress to do anything, even if the Dems retake this year.

Focus on '08! We've got good possibles out there! Clark, Kucinich, Warner, just to name a few.