AMAZING, POWERFUL piece of work done by one of our fellow DUer's:

[samhsarah]

Everybody please check this out. And pass it around to everyone you know. bpilgrim has done it again and never ceases to amaze me. I have watched it about 5 times now and everytime I am brought to tears. I have gotten permission from the artist to post this link, so please take a look and keep this thread kicked for maximum visability. Thanks and peace everybody. http://nobravery.cf.huffingtonpost.com

[LynzM]

1. Bookmarking this for later!

Thanks! :)

[samhsarah]

5. no problem

thank bpilgrim :toast:

[uppityperson]

2. the little girl with parents blood on her hands looks like my niece.

[samhsarah]

3. isn't it so sad?

seeing those kids really makes it hit home.

[DemExpat]

4. Powerful work,

:cry:

Thanks for sharing this.

DemEx

[Midlodemocrat]

6. It is amazing. Wonderful work, bpilgrim!

[meganmonkey]

7. Kick so I remember to watch when I get home

:patriot:

[Tom Joad]

8. Last soldier pictured there... Back home in the states, suffering PTSD

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/01/29/MNGMHGVCEV1.DTL&hw=ptsd&sn=001&sc=1000
James Blake Miller-- Keep him in your thoughts, (or prayers, if that is your thing).
Support the Vets (BushCo sure as hell won't!)
Support the courage to Resist!
http://tomjoad.org/WarHeroes.htm

Support our Arab and Muslim brothers & sisters under attack.

Tell Congress --- not one more dime for Bush's war, bring the troops home now!

[samhsarah]

9. thanks for the links.

This illegal war needs to end.

[fooj]

10. I saw this a few days ago. Very powerful, indeed.

Awesome work, bpilgrim!

Peace.

[TomInTib]

11. You should post this every day .

At least once every damned day.

If I could, I would put it on one of the big screens at Times Square and run it 24 hrs a day.

[samhsarah]

13. Imagine that....

What a great idea.

[DarkmoonIkonoklast]

210. If I had a TV transmitter...

:rant: ... I'd override every damned broadcast frequency... :grr:

... I'd tap into every cable and satellite feed, :tv: and run this 24/7... no more entertainment... no more sports... no more &(*#$^@#& FUX %$#%^**$

... 24/7 every day, until this abomination of a war is over, and this abomination of an administration is behind bars, each and every one.

[tetedur]

12. The military is betrayed when leaders with no honor

order the military to do honorless deeds. What has happened to the vaunted code of honor?

[OnionPatch]

30. Well said

[laylah]

35. Exactly! Welcome!

[mdmc]

197. Welcome to DU! Peace and low stress!

no more honor, me thinks...

[alittlelark]

199. It has been ridiculed by a court jester

It sounds like you understand the concept of honor.

There is no honor among corporate theives.

Bush pushed himself forth as a CEO president.

[Lorien]

14. Bookmarked. k&r.

[ClayZ]

15. Excellent Work!

:kick:

[AndyA]

16. VERY POWERFUL!

This should be on all the news networks - talk about changing public opinion quickly, THIS WOULD DO IT!

[Lydia Leftcoast]

21. It would be great if it could be run as a PSA on the major networks

Of course, they wouldn't accept it. :-(

[mzteris]

100. What's that Al Gore channel thing? n/t

[samhsarah]

104. current tv

http://www.current.tv/

[Lydia Leftcoast]

106. Current TV

Yes, he should submit it to that channel.

[samhsarah]

22. Sure would.

Which is exactly why it would NEVER happen. Not in Bush's Amurika.

[Katherine Brengle]

17. bummer--i thought it might be me, lol. well done bpilgrim. n/t

[Batgirl]

18. excellent

I also think the musical accompaniment stands on its own. Great lyrics and that singer's voice somehow seems uniquely suited for that song.
The recurring line referring to Bush --"he has been here" -- is quietly chilling.

[samhsarah]

20. very chilling

really brings out what a monster he is.

[soup]

26. James Blunt

I'd never heard it before, either. Brings me to my knees. Add bpilgrim's brilliant photo work, and it's stunning.

bpilgrim has provided links about the singer in his thread here:
No Bravery (flash)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x310574

edit to add: Thank you, samhsarah, for providing a LOUD, attention-grabbing topic title. This work deserves to be seen, heard, and spread far and wide.

[Mark E. Smith]

117. James Blunt sold out 2 shows in NYC 10 minutes.

His Washington DC show sold out in less than 2 minutes.

He had the best selling record in Great Britain in 2005. It is now Gold in America.

You need to get it. He is becoming a phenomenon.

[Psst_Im_Not_Here]

223. I bought the CD

I previewed it on iTunes and fell in love with his voice. He's addictive. One of the reviews on iTunes commented that "his voice will haunt your soul" and that's is very accurate. You find you mind unable to let go of the songs and his voice haunts your mind. I highly recommend him!!

[Sydnie]

19. There are no words

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: What have we become?

[Tom Joad]

23. I do have a concern with the last text message...Outsource the war?

First this is a very powerful piece, and very appreciative of it.
I just have a concern about the very last part of it. Where it suggests the US "outsource the war" to Iraqis. It gives the impression that we should have the Iraqi people doing the killing (but does the US still remain the owners of the enterprise?). Just reminds me too much of the whole idea of "Iraqization of the war effort", like Nixon's idea of Vietnamization of that conflict (Let Vietnamese prevent a popular government, by all means, we just drop bombs from the sky). I doubt very much that this was the intention of the film creator, but that is my concern.

What the US needs to do, besides getting the hell out of the Middle East, is to support real self-determination. To end support for oppressive regimes (from Egypt to Israel, to Saudi Arabia. We will not be supporting oppression, military occupation).

[samhsarah]

29. I doubt it was the intention of the film creator, also,

but I can't speak for him. You would have to ask him about that. :-)

[varkam]

175. Excellent work. n/t

[bpilgrim]

195. I changed it

thanks for the feedback :toast:

peace

[Tigress DEM]

24. Ouch. Thanks

[stop the bleeding]

25. chilling - makes me teary everytime I see it n/t

[New Earth]

27. bookmark to watch later

[titoresque]

28. kick! Excellent!

[sweetm2475]

31. Really amazing, bpilgrim!

and so sad:cry:

[abluelady]

32. What does this say about the moron?

How can we as Americans tolerate this?

[laylah]

33. Stunning! I am speechless! n/t

[mousie]

34. excellent! kicking...

[bobbieinok]

36. what am I doing wrong? I just get a rectangle with a small icon in upper

left corner

[samhsarah]

37. do you have flash player installed?

that could be it. it is a flash video.

[bobbieinok]

38. thanks...no...is there a free download site?

[bpilgrim]

47. link

http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer

peace

[bobbieinok]

66. thank you and thanks for this piece

I remember some of the pictures. I don't see how you could stand to sort through so many pictures to find the right ones.

Seeing these, I was confronted in an even more profound way than before with a most unpleasant fact: MY country did this, I am responsible.

What devastation, what inhumanity, what pain and hatred we are bequeathing our children and grandchildren.

(And I have colleagues and family members who think US has done exactly the right thing under the 'leadership of a divinely chosen, Godly man.')

[samhsarah]

67. So beautifully said...

And so painfully true:cry:

[Vektor]

121. bpilgrim, thanks for this profound post.

Beautifully done, a gem as always.

[bpilgrim]

188. thank you Vektor

i am glad you had a chance to see it :hi:

peace

[donheld]

125. Thank you b

The whole world should see this.

[samhsarah]

60. I'm sorry I didn't get back to you before...

I left for a while. Glad to see you got it all worked out, though.:-)

[soup]

45. Will it open for you at bpilgrim's site?

bpilgrim has it here:
http://news.globalfreepress.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-3431

It opens and plays automatically when you open the link. I don't know anything about Flash, so if it won't open there, either, I don't know what to tell you. Hope someone can answer your question so you can see this video. It's incredible.

[bobbieinok]

59. yes; thank you

[Nikki Stone 1]

39. A strong piece of work. Recommended

Not that it needed it.

[leftchick]

40. Excellent!

and GD sad beying belief.... :cry:

[graywarrior]

41. Can't really say anything....

[ismnotwasm]

42. Absolutely stunning

I make a big deal about being a non cryer,(I'm a tough gal) but I'm goddam bawling my eyes out. I forwarded it to so many people..
Thank you.

[ultraist]

43. standing ovation

:applause:

I saw it earlier and I'm passing the link along. It's very moving. :cry:

[w8liftinglady]

44. wow.That is powerful

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

46. Wow.

Brilliant.




I just can't fathom how this could have happened.

[bpilgrim]

48. Thank you everyone

everyones response has been very kind and i really appreciate it.

:loveya:

peace

[GOPFighter]

53. A Standing O!

It brought tears to this old veteran's eyes...

I wish we could get this run as an ad during the Super Bowl. Just fade in and fade out, no additional message needed!

[WillyT]

64. Pilgrim... You Da Man, You Da Brother, You Da Love...

I'm crying again here.

Thank you for your powerful message!

:hug:

[samhsarah]

65. WillyT, I know someone who thinks You Da Man,

Mr. Mike Malloy:+

[WillyT]

69. *blush*

Aw shucks...

LOL!!!

:hi::yourock::hi:

[PretzelWarrior]

98. keep fightin' the power.

this illegitimate power from a Bush sucks so bad

[DemReadingDU]

105. very moving, thank you for sharing

[mzteris]

110. Submit to Current TV!!!

http://www.current.tv/studio/create


Submitting to Current

Can anybody submit VC2?

Yes! (Okay, one caveat: We generally can't accept submissions from people under 18 years old.)


What kind of submissions are you interested in?

Check out the create & upload area to get a sense of that. There's room for just about any short non-fiction work. And don't assume you need to send in a perfect, finished piece, either; we're also looking for compelling raw footage.

We're not looking for fiction, unless it's satire. And we're definitely not looking for music videos made to commercial music. (STOP THE COLDPLAY.)

Also, you'll probably have better luck if you make something new and fresh for Current, as opposed to just digging out whatever old work you have lying around.





What length are you looking for?

Thirty seconds to five minutes. If it's longer and really good, that's okay, too.

[bpilgrim]

181. thanks for the info

:toast:

I will do just that =)

peace

[Turn CO Blue]

49. Am moved beyond words except God help us all.

[BeHereNow]

56. Same here. N/T

BHN

[laylah]

50. Kick!

[Me.]

51. Chilling

[buddysmellgood]

52. I'd like to see that played on local tv...everywhere.

[Joe Fields]

54. Very deeply moving. What else to say?

[kiteinthewind]

55. Thank You. So incredibly moving.

I wish we could show that at our anti war rally on Sundays. I have some of those same pictures on my poster, as "collateral damage". For the most part, we get thank you's and support from the people who come by. However, we have the occasional 'sheeple' that come by and see my poster and shout "Go Bush!", as if they are ok with this. Sometimes I can see people averting their eyes, as if in shame, probably because they support the freakin' terrorist (Bush), so I walk to the edge of the street while they wait at the light, to make SURE that they get a good look. Thanks for sharing this. So sad... :cry:

[samhsarah]

58. No, thank YOU for getting your butt out there every Sunday,

and thank bpilgrim for sharing his beautiful work with us, people like you and him are getting the message out, and people get upset because, simply put, the truth hurts. And welcome to DU.:hug:

[kiteinthewind]

112. Thanks!

:hi:

[Booster]

57. Wow - that's all - just wow. K&R

[Ilsa]

61. "What About the Children?" they ask...

I haven't been emotional about the war since Binka's son got hurt. I keep burying it. This really got to me. This needs to be on tv. Bush needs to be in prison.

James Blunt - No Bravery Lyrics

There are children standing here,
Arms outstretched into the sky,
Tears drying on their face.
He has been here.
Brothers lie in shallow graves.
Fathers lost without a trace.
A nation blind to their disgrace,
Since he's been here.

And I see no bravery,
No bravery in your eyes anymore.
Only sadness.

Houses burnt beyond repair.
The smell of death is in the air.
A woman weeping in despair says,
He has been here.
Tracer lighting up the sky.
It's another families' turn to die.
A child afraid to even cry out says,
He has been here.

And I see no bravery,
No bravery in your eyes anymore.
Only sadness.

There are children standing here,
Arms outstretched into the sky,
But no one asks the question why,
He has been here.
Old men kneel and accept their fate.
Wives and daughters cut and raped.
A generation drenched in hate.
Yes, he has been here.

And I see no bravery,
No bravery in your eyes anymore.
Only sadness.

[samhsarah]

62. Thank you so much for posting the lyrics, Ilsa,

Such a beautiful song, and so sad.:cry:

[yorkiemommie1]

63. needs to be seen everywhere

thanks for an excellent film!

[proud patriot]

68. Wow bpilgrim

I cried my eyes out

[mzmolly]

70. B I think this is so powerful.

Thank you again, one more recommendation. I think I'll put this right into the impeachment research area?

[kentuck]

71. Good work pilgrim!

:)

[samhsarah]

72. MIKE MALLOY JUST GAVE OUT THE LINK TO THE VIDEO!!!!!!!

Woo Hoo bpilgrim!:woohoo: :yourock:

[ClayZ]

118. I listened to Malloy last night (as usual) and

He was very moved by this peice. He also came out firmly in the MIHOP camp last night!

Our son (a musician) told us a while back that Music and Art could stop the BFEE! I BELIEVE!


Thanks, bpilgram! You can change the world!

[samhsarah]

119. He did go on the record....

MIHOP. And I agree about bpilgrim's piece...He was SO moved, that it broke my heart just listening to him talk. I have never done this before, I usually just listen to each show once and that's it. But after last night, the way he was talking got to me so much that I downloaded the show and have listened to it over again twice now.

[ClayZ]

123. It was an amazing show! Your right, it is a KEEPER!

Speaking ptruth to power..... MIKE and Kathy MALLOY!

[Peter Frank]

73. WOW!!!...

This is a deeply moving piece. ...Extremely well done.

K&R

[Canuckistanian]

74. Deeply moving. Thank you bpilgrim.

I'm especially haunted by the words "He's been here".

For all the niceties and polite language used to describe "him", the reality is this. He's a monster, cold and calculating. He just doesn't give a damn.

Words fail me.

Thank you.

[Peter Frank]

75. Any problem with us posting it on other boards?... n/t

[bpilgrim]

76. please do

i am truely overwhelmed by the response, i hope every compassionate american can see this and help us stop these thugs.

thank you all :hug:

peace

[mzmolly]

79. B, my big "macho" husband was in tears after viewing your work.

It's amazing/powerful/touching. You deserve every bit of credit you get.

[mzmolly]

77. I'm certain there is not a problem with doing so.

I think BPilgrim intends to share his work.

[magellan]

78. Every time I watch it

...the song and images stir the deep sadness inside me for everyone caught up in this calamity -- our soldiers, the Iraqi civilians, the families near and far who will never be the same....

But knowing my country is responsible for all this shared pain is what breaks my heart.

[Peter Frank]

87. magellan ...

As long as you're fighting for real democracy, & not the perverted brand foisted on America and the world by this wayward (and questionably "elected") administration -- your country is not responsible for this pain.

[magellan]

92. I appreciate what you're saying, PF

It's comforting to think of it in those terms. But I'm just too good at imagining the dispirited soldiers who feel like they've been thrown to the wolves and abandoned by US voters, and the Iraqis who will for the rest of their lives be haunted by the injustice they're suffering at America's hands.

It isn't my country or yours that's doing this...yet for all intents and purposes, it is.

[Peter Frank]

97. I've wrestled with this as well..

I can't describe my disgust at what is being done in my name.

I've always felt lucky and proud to be an American. I still do feel this way, but for different reasons now.

It's more important now than ever to reassert the true American spirit of freedom -- as established by the document that all politicians swear to uphold and defend against all enemies -- foreign or domestic.

Of course it is immeasurably saddening that the PNAC/Bu$h (useful puppet) admin has taken us to here; but the rest is up to "We the people."

Let your mourning period be swift. You're needed on the front lines.

[Nite Owl]

80. I feel such deep sorrow

and such shame for my country, for what it has become.

May we be the peacemakers, all of us here on DU.

Thanks so much bpilgrim and samshsarah for sharing this. It says so much more than mere words can express.

[Peter Frank]

88. Blessed are the peace makers...

[samhsarah]

81. self-delete

[TygrBright]

82. I wept for the children...

...the sons and daughters of Iraqis maimed and dying, bewildered and lost, bereft of childhood and innocence.

...and the sons and daughters of Americans, caught in the monstrous machine of destruction that * has transformed our military into, looking around them at what they have wrought at his will, and the irreplaceable pieces it has torn from their souls.

sadly,
Bright

[az chela]

83. the cold blooded killer in the white house has to be stopped.

Why arent the democrats challenging this war???Why cant bush be stopped??I am sorry I dont understand how we have lost all our rights and freedom and innocent people are being murdered every day and no one can stop him.How is this possible???
What will it take for people to wake up and fight back???

[Beam Me Up]

85. He and the shoulders he sits on.

He did not gain that position without a lot of help. He does not maintain that position without a lot of help.

[Mikimouse]

84. Excellent work! Thank you...

I weep for what once was, and pray for what might yet be again.

[Ladyhawk]

86. Very poignant. I just feel emotionally wiped out.

Makes me very angry with * (like I ever stop being angry at *) and very sad for the soldiers and Iraqis. :( Damn. Just damn.

Will we ever learn to stop killing one another?

[LeahD]

89. I cry for all the loss. n/t

[choie]

90. Just ... wow.

Between the haunting music and the devastating images, this is one of the most staggeringly powerful anti-war statements I've seen in a long time. Your poignant work left me with chills and tears, bpilgrim.

Like others, I too wish this could get widespread airplay via a TV commercial/PSA. It deserves to be seen by all.

He has been here...

[Peter Frank]

91. bpilgrim - You Honor the True Spirit of America...

...with your passion and creativity.

If only the "Patriot Act" were about promoting the kind of true patriotism that you've so evocatively expressed here.

I salute your mind, heart, and conscience.

[Tsiyu]

93. Wish we could run this on CNN and F(UX)

and CBS and ABC and .....

Very, very compelling and no doubt eye-opening for some. Send it to ALL of your fundy friends.

[PretzelWarrior]

94. I've already forwarded to other message boards....

WOW. this is one of many many things that can "jump the propaganda" and get truth out to Joe and Jane Public.

Thanks for the link. It will literally be watched by millions.

[OneBlueSky]

95. should be run on every televison network . . . repeatedly . . . n/t

.

[LincolnMcGrath]

96. A strong piece of work. Truthseekers Rule!

Absolutely Amazing.

[mzteris]

99. This makes me so ashamed

to even be an American. How can we let this happen in our name?

:cry:

Every person needs to see this. Who can hack the Superbowl feed or something?

I'm sending this to Dole and her dimwitted cohort - hell I can't even remember his name he's so worthless - I wonder if they have the courage to watch them.

I think I'll send this to every media whore I can think of, too. Tweety, Scarborough, O'Reilly, Couric, Limbaugh - all those bastards should be made to watch.

[Donailin]

109. only people capable of shame get it

those you mention have no fully formed conscience -- it would be wasted on them

[Hailtothechimp]

101. I would call this haunting.

If anyone thinks (maybe not here, but in other places) that we aren't sowing generations of hatred in Iraq, then they're as stupid as stupid can be.

Thanks to all who made the video happen.

[coffeenap]

102. not enough words...but, no offense intended, this should be the

campaign commercial for every progressive democrat. I want to take this to school board meetings, to churches to be the sermon on sabbath, to my stubborn "conservative" friends still drunk on the poisonous koolaid of the fuhrer. thank you for posting this--i will keep it forever as a summary of this administration.

[in_cog_ni_to]

103. Wow. Just wow! That was amazing bpilgrim! The babies.

The poor babies.:cry: If every American saw those pictures, there's NO WAY ON EARTH they would support this freakin' war. That was so sad.

GREAT work, bpilgrim!:applause:

[seemslikeadream]

107. JAH BLESS bpilgrim

only sadness

[Donailin]

108. sick of it

sick of it all. When will it end?

so heartbroken. better there than here? I see nothing "better" about any of it

[ljm2002]

111. That was beautiful...

...powerful, and sad.

[DemInDistress]

113. words cannot express what I just seen !!! what have we done?

[Loge23]

114. Not in our names

I am not a war criminal.
I am not the butcher of Baghdad.
I am not a murderer.
I do not kill children.
I do not destroy cities.
I do not support the troops.

[Bluerthanblue]

115. . tears..... profound..hell on earth, truth, so beautifully?!? told...wow

excelently done-
Thank you for this painful work.

[PatrioticLeftie]

116. Powerful

Powerful footage

[whatelseisnew]

120. Suggestion: Send it to Sundance & Cannes (n/t)

[guruoo]

122. For full screen presentations, use this direct link...

http://nobravery.cf.huffingtonpost.com/no_bravery.swf

[yellerpup]

124. Beautiful and heartbreaking.

I cried.

[Jamnt]

126. Thankyou for posting this..

I cried too...

[Peter Frank]

127. .

[nuxvomica]

128. Haunting

:cry:

[Ava]

129. please credit

bpilgrim. please credit peacetakescourage with being the inspiration for you animation since you did after-all make it after seeing the bravery animation: http://ptc.cf.huffingtonpost.com/animations/bravery.html

which has the same music, the same message, and the same effect with bush's eyes.

thanks.
http://ptc.cf.huffingtonpost.com

[bpilgrim]

131. hi ava

as i had written to you i had started working on this one day before (01/22) you even published it on line (01/23) but i am not surprised two people thought of the same theme considering the lyrics.

welcome to DU and great work :toast:

peace

[Ava]

132. no date

in the email you didn't mention any date. the fact is that you saw my animation and made one very similar to it after seeing it. i don't mind but i would atleast like to be credited.

thanks.

[bpilgrim]

133. well

i can see the creation date on my file and i am pretty sure i even posted a preview here on DU, but the fact is that i didn't see yours till 3 days ago when a friend sent me the DU link.

as i said, i am not surprised that 2 people came up with the same theme considering the lyrics and the horrible situation we are in in Iraq. i'm sure there will be even more as this song becomes more well known in the states.

peace

[Ava]

134. peace takes courage

you posted the preview in a thread about my animation. whatever. obviously you are going to credit someone else's idea as your own. i do think it's a bit sad that you used a 15 year old's idea though. i wasn't asking you to take it down or anything, i was just asking you to credit me. anyways........

peace.
http://ptc.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

[bpilgrim]

137. i am sorry

you feel that way but that isn't the truth.

i have been posting about my flash before i saw your piece... you didn't even publish yours till 01/23 right? as i said the creation date on my file is 01/22 and i believe i posted a preview here on the same day.

i don't know what more to say :shrug:

peace

[hwmnbn]

170. Can we see more of your work?.......

I went to your production site

http://news.globalfreepress.com/gallery/

and can't find any. Is there another site featuring your talents? I'm sure you've been inspired before and since this amazing animation.

[bpilgrim]

177. link

http://GlobalFreePress.com/flash

i did that a couple years ago when numb-nuts send 'brng it on'

i am sure you will recognize my style, though i now only have 2 flash animations out there, though i have been collecting media at gfp for some time now to use in current & future projects.

peace

[samhsarah]

149. .

bpilgrim posted preview: (Jan 31) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=287846&mesg_id=287846

hwmnbn posted your link: (Feb. 1) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=300016&mesg_id=300016

[Junkdrawer]

150. I think this thread (from Jan. 25) may be the source of the confusion...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=242700

Note that bpilgrim posts his response three minutes after the original post. That's simply not enough time to download and view AVA's excellent flash, much less time to post a link to a similar effort.

I think we have a case of "great minds" here.

[samhsarah]

151. Thanks for posting that.

You're right and it's obviously a case of "great minds". It does kind of bother me, however, that one talented artist would use a public forum such as this to attempt to call another talented artist out with no solid facts to back up any of the claims made. It is not a far stretch to think that both of them, being the great artists that they are, heard the song, and thought with lyrics and music like that, they could put pictures to it to tell a story.

On edit: I do not know much about Ava, her work is new to me, and I have checked it out on the HuffPo and it is wonderful, and as far as bpilgrim is concerned, I check out his work on a regular basis on http://news.globalfreepress.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=lastupby&uid=1 and there is nothing that would make me think that this piece didn't come straight from his heart.

[bpilgrim]

153. thank you

both of you. :toast:

once the archives are turned back on i will look for my first post about my flash, hopefully it was on the same day i started - (01/22) in mike malloys thread, i think - and this will clear this whole thing up quickly since hers was first made public on 01/23 at her site - that i had never been to before until a DU'er pointed it out to me on 02/01.

either way i wish her all the best, she is obviously very talented and the more of us working to spread the word, the better.

peace

[hwmnbn]

182. This issue was first addressed privately.....

with no resolution. So that should relieve some of your bother. Once this thread appeared, it was made public. I advised her to take a stand for what she felt was right. It was not easy for her to come in here as a newbie and state her case. I'm proud of her.

She never expected this would happen. She and bpilgrim both know how they created their animations. Since both are comfortable with their efforts, all we can do is stick by our friends.

BTW, bpilgrims commitment to our cause has never been questioned. Artistic originality is the only issue involved here. In the grand scheme of things it's a minor blip in time, unless you're an artist. Only then does it matter.

[bpilgrim]

184. no it wasn't

i tried to make contact but i was ignored, even told that my emails were getting through but NO answer accept suddenly this public attempt to slander me.

now, after it being brought out in public only you pm me here and after repeated attempts to explain my work, prove my time frame and explain how it is not hard to understand how 2 people could come up with the same theme using the same song independently, not only have i still haven't even received an apology more untruths appear.

stop, please.

peace

[hwmnbn]

189. my position on this matter.......

This will be my last post on this thread. In the spirit of full disclosure, this is why I got involved:

http://peacetakescourage.com/forum/privmsg.php?folder=savebox&mode=read&p=881

As you can see she has no PM privileges here yet. You've asked both Ava and me for apologies. We instead are willing to offer our evidence about your timeline.

I am willing to do this privately or publicly on another thread if you prefer. You make the call.

And for samhsarah, I also am a musician/songwriter/*artist* and I did not do this without consideration. This has been unpleasant for everyone. I'm thinking Ava has learned some valuable lessons because of this controversy.

Hopefully, bpilgrim and Ava can reach some conclusion that is acceptable to both and we can all go on to bigger and better things.

[samhsarah]

190. I will happily move on....

and leave this to bpilgrim and Ava. You might want to consider doing the same. As I said before, I think twice now, this should have been between the two of them in the first place. But since you are an artist as well I guess you already knew that. Good luck in all you do.

Peace.

[bpilgrim]

198. your link is broken

anyways, here is the first post i made here on DU about my flash 'No Bravery', on Jan 23 (i started it Jan 22) before i ever even heard of ava or her site...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=218736

that, with the screen-shoot i sent to ava of my original file with it's creation date (01/22), hopefully, will finally settle this matter.

we are ALL trying to get the word out, lets not eat our own.

keep up the good fight.

peace

[samhsarah]

185. .

I'm not trying to take sides here. As you stated, only each individual artist knows what inspired them to do each particular piece of work. I am proud of Ava, as well for the amazing work she has created and for taking such initiative, using her art to speak out politically is a brave thing to do, especially as such a young age.

As an artist myself, I can tell you that what was implied here is a very hurtful accusation to make and if you intend to do so publically, you should be prepared to back up your claims. All of this is just my opinion, and I am neither of the artists' involved so other than stating my opinion, there is really nothing else for me to say.

I wish both artists well, they are both very talented, and as far as getting the message of peace out, you are right, we are ALL on the same side here.

[Sapphire Blue]

135. Hi Ava! Welcome to DU!

:hi: :hi: :hi:

If you are the Ava of Peace Takes Courage (http://www.peacetakescourage.com), I have been admiring your outstanding work for quite some time... especially like 'Declaration', and 'Someone's'.

[Ava]

138. thanks sapphire blue

thanks for the welcome and the compliments sapphire blue. I posted http://ptc.cf.huffingtonpost.com/animations/someones.html">Someone's, http://ptc.cf.huffingtonpost.com/animations/bravery.html">Bravery, http://ptc.cf.huffingtonpost.com/animations/2000.html">2000, and http://ptc.cf.huffingtonpost.com/animations/why.html">Why (a new animatoin) over at the contagious festival. I'm working on a new animation and will hopefully have it up early next week. :)

[Sapphire Blue]

139. You're welcome... all of your work is excellent!

Please forgive me if I'm being presumptuous, but might you consider doing an animation based on this thread? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x319415

Someone in the thread suggested it, and I don't have the means or knowledge to do it.

Again, welcome to DU, and I hope you continue to post here!

[Ava]

141. bookmarked

Thanks for the link. I bookmarked the thread and will definately consider it! Awesome post!

[Sapphire Blue]

142. Thanks!

I would be honored if you decide to do it.

Being only 15 now, I can only imagine the impact you're going to have on the world in the future! You are awesome!

[Ava]

143. thanks

:blush:

[Peter Frank]

165. .

[madokie]

130. there was a small article in todays tulsa world about James Blunt

I wish I could post a link but can't.

[H2O Man]

136. Intense.

Very moving. Powerful beyond words.

Thank you for this.

[Liberal In Texas]

140. Excellent Excellent Excellent

[Sabriel]

144. Kick for everyone to see it.

Thanks for reminding me again of what we're doing to innocents.

[Sydnie]

145. I had to go watch it again several times today

It is like the unamerican video in my signature line ... I can't get past the message and the impact it has on me. I have watched almost all of the listings on that huffington post page, and none had struck me the way this one has.

Thanks again bpilgrim for doing this and giving a visual to what is in my head.

[fortyfeetunder]

146. Oh my goodness.

These pictures just are heartbreaking. Especially the little ones. But it's a message we need to get to some closure there, whatever it effing takes!

:cry: :kick:

[bullwinkle428]

147. This is just so incredibly powerful and moving - I saw this morning for

the first time, and the images and music have absolutely been haunting me all day...:cry:

[haydukelives]

148. WOW

kick

[Peter Frank]

152. Keep this kicked???

:kick:

[nofurylike]

154. kick, because everyone should get to see this! eom

[Peter Frank]

155. Indeed...

[nofurylike]

156. painful. powerful. i hope you all go see it! eom

[nofurylike]

157. kick!

[Peter Frank]

158. Did you say kick???... n/t

[nofurylike]

159. yes i did say kick, and i say it again! thank you Peter Frank eom

[upi402]

160. It's pretty damn powerful k/r

[Peter Frank]

161. I hear a kick there... n/t

[opihimoimoi]

162. R and K

Thanks for the Link BPilgrim

[nofurylike]

176. isn't it? kick. eom

[Swamp Rat]

163. Excellent!

:kick:

[Peter Frank]

164. Yes... n/t

[bpilgrim]

166. thank you, all

the response has really been overwhelming for me... i've never received so many warm regards from so many people in my life and i want everyone to know how much they are appreciated. :loveya:

as i was working on this i couldn't stop thinking how terrible it must be for everyone over there who actually witness this.

we simply MUST bring our troops home, NOW!

peace

[Sydnie]

167. No, thank you!

I wish I could do what you do. I post threads with lyrics and pictures here, but I wish I could do what you do. It touches so many people so deeply.

I can't get your production out of my head. Is it available from another site? Somewhere I could do a permalink to in my sig?

Keep on doing what you're doing. It's working.

[bpilgrim]

169. LINK

http://news.globalfreepress.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-3431

Thank you for your kind words & if you are interested in the software i used it can be found here...
http://www.macromedia.com/software/flash/flashpro

:hi:

peace

[Sydnie]

173. Added it to my signature

thank you again. I might try that software again. I tried flash several years ago and it beat me. I just might try it again though. :hug:

[burythehatchet]

168. I've bookmarked it and send it as an attachmement to

all e-mails to friends. Is the poetry and music original?

[bpilgrim]

171. James Blunt - here is an excellent article on him...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/norfolk/content/articles/2005/05/18/music_feature_james_blunt_interview_200505_feature.shtml

thank you for pass'n the word :toast:

peace

[burythehatchet]

172. thansk for the link

he sure has a 60's look about him - very Jim Morrison'esque.

[Shine]

174. Whew. Intense. n/t

[Peter Frank]

178. bpilgrim...

What else are you working on?

[bpilgrim]

180. hi Peter Frank

a couple things folks asked me to look at but no commitments, yet.

i will post whatever it is here and at my site http://globalfreepress.com

:hi:

peace

[BlueCollar]

179. kick...n/t

[myrna minx]

183. That was so powerful.

:cry:

[zann725]

186. Wow. Powerful. Puts that "Support Our Troops"in startling TRUE light.

n/t

[mantis49]

187. OMG

So powerful!

I'm sending this link to my family members, some of whom are die-hard Bushies.

[JohnnyCougar]

191. I have a problem with it.

The entire thing is very powerful. It's absolutely great. But why does it have to say "Outsource the War"? That's like saying let the war continue, let's just not be responsible for it anymore. It should say "end the war" not "outsource the war". Because after watching that powerful video, I can't agree that we should let that kind of stuff continue just not with our own soldiers.

[bpilgrim]

194. I agree

a few people have mentioned this to me and so i changed it to 'end the war'
it is much more in tune with the msg of the FLASH.

thank you (and everyone else) for your wise advice :toast:

peace

[Elveta]

192. No Bravery

This is the most heart wrenching anti-war, anti-Bush presentation that I have ever seen. I stumbled across it Saturday morning when I logged onto the Huffington Post. I was addicted. I cried the first several times I watched/listened to it. I was undone by the whole thing, but the most painful moment for me was the second picture of that little girl with blood on her hands and the little boy standing off to the right. He just sort of had this lost look on his face. So little, so young, not understanding, and terrifed since "He has been there."

[bpilgrim]

193. Welcome to DU!

:toast:

I will never get those pictures out of my head.

Thank you for your kind words.

peace

[bpilgrim]

196. I just emailed James Blunt

I posted this flash to his board and someone dug up his board manager's email so I sent him a note to let him know this was out there...
http://www.jamesblunt.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=2301&forum=Miscellaneous

again thanks everyone for the positive feedback :hug:

peace

[goddess40]

200. WOW!!!

this deserves a permanent link on the home page!

[TNOE]

201. God I want to watch this

but it just breaks my heart and I don't think I can stand watching it right now - so obviously its a beautiful piece of work - but I guess I'm feeling a little too sensitive this morning. Got through the first minute and felt a huge lump in my throat, couldn't take anymore right now.

Will save to watch later.

[Sydnie]

202. I agree

I added the link to my signature the other day, but I would love to see it on the homepage too.

[jschurchin]

203. Incredible, Touching, Moving.....

it made me cry, not only for the men, women and children but for our children in uniform. IT IS TIME TO BRING THEM HOME!!!!

[BadGimp]

204. Thank you bpilgrim - I can.t stop thinking about values now

We are united in the fact that we share a sense of ownership for the pain and suffering this administration does because they do it in our name. That is because of our shared values.

This presentation forces me to focus on that. I wish those Americans who are so quick to dismiss those of us who oppose this immoral and illegal war would try to look past their simple bias and try to understand why we feel so strongly. But they can't, and so they won't.

[WildEyedLiberal]

205. This is so stunning

:applause: Bravo, bpilgrim!

[newswolf56]

206. Just came upon this work today (thanks to a site I'm not allowed to name).

It is without a doubt the most powerfully evocative work of its kind I have ever encountered -- more apt than Ginsberg's now-legendary "Howl" or his definitively anti-war "Wichita Vortex Sutra," more disturbing than Billie Holiday's "Strange Fruit." It is a genuine breakthrough in its blend of words and pictures; it transcends all the limitations too often imposed by the characteristically American division of politics from art. For me personally it achieves a heartfelt intensity of political passion I had hitherto found only in the plainspoken and deservedly legendary songs of Celtic rebellion or the Russian Revolution, a breathtaking poignancy perhaps only equaled by the Shostakovitch/Yevtushenko version of "Babi Yar" -- the highest praise I can manage to babble, still stunned as I am after hearing and seeing it twice in succession. Thank you so much for posting this.
_________
Edit: typo.

[weelittle]

207. No Bravery

Who was james actually referring to as the man who "has been here", when he wrote the song in Kosovo???

[Rhiannon12866]

208. Welcome to DU, weelittle ...

It's great to have you with us! And it's wonderful to know that this amazing post has brought us another kindred spirit...:-)

Rhiannon:hi:

[weelittle]

212. Re: No Bravery

Thanks Rhiannon.
Does anybody know who the person "He has been here" was meant to be, when the song was written in Kosovo in 1999? Obviously it wasn't Bush originally, although he seems a perfect fit now. A wonderful video!! A wonderful song!!!

[Sydnie]

213. I am not sure what you are getting at ...

Perhaps you can tell us who YOU think he was talking about when he wrote it?

Welcome to DU weelittle.

[Xithras]

221. The "He" in the original song is supposed to be vague.

Generally, "He" = the angel of death, but Bush fits. It's also been suggested that the He is Milosevic, who was responsible for the death and destruction that the original song was written about.

I don't think Blunt has ever really answered the question though.

[weelittle]

222. Re: No Bravery

Thanks Xithras,
I Emailed the James Blunt website, and I've just received a reply. They said that when he wrote the song, he meant 'He" to be "evil and death."
I suppose 2 words could sum that up - George Bush!!!!

[DarkmoonIkonoklast]

209. I did not join the Marine Corps for this. He is an abomination.

He and his cabal... his Satanic Coven... :banghead:

I have no words. :cry:

I pray for James Blunt that he survive the consequences of this piece of Truth...

... and I thank all my Gods that he wrote it and shared it with an undeserving world.

It will be sent to my Dirty Dozen momentarily.

[Acebass]

211. Powerful!...

[ifriar]

214. We are those children...

Don't misunderstand me, we Americans are all complicit in this mess. All of us are appalled, yet fervently hope that we can hold on to our rich lifestyle and keep all our goodies. Whether voting has or has not been rigged to get these guys in office is immaterial because our whole society has produced these Enron-type of people, and they are us. So we do need to feel that we are partly to blame.

On the other hand, if you're like me when you watch this video and look into the eyes of those lost little children you will see yourself. We used to be naive. We used to believe we could do no wrong. We used to believe we were the greatest country, the greatest form of government. Just like those children believed that their parents would protect them and be there for them, we have believed that our country would do those things for us. And just as those children inevitably will be hardened and even more hardened, we too are hardened because of the loss of our naivete, our innocence. That is why it is so spooky to look at those kids, because down deep inside we know that they are us, and we are them.

Saying, "Sorry" obviously won't undo the damage. Paying the survivors huge sums of money wouldn't even be enough. There is NOTHING we can do, nothing that will make it good, nothing. The only thing we can try to do is to fess up to our own complicity, our disgrace.

[upi402]

215. yep, it's great

i sent it out a while ago.

kick!

[Sydnie]

216. Just watched it again - after seeing the new pix aired in Australia

thought this needed another kick for those that might have missed it.

[ornotna]

217. Bravo bpilgrim

Amazing piece of work. Wow.

[okcitykid]

218. I've Posted It

I've posted a link on my blog, secure america and captain cynic. It is a very powerful piece - depicting the travesty without condemning the soldier but putting the squarely where it belongs. Excellent piece, I wish everyone could see it.

[Clara T]

219. kick n/t

[meria]

220. This from the "save the fetus", Leave no child behind crowd

Our govt is a hypocritical killing machine and that claims a "culture of life" while exhibiting only a culture of death.
We hear save the fetus from the Christian fascists, leave no child behind (alive I guess) from their lips as well.
The "Christian" leader of the US forgot the meaning of "suffer the children unto me".
This film is very sad indeed when we are constantly told "support the troops" when our own govt has made monsters out of them.
Sad indeed.
www.Meria.net

[Clara T]

224. only sadness n/t

[ifriar]

225. Very difficult (or impossible) questions to think about

Here are questions I've asked others before, and I've never received good answers, because there are no good answers.

How old do you let your children get before showing them videos or pictures like 'No Bravery'? What about the torture videos? Do we let them get indoctrinated by their schools where their teachers aren't allowed to express a pro-peace viewpoint, or by the right wing controlled media's crusade against peace? Even when going to Wal-Mart or the local toy store there is a preponderance of war toys and games, which may give the impression that war is fun. Should we let our kids have fun playing at war, until they are old enough to see video that would very likely be rated 'R' or 'NC-17'?
Sadly, but obviously, we must at some point go from telling them stories of Santa Claus to telling them the truth about the world. We cannot let them get to enlistment age before we start telling them and showing them what they are in for.

Why is Peace a dirty word? Why are (peaceful) peace activists smeared, denegrated, arrested? What is so aggregious in loving your neighbor, or at least wanting to follow very simple rules of civilized people like 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you'? How do we combine the concepts of bringing peace through use of the sword, with 'live by the sword, die by the sword'?

If people were genuinely 'pro-life' wouldn't they be against capital punishment, against war, against torture of foreign nationals, and against the mistreatment of animals in factory farms, and against the proliferation of firearms? Shouldn't so-called 'pro-life' people be for rescuing those in danger from catastrophes like Katrina or from a Tsunami? Shouldn't 'pro-life' also encompass feeding the poor, and supporting programs to lift up and encourage those who need it so desperately?

One more difficult question. How do we say we are against slavery, when we take our companies to other countries so that we can pay a worker pennies a day and deny him the normal and reasonable treatment and working conditions that he should expect from his employer? Why do we still employ illegal aliens in the fields, in packing plants, and in hotels? If we are truly against slavery like we say we are, how come the porn industry is at an all-time high? Why do we look the other way when we know darn well these people are being used and many times abused?

Perhaps the Native Americans had it right when they said that us white men speak with forked tongue.

To wrap this up, unless we of the United States of America turn back from our greed and re-align our values, we are heading for destruction. We have become like a rich spoiled playboy son who is getting disinherited by his family because of his lifestyle. We will be 'cut off'.