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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:33 PM
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Sen. Pat Roberts is pissed with Howard Dean

http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=4044

Intelligence Committee Chairman Lambastes Howard Dean


“I was recently apprised of your assessment of the President’s terrorist surveillance program – an “early warning” capability to intercept the international communications of al Qaeda terrorists to and from persons within the United States. With respect to this important program, you stated, “President Bush’s secret program to spy on the American people reminds Americans of the abuse of power during the dark days of President Nixon and Vice President Spiro Agnew.” As Chairman of the Select Committee on Intelligence, I find your statements to be irrational and irresponsible.

“Any suggestion that a program designed to track the movement, locations, plans, or intentions of our enemy – particularly those that have infiltrated our borders – is equivalent to abusive domestic surveillance of the past is ludicrous. When Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson approved the electronic surveillance of Martin Luther King, those Presidents were targeting American citizens based on activities protected by the First Amendment. When President Richard Nixon used warrantless wiretaps, they were not directed at enemies that had attacked the United States and killed thousands of Americans.

“I believe Americans understand that the careful and targeted program authorized by President Bush has no relation to the abuses of the past. Indeed, its closest antecedent is the direction of President Franklin D. Roosevelt to Attorney General Robert H. Jackson on the eve of World War II. With war looming and reports of lurking enemy saboteurs, President Roosevelt ordered the use of domestic electronic surveillance to target “persons suspected of subversive activities.” As President Roosevelt noted, “It is too late to do anything about it after sabotage, assassinations and ‘fifth column’ activities are completed.” Significantly, President Roosevelt’s direction was issued despite a statute (Section 605 of the Communications Act of 1934) and Supreme Court precedent (United States v. Nardone, 302 U.S. 379 (1937)) that prohibited such wiretapping.

“When President Bush exercised his constitutional authority and responsibility as Commander-in-Chief to target international communications between potential terrorists within this country and al Qaeda members overseas, he recognized, just like President Roosevelt, that after a terrorist attack occurs “t is too late.” Our nation had been attacked on September 11, 2001, by foreign enemies. We were, and are still, at war with an enemy that Congress identified in an Authorization for Use of Military Force (Pub. L. No. 107-40 (Sept. 18, 2001)). Much of the war against al Qaeda is being fought overseas – Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq. But the war against terrorism is not confined to foreign lands. The war against terrorism is being fought every day in our own backyard. America is a battlefield.

“In peacetime and especially when our nation is at war, our leaders, including the chairmen of our political parties, should be more careful and better informed before they criticize the intelligence programs that protect our nation. Vibrant debate is important in our free society, but that debate should be serious and rational, especially where national security is concerned. Too many are looking at national security issues through partisan lenses. I have seen it on the Intelligence Committee for the past three years. Our nation, and the men and women of the military, law enforcement, and the intelligence community, deserve better.”




:rofl:
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:35 PM
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1. Poor Howard is gonna cry himself to sleep tonight, I just know it.
:rofl:

If Pat Roberts wasn't pissed off at Dean, that would be cause for concern!
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:35 PM
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2. Oooooh! A letter! I'm sure he's shaking.
Food for the paper shredder at the DNC office.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:35 PM
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3. Lying fucker
He knows this is a pack of lies and doesn't care. I'm glad Dean pissed him off.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:36 PM
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4. Quakers Vs Fakers!
The Quakers have always been a great threat I guess, to the Baptists.
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SeattleRob Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:36 PM
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5. Roberts is a hack!
Why should we care what he says?
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 04:43 PM
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29. Roberts is a dishonorable, lying tool of the Bush Administration. (eom)
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:36 PM
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6. Vibrant debate is important in our free society
Edited on Fri Feb-03-06 03:37 PM by boobooday
But only if the subject is sex (i.e. gay marriage, Clinton's BJ, etc)!

Oh, and I love this:

“In peacetime and especially when our nation is at war, our leaders, including the chairmen of our political parties, should be more careful and better informed before they criticize the intelligence programs that protect our nation."

In peacetime and in war, YOU MUST ALL SHUT THE HELL UP!

:puke:

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:46 PM
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16. Hey Pat, it's proven that our Intelligence SUCKS.
Criticize ON Howard!!!!!
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:36 PM
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7. We don't know who he was listening to - it's still illegal!
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:37 PM
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8. So what my Senator is confirming
is that in the views our our dear leader, the Quakers ARE a terrorist organization.

Double Plus GOOD!
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Salviati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:39 PM
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9. Even if I were to believe this:
“I believe Americans understand that the careful and targeted program authorized by President Bush has no relation to the abuses of the past."

I would still be calling for his impeachment because of the precedent it sets, and the possibility of abuse in the future. Given the predilection of the republicans to abuse any power given to them, however, I don't believe this in the slightest...


(I just love that word "predilection" in this context... it just conjures up all sorts of seamy undertones :) )
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:42 PM
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14. it's the "trust me" line
sure, you've done so much to gain our trust...
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:48 PM
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17. I DO trust him...
to always do the most blatantly political thing, even if it is criminal. Roberts' has hitched his wagon to Bush's political star - too bad for him that it has turned out to be a vomit comet.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:39 PM
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10. Howard Dean is a true-hearted prophet. Pat Roberts is a slug. / nt
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:39 PM
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11. Harry, shut down the Senate!!!
This so-called investigative hearing is going to be a big joke - just another forum for the GOP marionettes to defend their evil moron while portraying Democrats as partisan and unpatriotic.

SHUT IT DOWN! There is nothing worth enacting in the Bush legislative agenda, anyway.

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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:49 PM
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20. "nothing worth enacting"...
And MUCH that is worth NOT enacting.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:40 PM
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12. you crazy fools! Roberts is right! See?


whatever you do, DON'T think! always respond emotionally
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:41 PM
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13. Pat, let us explain...
We don't trust Bush. We have no reason to trust Bush. We are certain that, like Nixon, Bush is using surveilance tools available to him to spy on Americans. It doesn't matter what the program was designed to do.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:42 PM
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15. EVERY single time they've attacked the Dr, the Dr turned out to
be right! So let them all pundificate over the weekend about what a whack job the good Dr is, how he spoke irresponsibly, aid and comfort, blah blah blah.

And then Monday or Tuesday whenever the dust settles down - Dean'll toss another grenade in someone's lap that shows exactly how he was right.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:49 PM
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18. Pat "Stonewall" Roberts is a liar and tool of the Bush Administration EOM
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:49 PM
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19. sorry Pat he still broke the law
those presidents he mentions did what they did prior to the 1978 FISA ruling. What a waste of air.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:50 PM
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21. Is this the "Roberts" from the previous thread?
This one's a partisan intel hack. No need to worry about what this one says.

:rofl:
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:54 PM
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22. One more little hitch, Patty:
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:56 PM
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23. Anyone mind if I quote The Rude Pundit here?
"Howard Dean will fuck your shit up". --The Rude Pundit, 2004

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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 04:37 PM
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27. I used that as my sig line for quite a while..........
I got a few complaints, believe it or not, here at DU. Oh well, I still believe it, Howard WILL fuck your shit up! Thanks for the reminder! ;)
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 04:04 PM
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24. What a fucking idiot....I mean seriously...what a TOOL...!!!
:rofl:
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 04:10 PM
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25. Rock on Howard! EOM
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 04:11 PM
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26. How many Pat Roberts are there out there?
seems like there are 2 or 3 people that come to mind with the same name. All of them freaks!
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 04:40 PM
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28. Where's the Phase II report, Pat? It was too late already once
before. Where's the report, Pat?
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