Hillary's in.

[WilliamPitt]

Clinton launches presidential bid
Democratic senator discloses plans on her Web site, officials say

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16720167/

[lostnotforgotten]

1. Do Not Support War Mongers - Hillary Supported The War

eom

[dogday]

3. Supported or Supports?

She still is supporting the war and as long as she does that, I cannot in all honestly vote for her, no matter if she is the last candidate standing....

[lostnotforgotten]

6. Another Voice Of Sanity

eom

[Midlodemocrat]

48. I am very disappointed in her for just that reason.

I had high hopes for her when she won the senate, but this bothers me.

[derby378]

4. I gotta admit...

I know Hillary has worked her butt of on health care reform in the 90s, but her acquiesence to El Diablo's whims and demands has probably doomed her campaign from the beginning.

Our party needs to move forward, not "forward into the past."

[globalvillage]

2. I see. She's running a continuous loop campaign ad on MSNBC.

Oh, that's the 'news'.

Nevermind.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

5. those hand gestures on MSNBC were so annoying. She needs a new coach.

whoever is giving her speech lessons is a moron.

Better yet, she should watch just how naturally her hubbie manages to control, entice and educate a crowd, as thugh he is being personally involved with each one of them. Not everyone can do that in the beginning, some need a lot of practice, and some can never learn it. But she looks and acts like a robot with bad programming.

I am sorry to say, that part of the race involves PR and selling your ideas and your candidacy. Her current approach will turn people off. Too artificial, too planned, too much "It is now time to raise your right hand. Now both hands right at tit level, NO palms up, not down. Now, slowly lower them and nod slowly."

[mod mom]

10. Coaches won't help. She is too devisive. She's hated by the Republicans, as well

as progressive left leaning dems, so despite the big money she can raise from her corporate friends, I don't think she's viable.

[iamjoy]

30. Yeah, What's Funny Is

When my husband and I were on vacation last month, the hotel lobby had some news show on, I don't even remember who it was or which station, but they were talking about Hillary running.

And this so called expert was talking about Hillary's appeal to the most extreme left elements of the Democratic party. I was like, "what the f*%# is this guy talking about? The left elements don't like Hillary." It's the more conservative business types who do. Sadly, her "star power" and name recognition may prevent us from having a real primary. Although I hope not, I hope the activists volunteer efforts help the best candidate win.

Anyway, my husband and I also don't like the way she speaks. She seems very wooden, not genuine. we think Al Gore is a better speaker. Let her be a Senator, she does a good job at it.

if you want a woman president, take a look at Kansan Kathleen Selebius. I don't know much about her other than:
* She's won in an unabashedly red state without being a DINO. The same people who elected Sam Throwback, Uh, Brownback - elected her
* She's been named one of the nation's top governors by TIME magazine
* She's handsome. Looks shouldn't matter, but they do. Her looks won't be an issue because she isn't cute and she isn't ugly. Furthermore, just looking at her, she inspires confidence.

[mod mom]

39. I'll have to keep my eye on Kathryn Selebius. Thanks.

[Poiuyt]

43. It's Sebelius, not Selebius

[ChairmanAgnostic]

40. So much truth in this post.

There is no question that she has brains, organizational talent and lots of drive.

What the Hell wrong is there with being the Majority Senate leader for life? She would have power, control and the respect of millions for a decade. If she runs for president, there is a good chance that she won't get the nomination. There is an even better chance that she won't be elected even if she wins the primaries. Why deal with four years of crap and attacks, assuming that that very small chance comes through, knowing that as many people dislike her and mistrust her as those willing to give her a chance?

silly, shortsighted.

As Senate Majority leader, she'd be golden.

[Clark2008]

42. What's even worse - and maybe she can't help it - is her voice.

It's too flat. Her vowels sound like she has a tongue depresser in her mouth.

Sorry - that's superfiscal and I know it, but it annoys me. LOL.

[NC_Nurse]

7. Here we go!

Primary wars! :popcorn:

[racaulk]

13. Yep!

The more people that announce their Dem candidacy, the uglier it will get around here.

Pass the butter. :popcorn:

[racaulk]

14. dupe

n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

45. We're gonna need a bigger popcorn popper!

[maine_raptor]

50. Here ya go!

I figure between the upcoming "Hillaryfest" and all the investigations, hearings, etc, in the future, not only will said popcorn maker have to be big, it'll also have to have wheels.

A couple of tank trucks of melted butter, and we're good to go.

[madokie]

8. I will vote for hillary if she is the last dem standing

hopefully she won't be that person.

[derby378]

23. That sounds like my scenario, too

I supported John Kerry in 2004, even though his campaign was lackluster. I would much rather see a different frontrunner, but if Hillary Clinton gets the nomination, then she gets my vote. Not the Green candidate, not the Libertarian candidate, and definitely not the Republican candidate. Hillary. But once again, only if she's the last one standing.

[madokie]

37. and I used to state here emphatically that I would like to see her make the Ascension to the WH

I want Gore and whoever he wants, period. I am a Democrat and will vote Democratic though

[liberal N proud]

9. That should keep the media whores focused for the next 20 months.

What would they have done if she had not run?

[Wise Doubter]

19. We`d see a lot of commercials.

:popcorn:

[derby378]

11. Cindy Sheehan: "You say it or you're losing your job"

A blast from the past (September 19, 2005):

War protester Cindy Sheehan came to New York last night with a blunt warning for Senator Clinton: End your support for the war in Iraq or else.

Visiting New York City for the first time since leaving her campsite outside President Bush's vacation ranch in Crawford, Texas, Ms. Sheehan told a packed audience in a Brooklyn church that Mrs. Clinton "knows the war is a lie" but because of her political ambitions refuses to voice any opposition.

Mrs. Clinton is "waiting for the best political moment to say" she opposes the war, Ms. Sheehan said during a 15-minute speech. "You say it or you're losing your job," she said, provoking a roar of approval from the audience. Mrs. Clinton, believed to be a possible presidential contender in 2008, has said she supports the war in Iraq and has pushed for a greater troop presence in the country.

http://www.nysun.com/article/20195

[flashlighter]

12. I won't vote for anyone who voted "yes" on the IWR.

I held my breath and voted for Kerry, and look what it got me.

No Hillary.

[rocktivity]

15. Democratic senator discloses plans on her Web site, OFFICIALS SAY???

Well, either the plans ARE on her Web site or they aren't. Someone at MSNBC couldn't actually go to her web site and LOOK? They had to clear it with some official first? And why isn't this official mentioned in the actual story? Bad headline writer--BAD!

:spank:
rocknation

[sellitman]

16. She would only be

My last resort. She will never get my primary support but G-D forbid she wins I will do what I did with Kerry.

Hold my nose and pull her lever.

Lets hope it never comes to that.

[Wise Doubter]

17. With all due respect... Fuc|< Hillary. I wanna see Pelosi as the first woman Pres ---

By way of IMPEACHMENT.

Get this pinhead, pencil dick, over zealous, spoiled brat out of my country !

NOW

[rman]

18. Great - no more computer games, no more flag burning

Soon all our problems will be solved.

[derby378]

20. GRAND THEFT AUTO: WASHINGTON DC

Where CJ, Tommy Vercetti, Tony Cipriani, and the Man With No Name from GTA3 all engage in gun battles in front of the Watergate Hotel and the American Institute of Homeopathy monument with Haitians, biker gangs, Yakuza mobsters, and the Project for a New American Century.

Where can I sign up to pre-order an advance copy? :rofl:

[lligrd]

21. I No Longer Trust Her

In fact I truly believe she helped defeat Dean and did no favors for Gore. Sorry Hillary, I was once a believer but being a woman is not enough.

[asjr]

22. Is anyone really surprised? She has as

much right as anyone else to run for the presidency. We have many good people out there wanting to run. I have made no decision on whom to back. As far as voting for the Iraq invasion she probably believed what she was told about the WMD. She had an interview with John Roberts of CNN recently where he asked her about why she has not stated she regretted her vote. Her reply made me realize she is a heck of a lot smarter than she is given credit for. She said there are no do-overs. Once the vote has been taken, I think she meant, would anyone believe her if she said she regretted it. Of course she does regret it but just saying that will not change it. I have an open mind and will keep it that way until I hear from all would-be candidates.

[MoonRiver]

24. Yes, I saw that comment she made to John Roberts,

It was said quietly and sincerely. She made a very good presentation of her former position on Iraq, and didn't look like a desperate flip floper as Kerry's did.

She's not my first choice, but two things about her winning would thrill me.
She would be the first woman president, and Bill Clinton would be back in the WH.

I also think that once elected, she would be a great president. Others, among those who have actually announced they're running, like Obama and Edwards, would also, but if she wins the nomination I'll be solidly behind her.

[asjr]

26. Yes, there are many good ones

from which to choose. I will back the nominee. I never want to see another Republican set foot in my house.

[The River]

25. I Will Not Vote

for Hillary under any circumstance.

[durrrty libby]

27. She will be a brilliant president. Woohoo go Senator Clinton

[Libby2]

29. What a shame

So if she gets the nomination, you're going to vote repuke?

[The River]

36. I've Voted Dem since '68

and will never vote for a "repuke".
I will also never vote for a DLC backed corporate candidate
or another dynastic "name". She is too polarizing
and carries too much baggage.

I've been cruising a lot of other boards this morning
and have seen a lot of self proclaimed FDR and JFK Dems
who are saying the same thing.

I'll continue to work for and contribute to Dems in general
but will never support her. In fact, I'll work against her
to the best of my abilities/finances.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

51. That's a shame..

Hopefully you vote Romney or Guiliani then, as they're clearly more acceptable candidates..

[Trajan]

28. I will be voting for the Democratic Party Nominee .....

End of story ...

[flashlighter]

32. I won't. I live in MA, so it doesn't matter,

and I'm not voting for the "lesser of" ever again. I'll write in Tom Brady before I vote for Hillary.

[Nickster]

31. Oh boy, Can't wait for the "liberal" media to start bringing up all those wonderful attacks from the

good ole days. Can't wait to get the re-hash of travel-gate, whitewater, etc, etc. Geez, this should be fun.:sarcasm:

[maine_raptor]

54. Already started...........MSNBC as a matter of fact,

That dizzy Blondie repug doing the "political" seg this am asked one of her guests; "Will Monica Lewinsky be a factor?"

I kid you not! Heard it with my own ears. Jeesh :eyes:

[Nickster]

64. I'm not shocked at all. Pretty fricking predictable. Heck that was the 'liberal' media's hayday

when they could endlessly trash a President. They'd shit their britches if they tried even an ounce of what they did on the Clintons with the BFEE.

[Jim Warren]

33. Hillary Thread # 42

Oh, it will be interesting

[fishnfla]

34. And the GOP fundraisers now have a reason to live.

They are gonna attack the twin towers: Hillary and Pelosi.

[Joanne98]

35. NAFTA GATT WTO deregulation of energy, banking and telecom..

expanding FBI powers globally, 50 new death penalty offenses, welfare reform and most of all CATHERINE AUSTIN FITTS!

Just my short list! :)

[mnhtnbb]

38. That does it. I'll start making regular contributions to Edwards

Hillary is too beholden to corporate America. She still hasn't figured out Iraq was a disaster. She's contemptuous of women who have traded careers for the tough job of raising kids and contributing to their communties. She completely f*cked healthcare reform under Bill.
And on top of it all, she's way too divisive--not only among Dems, but Repubs who can't stand her.

I want a Dem winner for 08 and it ain't gonna' be Hillary.

[Clark2008]

57. And Edwards isn't beholden?

I'd do some more research on him if I were you.

Start with Googling Edwards and Iraq War Support and then follow that with Edwards and Bilderberg.

Edwards is worse than Hillary, imo, because he tries to pretend he's NOT beholden to these people and tries sucking up to the Labor Unions. Ask some of his former constituents about how little he cared about them when he was senator.

I like Obama OK, but, I think Dems would do themselves a world of good if they started paying attention to the people the corporate media DOESN'T slam down our throats, like Kucinich, Clark, heck, even Gore (who only gets token mentions in the corporate media).

Everytime we go with who the media likes, we lose (or get it stolen because it's entirely too close). That should tell us something.

[mnhtnbb]

58. I am an Edwards constituent. I live in Chapel Hill.

He's about as anti-corporate as you can get. Plaintiffs lawyer, y'know?
Union sympathetic (anti-management, y'know)?

I am an Edwards convert, having been a HUGE Deaniac since early '03.
It's taken a lot to convert me to an Edwards position. I honestly believe he can carry some southern states--unlike Hillary or Obama.


I'd rather have Clark as Sec'y of Defense.

[La Coliniere]

41. Hillary weighs all statements,

political decisions and strategy based on what's in it for her, not what's best for the people she represents. A master of spin and cunning calculation, this once President of the Young Republicans at Wellesley College (http://usliberals.about.com/od/liberalpersonalprofiles/p/HillaryClinton.htm) WILL get my vote if she remains the last person standing after the primaries. I'm hoping beyond hope that a more progressive candidate takes her down and I won't have to plug my nose or wretch into a barf bag after I cast my vote. God I'm sick and tired of voting for "the lesser of two evils".

[crispini]

47. Me too.

On all counts.

[Tatiana]

44. Good for her. Let's see what the people have to say come primary time.

Shockingly, I think Obama seems to have the edge right now.

[alarimer]

49. I would prefer Obama over Hillary

But I would prefer Edwards (so far) most of all. Because he has turned out or at least is sounding a lot more progressive than Hillary, that's for sure.

[Grandrose]

46. Go Hillary!

As a Yellow Dog Democrat, I say the more the merrier.
This is what the Democratic Party is all about, diversity and
the big tent.


Compared to what the Republicans will be offering!:scared:

[Puglover]

52. If she is the Dem nominee

I will support her. She is hardly my first choice.

[Puglover]

53. If she is the Dem nominee

I will support her. She is hardly my first choice.

[Generator]

55. The New '08 motto: ABH

Yeah, COME ON, Any one of them is more electable, Clark, Obama, Edwards, Kerry, Biden AND SHE is the most pro-war of any of them. What more common sense do we need? Vote for someone that can actually take the White House and might actually end the war. Talk about no brainer. I wish the primary were tomorrow! I want to see her stomped.

Also Thanks Hillary SO MUCH, I can't want to hear about the issues. Ha ha. Two straight years of more of Bill Clinton's sex life (yeah that's not her fault I know) oh goody! She had a chance to be a GOOD senator for decades and instead she insists on more power. I wish she was the right woman at the right time. I so want a woman president. But I think she is the opposite for so many reasons. And the woman that gets the White House really should NOT have been married to a former president. It needs to come entirely from her own steam. She has that in the senate. But is it enough? HELL NO. ABH.

[mnhtnbb]

59. Ding Ding Ding! That's a winner

[LibDemAlways]

56. Probably the only thing I have in common with

the majority of repukes: I can't stand her. I see no way she could cobble together an electoral victory.

Please Al, run.

[proud patriot]

60. Great Video

I say that as someone still a bit cool to Hillary .

[nam78_two]

61. Was Chris Mathews high?

(Regarding that video)
Why was he going on and on about Hillary "putting basic women's rights with supporting the troops"...? And Mitt Romney has the "right hair to be president"?

That whole video was bizarre-not the least of it the actual statement. It had the feel of one of those cheap commercials for life insurance or something...
"Hi lets talk" (fake plastic smile), "We care about you" (fake plastic smile).

There is a specific low-rent commercial they play over and over here in TN, that it reminds me of.
Very strange. :shrug:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

62. Let's hope she's "in" for a brief visit and leaves early.

And, that a progressive Democrat stays around for a long and beneficial sojourn.

[Emit]

63. I think it's seriously time to revisist Mo Rocca on the Bush-Clinton Dynasty

http://www.greatertalent.com/video_library.php?id=623


On Hillary running in '08 and Jeb running in '12 or '16:


"Now picture this: 4 years of Bush followed by 8 years of Clinton followed by 8 years of Bush followed by 8 years of Clinton followed by 8 years of Bush..."

"There's a pattern here..."

"...Aren't you the least bit bothered by... this oligarchical double helix..."

"It's time to widen the gene pool of candidates..."

"In my dreams, and by dreams I mean nightmares ... Chelsea is elected in 2024 ... setting the stage for George P. Bush in 2032 ... Chelsea marries George P. Bush ... and in glorious revolution a house of Republocrats rules indefinitely..."

:rofl:

But, seriously,

:wow:

:scared:

:wow:

[EFerrari]

65. Please do not nominate Hillary.

Please.