Another HUGE scandal awaiting Bush/Cheney, this could

[happydreams]

really hurt them.

Here is a topic on ex-EPA head Christie Todd Whitman falsely claiming that the air at Ground Zero after 9/11 was safe to breath:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x308902



This topic was brought up some time ago about how Halliburton subsidiary WR Grace had installed asbestos materials in the WTC buildings. DU had lengthy discussions on this. Whitman quit her post probably because she felt the "Price of Loyalty" was too high.

This scandal has the potential to expode in the Bush Adminstations face while he is under the gun for so many other scandals. Let's take the fight to the bastards!

This is a call for all who know about WR Grace etc. to post what you know up here and get this information to the relevant authorities. It is obvious that Whitman was muscled to sugar coat the air quality reports because of the potential for lawsuits against Halliburton. Sen. Paul Wellstone's mysterious death is also related to his fight to improve asbestos safety that Cheney has worked in opposition to.

If Cheney and Bush can be linked to this coverup, a coverup that has harmed untold thousands unneccessarily then their political situation can only get worse.

Unfortunately I have to use a library computer (an hour a day) so I won't be able to keep up with the thread.

[mirandapriestly]

1. It's shocking, but it will get a quick mention then disappear

like everything else.

[andyhappy]

2. so depressing

I can't even keep track of all the crap that these guys have pulled yet they seem to get away with EVERYTHING!!!

all the noise we make on the internet and it just doesn't seem to matter...

[KoKo]

15. They are MONSTER CRIMINALS and NOTHING is Done about them!

They are So Corrupt that all goes down the Memory Hole....nothing will ever come of any of it until the HISTORY is written.

[librechik]

3. the lawsuit will continue (at a snail's pace)

so there's time for you to post later, happydreams!

[Gabi Hayes]

4. been watching lots of cable yesterday and today...how many times

has this been mentioned?

guess

[happydreams]

7. According to some replies on the link I provided it is getting alot

of coverage in New York.

Whitman is vulnerable.

[Me.]

47. It Is

because people here are really ticked about it. It also wasn't reported in the national news that ever since that day there has been a sharp incline of people who have sinus problems, people who never had them before and who were way uptown when it happened.

[wryter2000]

19. Not cable

It did have coverage on the CBS Evening News.

[0rganism]

5. This will get spiked or spun into obscurity by the MSM, like the rest

Actually, this one is particularly easy to ignore and marginalize, since it's about air quality and involves the EPA.

Unless a Democratic majority takes over the House in 2006, this is just one more crime that will fall right down the memory hole.

[druidity33]

25. yes...

but it's also about 9/11!!!

[0rganism]

53. in other words, it plays to the chimperor's strengths

If it's about 9/11, it's also about bush's 90% popularity rating. The GOP loves it when we go there looking for scandals.

[skids]

38. Not necessarily -- here's why.

Whitman has been out in the media lambasting Rovian tactics and calling for moderates to retake the Repug party. Rove may just let her hang out of spite, if he thinks it's worth the damage.

Funny the way things work -- one of the only prominent repukes calling for sanity cannot escape her past culpability. It may be a national lesson in the dangers of conformity for any who might be following the story.

[happydreams]

45. She was also pretty disgusted with the "Price of Loyalty" she

had to pay.

You're dead on about the lesson in conformity. It's a wake up call to all crooks in high places.

[0rganism]

54. I doubt her lateblooming integrity will have any impact whatsoever

"for any who might be following the story" is the trick.

There must be literally dozens of them.

[napi21]

6. Well, Christy formed a new group something like

"It's my country too". I saw her on some tv show withing the last 2 days. I think it was the Colbert Show. She's NOT a Shrub lover by any means!

It's people like her that bring the big boys down! There's loyalty while they're working for them, but when the temperature gets HOT, and it's a you or me case...it's rarely ME!

[happydreams]

9. Exactly! She is now liable and could really spill the beans.

[bear425]

23. Except that she said on Colbert that she campaigned for

Shrub's reelection. I believe she is a moderate Repub, but I can't get over the fact that she went out of her way to get him back in.

[dchill]

36. She thought that...

if he got back in, then this would at least be buried for "four more years". Hopefully, whoops!

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

8. I'm worried about this

a friend of mine was at Ground Zero on Sept. 12, volunteering and helping out. Not sure how long he was there, but he was there. Now I'm worried for his health!

[mirandapriestly]

17. Several have died from causes directly linked

to 9-11. I don't have the link and I don't mean to alarm you, but there was a lot of bad stuff in the air including asbestos, which takes years to do it's damage. Horrible.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

24. My friend lives in Chelsea

and was in town on 911, and felt he needed to get down there and help. He's had some respiratory problems in the past, but appears to be doing better now.

[happydreams]

56. It's called the 9/11 cough. Some firefighters have had it

after being near Ground Zero.


CT scans explain mysterious 9/11 cough
16:20 30 November 2004
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Inhaling toxic dust from the World Trade Center disaster on 11 September 2001 has damaged some rescue workers’ lungs more than years of smoking, US scientists reveal. Using an unconventional chest scan for the circumstances, researchers were able to capture visual signs of the severe respiratory problems that doctors could not otherwise have diagnosed.

Hundreds of people have been tested and treated for respiratory problems - or “World Trade Center cough” - since New York City’s twin towers fell, most of them suffering from asthma-like breathing difficulties. Some people, however, maintained persistent but unidentifiable coughs that could not be picked up using standard chest computed tomography (CT) scans.

“These people had symptoms that just didn’t fit the typical pattern. They weren’t treated at first because there wasn’t any objective evidence of what was wrong,” says lead author David Mendelson at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City, US.

So Mendelson’s team turned to a technique called end-expiratory CT. In a normal chest scan, patients are asked to take a deep breath and hold it. In end-expiratory scans, patients take in a deep breath and release it slowly. In a healthy individual, the entire chest should be seen on the scan as an even grey colour – the CT representation of moving air. .... more




http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6741

[happydreams]

46. (S)he may want to get checked for asbestos contamination.

[Thtwudbeme]

10. I know that a couple of the CEO or owners

of the WC Grace company died in this plane crash:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/20/national/main554860.shtml

[happydreams]

11. Yep, they died a few months after Wellstone.

[Thtwudbeme]

12. Actually, I needed to edit my post...they were employees

That company has a plant in SC---

This plane crash was not suspicious---it was sad as hell.

Here is a link:

Richard Lyons and Joe Spiak flew from Boston to Charlotte to make the flight, and Paul Stidham flew in from Baltimore. They all worked for W.R. Grace, a big chemical company, and were bound for a plant in Enoree, S.C., that mined vermiculite.

Each man woke up before 4 that morning to catch an early flight to Charlotte. It was worth it to them. No one wanted to be away from home long. They were family men, married, with five children between them.

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:Ww-c2q-Pdh4J:www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/special_packages/planes/7434165.htm+Airways+Express+Flight+5481+WR+Grace&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

[Oilwellian]

34. They weren't just any ole' employees

Richard Lyons was Global Health & Safety manager for WR Grace.

Paul Stidham was Director of Environment Health & Safety for WR Grace.

On Edit: Forgot link...

http://www.grace.com/news/pressreleases/2806.pdf

[Thtwudbeme]

35. no, but that crash wasn't suspicious either....I am from Charlotte

and had a customer who might have been on that flight...(turns out he wasn't)

It was just sad--and the pilots were so young--

[happydreams]

43. Just the people that would have been questioned by

investigators into what products were in the WTC and how unsafe they were!

[Nightjock]

13. The lie about the air at ground zero

has been around for a while. Nothing seems to stick to these criminals because the "liberal" media is obssesed with runaway brides, grooms falling off ships and someone who lied to Oprah.

How about the lies the pResident has told?! Stupid motherf*****s!

[rodeodance]

14. I do not think I have heard it on the cable news.

[lovuian]

16. We don't know how many people are going to be affected by

the flying asbestos and dust... Will be very interesting and hopefully not many people would die from this... I don't think republicans have a clue...

[Kablooie]

18. There is no possible scandal in existence that can dent the monsters.

If Cheney and Bush were found to have plotted the whole 9/11 thing themselves the only result would be people complaining about how shocked they were an then the government, legal system and media would forget about it.

They have tentacles around so much of constitution, laws and media of this country that no one is strong enough to wrench it from their grasp.

Sorry.

[lynch03]

20. every scandal was suppose to be big

sigh..this truly is the teflon presidency.

[deutsey]

21. Sorry, but until we have a more independent news media

there will be no "huge" scandals for the Bush administration.

[Tigress DEM]

22. Monsters. One more nail for the IMPEACHMENT coffin....

better make it two nails.

You guys comfy in there together.

[Catfight]

26. The real crime is that 9/11 happened and could have been prevented. nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

27. The WH told them to cover it up. They did.

They're all guilty of murder by sending all those people home to live in and breath toxic chemicals. I read about htis a LONG time ago. The WH was behind the cover-up. I'll see if I can find the story.

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. Here's the story and a link.

Anger builds over EPA’s 9/11 report

MSNBC | Sept. 11, 2003
By Francesca Lyman

However, a report by the EPA’s Office of the Inspector General released on Aug. 21 states, among other criticisms, that the White House reviewed and even changed EPA statements about public health risks to make them sound less alarming. The report charges that the White House Council on Environmental Quality influenced “the information EPA communicated to the public through its early press releases when it convinced EPA to add reassuring statements and delete cautionary ones.” The report cites “reopening Wall Street” and “national security” as reasons for the spin.

‘We were all lied to’
The EPA presented “an overriding message that there was no significant threat to human health” even though there was cause for caution, it concluded.

“When EPA made a September 18 announcement that the air was ‘safe’ to breathe, it did not have sufficient data and analyses to make such a blanket statement,” said the OIG, adding that the agency was missing data on other pollutants, such as particulates and chemicals like PCBs. In addition, 25 percent of dust samples contained asbestos, a potent carcinogen.

Yes, Horinko admits, the EPA did find asbestos in the dust samples. “But the vast majority of the samples we took did not contain it,” she says.<snip>

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/911%20Cover-up/911_victims_ignored.htm

[dailykoff]

29. There had to be a Halliburton connection.

I hadn't heard about this one before, thanks. It makes all too much sense.

[dailykoff]

30. p.s. funny how those two huge liabilities

happened to become "terrorist" targets and disappear into thin air, isn't it?

[dailykoff]

42. . . . along with the potential plaintiffs.

2,500+ litigious New Yorkers up in smoke. Just a lucky break I guess.

[dysfunctional press]

31. NOTHING is going to hurt them- i'm convinced.

and i always thought that ronnie raygun's administration was the worst. not any more.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

32. Yes, this is another huge scandal. Exactly how many of these are

necessary before action is taken to protect the American people by removing these criminals from office? Could we get some kind of volume discount when the special counsels are finally activated?

[journalist3072]

33. This is really very old news, which sadly was underreported by our news

media. It's only surfacing again because the judge refused to grant Christie Todd Whitman immunity from the lawsuit being filed by some NY residents and students.

I posted this here on D.U. yesterday, but I think it bears re-posting in this thread. Basically, the White House edited the EPA's report on the air quality in and around Ground Zero after 9/11. They basically convinced the EPA to delete the cautionary statements in the report, and add more re-assuring statements that there was no data or evidence to support!!!!

White House edited EPA's 9/11 reports

By JOHN HEILPRIN
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON -- At the White House's direction, the Environmental Protection Agency gave New Yorkers misleading assurances that there was no health risk from the debris-laden air after the World Trade Center collapse, according to an internal inquiry.

President Bush's senior environmental adviser yesterday defended the White House involvement, saying it was justified by national security.

The White House "convinced EPA to add reassuring statements and delete cautionary ones" by having the National Security Council control EPA communications after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, according to a report issued late Thursday by EPA Inspector General Nikki Tinsley.

"When EPA made a Sept. 18 announcement that the air was 'safe' to breathe, the agency did not have sufficient data and analyses to make the statement," the report says, adding that the EPA had yet to adequately monitor air quality for contaminants such as PCBs, soot and dioxin.

In all, the EPA issued five news releases within 10 days of the attacks and four more by the end of 2001 reassuring the public about air quality. But it wasn't until June 2002 that the EPA determined that air quality had returned to pre-Sept. 11 levels -- well after respiratory ailments and other problems began to surface in hundreds of workers cleaning dusty offices and apartments.

The day after the attacks, former EPA Deputy Administrator Linda Fisher's chief of staff e-mailed senior EPA officials to say that "all statements to the media should be cleared" first by the National Security Council, which is Bush's main forum for discussing national security and foreign policy matters with his senior aides and Cabinet, the inspector general's report says.

Approval from the NSC, the report says, was arranged through the White House Council on Environmental Quality, which "influenced, through the collaboration process, the information that EPA communicated to the public through its early press releases when it convinced EPA to add reassuring statements and delete cautionary ones."

For example, the inspector general found, the EPA was persuaded to omit guidance for cleaning indoor spaces and tips on potential health effects from airborne dust containing asbestos, lead, glass fibers and concrete.

James Connaughton, chairman of the environmental council, which coordinates federal environmental efforts, said the White House directed the EPA to add and delete information based on how it should be released publicly.

He said the EPA did "an incredible job" with the World Trade Center cleanup.

Andy Darrell, New York regional director of Environmental Defense, an advocacy group, said the report is indicative of a pattern of White House interference in EPA affairs.

"For EPA to do its job well, it needs to be allowed to make decisions based on the science and the facts," he said.

The EPA inspector general recommended the EPA adopt new procedures so its public statements on health risks and environmental quality are backed by data and analysis.

Other recommendations include developing better procedures for indoor air cleanups and asbestos handling in large-scale disasters.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/136350_epa23.html

[seemslikeadream]

37. Plane Crashes, WR Grace, Deadly Asbestos, WTC Collapse & Wellstone

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=5471&forum=DCForumID43&archive=yes

Wellstone assassination technology revealed
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3199413


The Paul Wellstone crash was.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=561809

[seemslikeadream]

41. W.R. Grace and seven employees indicted over asbestos-contaminated mine

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1219912

100s who suffer from working on WTC cleanup join class-action lawsuit
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=855113

9/11 pollution 'could cause more deaths than attack' (UK paper, of course
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=820817

More than 100 families win $30 million settlement in asbestos case
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1210891

Long prison sentences for asbestos fraud
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1097234

Bush Takes Aim at Asbestos Lawsuits
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1129885

[happydreams]

44. Thanks a million for this SLAD.

These stories do have a way of resurfacing as new events occur.

[Karenina]

50. C.O.N.N.E.C.T. the ...s kids...

:SIGH:

[stickdog]

39. In a SANE world, (you know, before 9/11 changed "EVERYTHING")

Bush & Cheney would have already been impeached for their badministration's indefensible, unconscionable and proven murders of scores and potentially thousands of Manhattan residents and workers!

[dailykoff]

40. Before we became the United Slaves of Halliburton?

But think of all those terrorists who hate our freedoms! :sarcasm:

[happydreams]

48. Somebody bought put options on WR Grace prior to 9/11!!!!

Somebody had a hunch that WR Grace was going to take a price dive after 9/11!!



Still Silence From 9-11 Stock Speculation Probe
Dave Eberhart, NewsMax
Monday, June 3, 2002
Within a month of 9-11, the SEC, acting in concert with the Department of Justice, distributed a target list of 38 stocks to securities firms around the world looking for information about who might have profited by at least apparent pre-knowledge of the aerial attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. To date there has not been a public word from any agency as to whether they have snagged anyone.
According to market analysts, the investment of choice by someone with pre-knowledge of the catastrophe would be a type of market speculation involving so-called "put” options. Simplified, a put is a bet that a particular stock will go down.

The two most obvious stocks for such speculation by anyone with "insider” dope on the attacks are American and United airlines, the two hapless carriers that had planes hijacked and used as aerial bombs.

Both carriers are on the SEC list, which includes among others: Continental, Northwest, Southwest, USAirways, Lockheed Martin, John Hancock, MetLife, General Motors, Raytheon, W.R. Grace, Lone Star Technologies, American Express, the Bank of New York, Bank One, Citigroup, Lehman Brothers, Bank of America, and Morgan Stanley.

Those in the industry are speculating themselves – and the best bet so far is that the official silence by the investigating agencies is owing to a lack of much to report.

As FBI Director Robert Mueller has conceded, precious little -- if any -- paper trail concerning the hijackers themselves has been detected after eight months of investigation. It would be surprising, therefore, that an alternate paper trail of illicit profits in the market would be any less elusive.




http://www.prisonplanet.com/still_silence_from_911_stock_speculation_probe.htm

[Joanne98]

49. The ground zero worker's families should protest Bush!

If they don't this story will stay buried. How come they're not getting out there?

[ComerPerro]

51. How many times have I heard that before...

[mvd]

52. It is mind boggling what they have gotten away with

all in the name of "fighting terra." The media, of course, won't do their job and deliver Bush the knockout. And the Democrats have been too afraid.

[stickdog]

55. Kick. (nt)

[Obamarama]

57. ROFLMAO..you still beleive there's something that "can bring them down?"

Yeah, right. I stopped beleiving that one 4 or 5 scandals and two stolen elecetions ago.

[happydreams]

58. It's cumulative. The more the public hears the worse Bush's

political situation gets. Plamegate is not over by a long shot and could result in the Bush fascists being brought to trial. This scandal could go the same way.

[abex]

59. life sure is cheap under these bastards