Tired of lousy faux-democratic Public Policy? Try Citizen Panels!

[JanMichael]

Seriously. There are alternatives to bullshit money media blurred polls, elections, and zero influence advisory committees.

Think of a stratified randomly selected citizen panel which uses transparent deliberation technique to come to a policy decision. Like what's explained here. Can you dig it?

Or even something called Deliberative Polling. How about that? INFORMED opinions about public policies! Holy shit what will they think of next?

Look, polls are so easily manipulated by short sound-bites, they look like the will of the Public but honestly it's pretty limited.

Same with most policy it's heavily influence by special interests.

Take a look at an article about the changes in attitudes from a deliberative polling exercise. Oh my, real results!

What do you think?

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. Thanks, I'll have a look-see later on.

[JanMichael]

3. It's a precursor to Demarchy which is an institutionalisation of these...

...principles.

Thanks for looking at it, if you have any questions or want more detailed info PM me. I'm looking at pushing this through my job and I know a person who is implementing something very similar right now on a county-wide basis.

I should have posted this in GD-Politics though as it seems it may be too much for GD to stomach...

[Thtwudbeme]

2. Kick

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[JanMichael]

4. Holy shit! Is this too complicated for DU?

Fuck! Look you all bitch about how the Plutocrats run everything, which they do, so here's a hyper-democratic way to fuck them and zero input from the so called Progressives!

It's a way to make the People lead Government and not the other way around.

Plus it's proven to, I hate to say this, go OUR way!

Come on people empower the PEOPLE!

It's not THAT complicated.


Do I have to post lyrics now?

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

5. ROFL

:rofl:

[JanMichael]

7. It's frusterating.

Seriously. Operation Mindcrime is ubiquituous even on DU.

The mass mind fuck is damned near complete. People want influence and there's a way to do it that even CONservatives would have trouble arguing against. It's uber-democratic. What can they say? That the People are too stupid? I hope they do:-)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

9. You Literally Made Me Laugh Before.

I considered it one of the best mini rants I've ever seen on here :)

As far as polling goes, it is so evident what you are referring to about being uninformed. There are so many polls I see constantly where the support from one question completely contradicts the support of an earlier question. It has become laughable for me to read some of them. The funniest ones to me are the ones that have like 60% support for a question, but then a few questions later when almost the exact same question is asked but maybe with a few different words, the 60% support flips to the contradictory choice to the earlier one LOL

[JanMichael]

10. Thanks...If I could type faster that 15 words a minute it woulda been

much longer!

The all hat and no cattle mentality here drives me bonkers sometimes. Of course a 6-pack doesn't help. I don't mean abs either!

[sandnsea]

12. Write for Radio

I read your post and have NO idea what you're talking about. Get people's attention with a ten second radio spot, write it down and watch people come alive. I gotta' go out, will check when I get back in. :)

[JanMichael]

13. Is the idea of Deliberative Polling, or Citizen Panels, that obscure?

I tried to keep the post as basic as I could. Links and all.

Please give them a look. The concepts are as "democratic" as anything we've tried so far in this country, at least in the terms of informed deliberation and decision making.

From the last link:

"The New Haven Regional Dialogue, a Deliberative Poll conducted at Yale on March 1-3, showed dramatic changes of opinion on the issue of local revenue sharing. A randomly-selected and representative sample of residents of the 15 towns in the New Haven region spent the weekend considering various aspects of regional policy, listening to each other's views and perspectives, and questioning experts, advocates, and decision-makers. When this cross-section of the region's residents completed their discussions, they supported voluntary revenue sharing among towns and state provision of incentives to encourage sharing of new revenues from commercial development."

"When first interviewed, 80 percent of participants said they agreed with the statement: "My town should maintain local control over all of its tax revenues from new businesses and industries." After deliberation, support for the proposition fell to 42 percent."

"By contrast, voluntary agreements for sharing of incremental revenue showed a dramatic increase in support. Before deliberation, 64 percent agreed that "my town should try for a voluntary agreement with other towns in the region to share some tax revenues from new businesses and industries." After deliberation, support rose to 81 percent. Support also increased from 68 to 80 percent for the state's providing "incentives for towns in the region to share some tax revenues for new businesses and industry." "

EDIT: Oh but I DID sorta write for radio when I co-hosted the Guy James Show!

[sandnsea]

14. A New Kind of Jury Duty?

"There's a new kind of jury duty popping up across the country, with local citizens are chosen at random to listen to issues facing their own communities."

And on from there. Write for Radio.

It's a great idea. We desperately need something like this for child protective services, a 3-7 parent review panel because the social workers obviously can't tell the difference between routine less than perfect parenting and dangerous parenting. Parents know and could keep up on the less than perfect who just need counseling; giving social workers the time to stay on top of the dangerous situations.

[leeroysphitz]

6. "polls are so easily manipulated "

Yeah, 14 percent of all people know that.

[JanMichael]

8. Bingo.

Not just on the personal opinion polls that we post here so often but on real policy issues that effect all of us.

The deliberative method with random citizens is the key!

[JanMichael]

11. Last kick on this one.

It's a complicated idea, I now that, but we mucst start thinking more creatively if we wish to make this country a better place for the People.