Were is our allied US when Syria is burning our embassy

[esbelt]

We have tropes in Iraq, on the behave of the "free" world of US.
were is US now, when we in Denmark is facing direct conflict with the same part as US is having trouble?

pre-story is :

Here in Denmark a writer had published a new book on the religion Islam, He failed to find any cartoonists to make
any pictures in his book, simply out of fear!
then the newspaper Jylland-posten took up the story of Salmon Rushdie etc. and asked the question if simple cartoon pictures would be censured out of fear in DK.
so they asked some professional cartoonists to make a picture and printed them out of respect of our free speech.
The paper have now made several apologizes and they have published that in fact we do not have free speech in DK
simply because they regret it and would never had don it if they had calculated the effect!

It is not the "art" or the outlook of the pictures that is the issue in DK, more than the fact that we do not have free speech when it comes to fear and religion!
And it is not just a "stupid" news-paper who is making some "stupid" pictures, without a international, and for the press, "hot" subject.

Now we are more or less in war with Syria.

[Leopolds Ghost]

1. I agree with the intent, but not the execution (-->the actual cartoons)

The actual cartoons themselves are offensive. While the reaction is disturbing, what did they expect? Of course it is the pot calling the kettle black with respect to anti-semitic cartoons in Arab newspapers, but they consider themselves at virtual war with Israel already -- and the newspapers, just like this Danish paper, are forcing offensive cartoons down people's throat. If it were just depictions of Mohammed, it would be a religious dispute, but some of the cartoons are downright insensitive. If it were the US this whole "free speech" smokescreen would be a non-issue because papers would not publish them because they didn't believe in being that offensive in the firs t place, even tho we were attacked on 9-11. In Denmark it is purely an anti-immigrant issue, and the speech Jyllands-Posten was so "afraid to publish" is simply a message of contempt for them Muslim immigrants. Danes want Muslims to "obey by their rules of free speech or leave". That's not how free speech operates. If you want 1st Amendment rights, sign a hard-core 1st Amendment (not in the EU constitution) or move to America. I myself would love to live in Europe, but that's because I don't need anyone to tell me what my God-given, inalienable rights are. If the papers are "afraid" to print them then that is not a free speech issue, and it's not reality either -- they were all too happy to print and re-print them, but were disturbed by the reaction. And Danes want folks on DU to THANK them for being part of the Coalition of the Willing? DUers would be more willing to take Dane's side on this if they weren't ALREADY at war with a Muslim country. At least we have an excuse (nation hijacked by an illegitimate president.) Anti-immigrant fervor is why the right is in power in Denmark.

[esbelt]

4. keep in mind

The fact is that Denmark is the oldest democracy in the world (more than 150 years)
we are number one in the world when it comes to aid to the "third world" (based on BNP)
we are the strongest supporter in Europe for a independent Palestine state.
We are having true free religion for all people here.

But we also have a strong believe in free speech, so everything that is said about the
felling about the pictures, comes down to one fact.... it is the right of the paper here!

you may dislike or even get angry of the pictures, then you can write to the paper or make a
comment in any published media, and use your right of speech, to criticize it, but in DK
you have this rights and we will fight for this.

we are in fact in DK not in hands of a "hijacked by an illegitimate president" but a real democracy, so we have
in fact "true free speech" in movies, theater, comedies etc, also news-papers !!

[neweurope]

9. You have also had problems with the EU because of your stance

concerning immigrants. And I happen to know that, thankfully, a lot of Danes do not think the way you do. Even on this forum :)

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[iamthebandfanman]

15. thats just how it goes

when you are completely free and you can express that through words..
you are always going to offend someone.

i dont think you guys should be blamed for what happened. while i can understand them being upset, this has more than gone overboard in reaction.

Noone was hurt at the embassy were there?

Welcome to the wonderful world of the double edged sword of freedom!
lol

[neweurope]

8. Hear, hear!

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[peacebird]

2. how much oil does Denmark have?

Got oil - bush will be there. (not that that actually means any HELP for the citizenry, mind you -just ask the average Iraqi)

What? You thought supporting bush really meant HE would come to your aid in your times of trouble?
:eyes:
Dream on esbelt.... That type action on the part of the US is SO last century.

:sarcasm:

[meganmonkey]

3. Welcome to DU, esbelt

As you probably know, most at DU do not support our government's foreign policy.

I agree with the free speech side of the cartoon issue.

I am sure the US will get involved in this if they decide it helps them reach reach their greedy, oily goals. :(

Peace to you!

[jimshoes]

5. Give the administration a few days

to ramp up the rhetoric against Syria. They have a war planned with Iran right now and they will have to switch marketing strategies in mid stream. Not too big an obstacle though, they've wanted to invade Syria for some time now. They have to get the word out to our "main stream media" people. It goes something like this,

UPDATE ALL SECTORS: Re: Next war, NOT IRAN; MUST PROTECT DENMARK FROM EXTREMISTS; Confrontation = Syria: PROBABLE Double plus quick. Signed, Karl

[esbelt]

6. loool

I must admit.. this a god one!

[neweurope]

10. ROFL

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

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[neweurope]

7. You asked the same (...) question in General Discussion:Politics.

For a new member you are really very active, even though you seem to have only one concern - to haggle that distasteful cartoon story.

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[esbelt]

11. you are also active

to notice that fact.

really we are by all means a peace-full nation, with LEGO, B&O and green-fields around us, we have never been in a situation like this since WW2
and we are really SCARED about our lives.

but yes, aim all turned up by this, for my, truly sad story of interference of my way of living...

[neweurope]

14. The Danes are scared of their lives???!

There you have all that LEGO and green fields and you are scared? You have a truly sad story of interference of your way of living? Pray tell, who interferes thusly?

Sorry, esbelt - you aren't the only Dane I know, and I happen to not be ill-informed. Your story doesn't cut with me :)

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[esbelt]

16. If you know other Danes

then say hallo from me,, but it doesn't change my believe nor the fact that I my self are talking with a few Danes on a daily basis my self (since I live here) and my filling right now, is what I described before.

[neweurope]

17. Poor you n/t

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[esbelt]

21. I will survive... thanks...

We will not be finding a joint "ground" I understand.. thats cool... you and I are still living in a free world of expressions, right!

[neweurope]

23. I'm sure you will survive -

Yes, free speech was all this was about, or at least that was your original concern. Let's agree to disagree, then.

on edit: deleted something unnecessarily harsh.

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[Taxloss]

12. Bit harsh of you, isn't that? n/t

[neweurope]

13. Thought about it before I posted, Taxloss...

and, no, don't think so. esbelt and I have been exchanging some words to-day :)

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[Benfea]

18. Bush's response: side with the Muslim extremists, of course!

I don't have a link, but Bush has now publicly condemned the cartoons and declared that they should never have been published. I think Bush is the most anti-democracy, anti-freedom president we've ever had (and we've had some bad ones).

[esbelt]

19. you right

here we think that US is more than McDonald's and the free way of living, but really US is as closed as a dictatorship in the ME.

[Benfea]

29. Please be careful with such generalizations.

What you say is true of all American conservatives, but it is unfair to paint all of us with that same brush.

The American conservative's idea of "ally" is one of subservience. Allies are slave-states in their minds: you do things for us, we don't lift a finger for you, and if you complain about it, then you're ungrateful and anti-American.

[Cascadian]

20. What a wind-up!

I am truly sorry for you Danes. You have a government that marches in lock-step with the Bushites and now this. I worry for your beautiful country and your people. This cartoon is just stirring up the caulderon to a full boil. The whole Islamic world is in rage.

Once again, I am truly sorry you all have to deal with this insanity!








John

[neweurope]

22. I'm sorry for the Danes, too - but esbelt wants the Bushistas

to start an open war with Syria because of a mob attacking their embassy. Sounds lock-step to me:)

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[esbelt]

24. No no my friend

aim saying that we ned some "POSITIVE" words from a fellow part of the world, in this matter, not a condemned from Bush like the one today! NOT WAR !!

[Cascadian]

25. I am sure the Bushites will say something token in word

But I do not think the Bushites will give you very much. You Danes should get rid of that Anders Fogh Rasmussen and those Neocons there. He is very much a part of your problem. When is your next election?

John

[iamthebandfanman]

26. i believe you

i believe you arent looking for war. lol.
you just think that america should condemn their actions against your embassy.
i totally agree.
but as far as more than that...
we arent looking for more fighting. you guys will probably have to settle this one on your own if the UN doesnt help

[neweurope]

27. Your exact words were:

"Were is our allied US when Syria is burning our embassy - We have tropes in Iraq, on the behave of the "free" world of US.
were is US now, when we in Denmark is facing direct conflict with the same part as US is having trouble?
...Now we are more or less in war with Syria"

Doesn't sound like you only wanted "positive words".


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[esbelt]

28. at least

some words could have been put in a more pro-democracy way as the ones from Bush today... I still assume you agree one the starting argument reg. free press etc.

[neweurope]

30. We've been talking about this at length. I agree about free speech

but you don't agree yet that free speech should be handled with consideration and restraint. But even if you don't agree - I have Kofi Annan AND the pope on my side *g*

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[esbelt]

31. you are right

loool... and lets hope he will find a way out of this mess.. but as the famous US comedy actor (don't remember his name) said "sure ain't no Werther for man or Best!" (sorry my spellings)