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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 02:54 PM
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Fitz letter raises a Question: Condi a person of interest?
Edited on Sat Feb-04-06 03:11 PM by leveymg
Fellow DU'er BR_Parkway has incredibly sharp eyes, and has spotted a number of very important issues raised by Patrick Fitzgerald's letter to Libby's lawyer released yesterday.

One of the items in Fitz's letter focuses on the release of information to the press that occurred on or after July 11, 2003 during Bush's trip to Africa. A little digging on my part revealed that Condi Rice had discussed the Plame matter during a press gaggle in Nigeria on that day. That raises the question, does that make Condi a person of interest to the Plamegate prosecution?

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THIS IS BR_Parkway's POST:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=322289&mesg_id=322289
And one more gem from Fitz's letter and this one is a 24K one !

The more we poke these response letters - the more info comes out of hiding.

In Fitzgerald's response to Libby's lawyer's request for discovery:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2006/02/libby013106.pdf

We also advise you that we also understand that reporter John Dickerson of Time magazine discussed the trip by Mr. Wilson with government officials at some time on July 11 or after, subsequent to Mr. Cooper learning about Mr. Wilson's wife. Any conversations involving Mr. Dickerson likely took place in Africa and occured after July 11.


and just who was in Africa?


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

The memo was delivered to Secretary of State Colin L. Powell on July 7, 2003, as he headed to Africa for a trip with President Bush aboard Air Force One. Plame was unmasked in a syndicated column by Robert D. Novak seven days later.

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To this, I responded in BR_Parkway's thread:

I recall that Cheney and Rove were ruled out, as they were not on that trip.

Here's a string at TPM that seems to make Condi the source for that particular Plame outing/smear:

DID CONDI PUSH THE "WILSON'S WIFE SENT HIM STORY"?
By daxman
From: Top Reader Blogs
http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/7/20/16340/8649


Press gaggle transcripts show that it was Condoleezza Rice, not Ari Fleischer, who was pushing the press to look into the reasons the CIA sent Wilson to Niger.



Jul 20, 2005 -- 04:47:22 PM EST


As it has been discussed, Fitzgerald’s office is keenly interested in the State Department memo, distributed in the days leading up to the Novak article, disclosing that Wilson’s wife had something to do with sending Wilson to Niger. The LA Times July 18, 2005 story discusses how there is interest in whether Ari Fleischer was pushing the story to reporters before the Novak article appeared.


The LA Times July 18, 2005 articles ends with:

“And Fleischer also seemed attuned to a strategy of discrediting Wilson. Two days before Novak revealed Plame's identity, Fleischer questioned the former envoy's findings in remarks to reporters during a trip with Bush in Africa.


The transcript of that press gaggle (the term for an informal question-and-answer between reporters and the White House spokesman), which took place in the National Hospital in Abuja, Nigeria, has been requested by the prosecutors.”


The transcript of the July 12, 2003 press gaggle reveals no reference to the Wilson matter. Fleischer may have been pushing the story in his July 7, 2003 gaggle. (See text of his Wilson reference in the July 7, 2003 gaggle below). But a key exchange on the Wilson trip did occur in the July 11, 2003 press gaggle aboard Air Force One with both Ari Fleischer and Condoleezza Rice and it wasn’t Ari pushing the Wilson story.


The transcript of the July 11, 2003 press gaggle has this interesting exchange:


Q Dr. Rice, when did you all find out that the documents were forged?
DR. RICE: Sometime in March, I believe. Is that right?
MR. FLEISCHER: The IAEA reported it.
DR. RICE: The IAEA reported it I believe in March. But I will tell you that, for instance, on Ambassador Wilson's going out to Niger, I learned of that when I was sitting on whatever TV show it was, because that mission was not known to anybody in the White House. And you should ask the Agency at what level it was known in the Agency.
Q When was that TV show, when you learned about it?
DR. RICE: A month ago, about a month ago.
Q Can I ask you about something else?
DR. RICE: Yes. Are you sure you're through with this?


SNIP

Anyone come across some additional info that might indicate that Fitz has Madame Secretary of State in his cross-hairs?


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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 03:00 PM
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1. Oh, I hope...I hope...
Starting to look like quite a few people were involved on this, isn't it...:bounce:
Here's hoping Fitz has a HUGE, fine-seined net to catch all the fish...
:evilgrin:
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 03:04 PM
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2. Condi's last question couldn't have been more prophetic.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 03:06 PM
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3. Exzcellent Catch
Keep them coming. Nominated.
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yankeedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 03:16 PM
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4. Please no!
We need her to run for president- Diebold hasn't made a machine to rig that many votes that she'll need to win.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 03:25 PM
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5. You bet your sweet bippy she is.
:popcorn:
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 03:37 PM
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6. I will admit I am late to this party but what was the date of the PDB?
Do we know that? That would shed a great deal of light. Could the PDB have taken place on that trip?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 04:20 PM
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12. Looking for that. In the meantime, here's reference to the Niger
forgeries appearing in Bush's PDBs a lot earlier, on 12/19/2002 (highlighted below), and that Condi was the driving force behind putting them there and keeping them in all important documents Bush saw and what was repeated in public statement. This is from an article by Roger Morris in Common Dreams. It's probably the very best timeline, and a must-read for anyone who wants the context behind these recent developments in both the Plamegate and Larry Franklin OSP-AIPAC prosecutions.

Published on Thursday, July 28, 2005 by CommonDreams.org
www.thewe.cc/contents/more/ archive2005/july/condoleezza_rice.htm

The Source Beyond Rove — Condoleezza Rice at the Center of the Plame Scandal
by Roger Morris

July 2002: Concerned at the potential opposition to the war, and to coordinate policy and media relations for the coming attack on Iraq, a special White House Iraq Group (WHIG) is set up, chaired by White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, and composed of Rice, Rove, Libby, Rice’s deputy Stephen Hadley, and media strategists Karen Hughes, a longtime Bush aide, Mary Matalin and others.
The WHIG is to plan and control carefully all high-level leaks and public statements on Iraq and related issues.
“Everything, I mean everything, was run through them and came out of them,” a ranking official will say of the group.
“It was understood, of course, that Condi or Hadley would clear everything from a policy point of view, Rove and Libby would do the politics, and the rest would handle the spin.”

August 26, 2002: “Now we know,” Vice President Cheney tells the VFW convention, “Saddam Hussein has resumed his efforts to acquire nuclear weapons.” Rice routinely clears this speech.

September 2002: Several months earlier, the US and UN embargo of Iraq has seized a shipment of high strength aluminum tubes, which the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and the US State and Energy Departments duly identify as designed solely for launch tubes for conventional artillery rockets.
Despite those expert findings, Rice now claims publicly that the tubes are “only really suited for nuclear weapons programs, centrifuge programs.”
Apparently reflecting the original rumors of the Iraq-Niger deal and the subsequent dubious documents handed the Italians thirteen months before (copies of which have reportedly been given to MI6 British intelligence by an Italian journalist), a British Government White Paper on Iraq released in September mentions that Baghdad “had recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.”
Pressed on the issue by the CIA (on the basis of its now-several reports debunking the story) to drop that statement as inaccurate, the British claim they have sources for the assertion “aside from the discredited letters,” but never identify them.

Rice is fully briefed on all these exchanges.

(Eventually, British intelligence officials will admit the 2002 White Paper statement on uranium from Africa was “unfounded.”
Meanwhile, however, much of official Washington is aware of the CIA-MI6 squabble over the Niger uranium and questionable letters.
“The Brits,” a Congressional intelligence committee staffer will later tell the New Yorker’s Sy Hersh in discussing the issue, “…placed more stock in them than we did.”)
It’s also that September, in answer to a question in a CNN interview about what evidence the White House has of Iraqi nuclear weapons, that Rice makes her infamous quip, a line first authored by Mary Matalin — “We don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.”

September 26, 2002: In closed-hearing testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (with a transcript closely reviewed by Rice), Powell refers to “reports” of an Iraqi purchase of Nigerien uranium as “further proof” of Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction.

October 2002: Seizing on the British White Paper, despite the documented disagreement of the CIA as well as the State and Energy Departments, the Office of Special Plans inserts in a National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iraq, apparently one of the few documents Bush reads in this sequence, a reference to the British report of an Iraq-Niger uranium transaction.
Though the NIE at CIA insistence notes “different interpretations of the significance of the Niger documents,” and that the State Department judges them “highly dubious,” the reference to Nigerien uranium is listed among other reasons to conclude that Iraq poses a danger to American national security.
“Facing clear evidence of peril,” Bush says in a speech in Cincinnati that October, “we cannot wait for the final proof, the smoking gun that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.”
Behind the scenes, an earlier draft of the October speech has also contained a reference to an Iraqi purchase of 500 tons of uranium from Niger, the now-revived claim from the discredited documents of fifteen months before.
CIA Director Tenet urges that the White House take out that reference, and though the Pentagon’s Special Plans office is pushing for inclusion of the reference, Rice’s deputy (and eventual successor) Stephen Hadley, after two memoranda and a phone call from Tenet, finally agrees to drop the passage.

Rice is fully briefed on all this.

December 19, 2002: As preparations are hurried for the attack on Iraq, a State Department “Fact Sheet,” cleared by Rice, asks ominously, “Why is the Iraqi regime hiding their uranium procurement?”
The assumption of the Niger-Iraq uranium connection now begins to appear regularly in the President’s Daily Brief, the CIA intelligence briefing which is now also drafted under the influence of the Office of Special Plans.

January 23, 2003: In a New York Times op-ed entitled “Why We Know Iraq is Lying,” Rice refers prominently to “Iraq’s efforts to get uranium from abroad.”

January 28, 2003: "The British government,” Bush says in his State of the Union litany on the dangers of Iraq, “has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.”

Rice and her staff, of course, have as always laboriously worked and reworked the national security passages of the speech.

In readying the address, Rice’s NSC Staff assistant for nonproliferation, Robert Joseph, asks Alan Foley, a ranking CIA expert on the subject, about the “uranium from Africa” passage, which obviously refers to the old Niger issue.
Foley says the CIA doubts the Niger letters and connection, has disputed the British White Paper (as Rice and Joseph well know), and recommends that the NSC strike the reference.
In typical bureaucratic fashion, however, Foley also says it would be “technically accurate” to say that the British had in fact issued such a report on Iraq, however mistaken.

With the approval of Rice and her deputy Hadley, the passage stays, becoming a major piece of “evidence” in the case for war.

February 5, 2003: In his now infamous presentation to the United Nations, a factor in silencing many potential dissenters in Congress, Powell pointedly omits any reference to the Nigerien uranium. The story “had not stood the test of time,” he says later.
That February, too, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, as part of his own propaganda for war, issues a Ten Downing Street paper called “Iraq: Its Infrastructure of Concealment, Deception, and Intimidation,” which includes a reference to the Nigerien uranium.
Thought to be drawn from authoritative MI6 intelligence, the paper is soon widely ridiculed, eleven of its sixteen pages found to be copied verbatim from an old Israeli magazine.


March 7, 2003: In response to a request four months before, the State Department finally hands over to the IAEA copies of the Niger letters, which UN experts promptly dismiss as “not authentic” and “blatant forgeries.”
“These documents are so bad,” a senior IAEA official tells the press, “that I cannot imagine that they came from a serious intelligence agency. It depresses me, given the low quality of the documents, that it was not stopped. At the level it reached, I would have expected more checking.”
A former high-level intelligence official tells The New Yorker, “Somebody deliberately let something false get in there. It could not have gotten into the system without the agency being involved. Therefore it was an internal intention. Someone set someone up.”


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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 05:07 PM
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15. Looks like PDB was June 18 or 19, 2003
This is the closest I can come to pinning this down right now. The following is a Murray Waas report extract in the Huffington Post yesterday:

Murray Waas: Fitzgerald Court Papers: Bush Was Briefed on Joe Wilson Murray Waas
Fri Feb 3, 6:21 PM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060203/cm_huffpost/015078


SNIP

In court papers made public late last week, Fitzgerald revealed that there was information regarding Wilson's mission to Niger contained in at least one PDB, or possibly more, although the special prosecutor provided no specifics of the specific intelligence information that was contained in the ordinarily highly classified briefing materials.

In a letter that Fitzgerald sent Libby's attorneys on January 9, 2006, and filed in federal court late last week, http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2006/02/libby013106.pdf
Fitzgerald wrote: "As you are well aware, the documents referred to as Presidential Daily Briefs ("PDBs") are extraordinarily sensitive documents which are usually highly classified. We have never requested copies of any PDBs. However, we did ask for relevant documents relating to Ambassador Joseph Wilson and his wife; Valerie Plame Wilson... and the trip undertaken by former Ambassador Joseph Wilson to Niger in 2002... from the Executive Branch of the President and the Office of the Vice President.

"We also sought from the Central Intelligence Agency documents relating to the same item.... relating to the same items, with the exception that the CIA was not requested to produce documents in the files regarding Valerie Plame and Wilson that were not related directly or indirectly to Ambassador Wilson's travel to Niger in February 2002.


SNIP

As my National Journal story first disclosed yesterday, then-CIA director George Tenet received a highly classified memo on June 17, 2003, on the Niger matter from his analysts warning that allegations that Saddam Hussein had attempted to procure uranium from the African nation were to no longer to be believed. In the memo, the CIA analysts wrote: "Since learning that the Iraqi-Niger uranium deal was based on false documents earlier this spring, we no longer believe that there is sufficient other reporting to conclude that Iraq purchased uranium from abroad."

The memo also related that there had been other, earlier claims that Saddam's regime had attempted to purchase uranium from private interests in Somalia and Benin; these claims predated the Niger allegations. It was that past intelligence that had led CIA analysts, in part, to consider the Niger claims as plausible. But the memo said that after a thorough review of those earlier reports, the CIA had concluded that they were no longer credible. Indeed, the previous intelligence reports citing those claims had long since been "recalled" -- meaning that the CIA had formally repudiated them. Within days after Tenet received the memo, the CIA provided the information contained in it to both Cheney and Libby in briefings on the matter. The congressional Senate and House Intelligence Committees received similar briefings on June 18 and June 19, 2003, according to government records.

Two senior government officials suggested that it was likely that Bush would have also been similarly briefed, because Cheney, Libby, Tenet, and the Senate and House Senate committees had been at the time, and also because the issue of Wilson's trip to Niger was being discussed in the media and Capitol Hill. Said one official: "It would have just made sense, that this was have recycled to the President too... There is a lot of similarity as to what the President and Vice President are briefed about." Despite having been briefed on the CIA's findings, Cheney continued to defend the Niger allegations as possibly still credible. Appearing on Meet the Press on Sept. 14, 2003, at least two and half months after having been told of the CIA's new conclusions, Cheney said: "n the whole thing, the question of whether or not the Iraqis were trying to acquire uranium in Africa -- In the British report, this week, the Committee of the British Parliament, which just spent 90 days investigating all of this, revalidated their claim that Saddam was, in fact, trying to acquire uranium in Africa. What was in the State of the Union speech and what was in the original British White papers. So there may be difference of opinion there. I don't know what the truth is on the ground with respect to that."


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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 03:50 PM
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7. k and r
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 03:53 PM
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8. Nice catch yourself - I hadn't even looked beyond the names in the 3 posts
about all the little golden nuggets in Fitz's 2 response letters. And he didn't even get into the Niger forgeries or any of the info that he's found out about that.

Maybe, we're finally going to rope in all the criminals.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 03:58 PM
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9. Princess Talking Points is nothing if not a team player.
Note her eagerness to deflect the question to the Agency.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 04:08 PM
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10. This statement is incredible, as always:
From above Q & A.

Dr. Rice: "The IAEA reported it I believe in March. But I will tell you that, for instance, on Ambassador Wilson's going out to Niger, I learned of that when I was sitting on whatever TV show it was, because that mission was not known to anybody in the White House. And you should ask the Agency at what level it was known in the Agency.

Joseph WIlson has told us that on arriving in Niger he met with the Ambassador, an assumed Bush appointee, a female. He said that her Embassy staff people had already conducted an investigation to determine if Hussein had made or tried to make yellowcake deals in Niger. She said they came up with nothing. They discussed that he would give emphasis to contact with diplomats who he was familiar with while an Ambassador to the yellowcake area to cover Pele he might know that are no longer in the same positions - to widen the circle of sources. (All my words and paraphrasing).

Please don't anyone say that she didn't report back to Powell or someone on his staff as reported by his Ambassador that Wilson was there and the his report confirms their report? So Powell knew. Cheney was hunting for proof. The CIA knew. She, as NSC adviser and WHIG member held a job that required that she coordinate the information. She as adviser (or whatever the labels was) was responsible for vetting SOTU speeches.

Are we to believe that the Bush Ambassador didn't tell the State Dept - and the State Dept and Powell didn't talk about it in one of their Cabinet meetings and that the CIA didn't tell Cheney - OR anyone else on the WHIG?

He made the trip in Feb of 2002 (?). Did the report die? I think not.

My theory - Every person who received an important promotion since shock and awe is a suspect for leaking. Why not?

P.S. I don't know if Queen Liar is better at ineptness or lying. What a revolting employee of ours. And the reward for screwing people is = the rich and their corporations and foundations get more tax breaks and unheard of profits.
















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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 04:10 PM
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11. My heart is fluttering!
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 04:23 PM
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13. kewl!

It figures she'd be sitting on some tv show, always spouting the lies of the admin. K & R
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 04:26 PM
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14. I'm counting on it.
I want all these criminals put away for good.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 07:44 PM
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16. Kick
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 08:10 PM
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17. The WHIG
is being closely examined. All of it.
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