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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 03:29 PM
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Wow... 'When Two Worlds Collide: Rove v. Fitzgerald'
When Two Worlds Collide: Rove v. Fitzgerald

By Elizabeth de la Vega

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Fitzgerald's world is far removed from the world of expediency and personal advantage in which Karl Rove operates. In his carefully crafted statements during the FBI interview on October 8, Rove indicated an obvious belief that he could get away with spreading information about government employees for political purposes as long as someone else had revealed that information first, regardless of whether or not the information was disparaging or classified. He did not appear to be concerned with where the information came from, or even whether it was true.

Although it is astounding that Rove would blatantly describe such a despicable ethos (if you can call it that), it should not have been unexpected. In the world of campaign politics that Rove has so long inhabited, smears and personal attacks are designed to seem as if they were spontaneously generated. They can then wander around, undirected, until they finally curl up in America's living rooms like so many mysterious, uninvited guests. These intruders may be rude and destructive, but no one is supposed to be able to get rid of them, in part because no one is supposed to be able to sort out or pinpoint how they got there in the first place. Thus, although Karl Rove has lurked in the background of an unprecedented number of whisper and smear campaigns – that, for instance, John McCain had an illegitimate child (a rumor spread during the Republican primaries that preceded the 2000 election), or that former Texas Governor Ann Richards was a lesbian (a persistent rumor that was spread during Bush's Texas gubernatorial campaign) – he has never been held accountable. And that is a state of affairs to which Rove became accustomed.

Rove has escaped responsibility for his sneaky campaign tricks because the candidates for whom he has worked – most prominently, George Bush – have had a stunning ability to accept, unquestioningly, the miraculous appearance of information that takes down their opponents. They had no problem about endorsing brazen dishonesty or the least interest in ferreting out bad actors in their camps. At the same time, opposing candidates have had neither the resources, nor the time to fully investigate the attacks before plummeting in the polls. Afterwards, of course, it was already far too late.

Unlike Rove's former adversaries in the political world, however, Fitzgerald has both the time and investigative resources. When Fitzgerald was appointed special prosecutor, all the known facts on the outing of Valerie Wilson indicated that government officials had broken the rules, if not the law. It's no surprise then that Fitzgerald has pursued the matter vigorously; nor should it be a surprise that Rove's statement to the FBI on October 8 would have raised some obvious red flags and caused Fitzgerald to become skeptical. Rove deliberately omitted key information about conversations with reporters that he could not possibly have forgotten; he claimed to have heard classified government information only from a reporter – despite the fact that he himself was one of the highest government officials in the nation; and then he admitted that he had no qualms about enlisting surrogates to betray government employees in order to achieve political gain.

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More (second article): http://www.lewrockwell.com/engelhardt/engelhardt161.html

This is on earthquake I welcome entirely!

:kick:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 03:32 PM
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1. Finally, a righteous reckoning.
Rove so deserves to go down, and I couldn't think of a more tenacious prosecutor than Fitzgerald.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 04:00 PM
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5. Pardon?
Do you think we'll have a "Saturday Night Massacre", in which Fitz gets fired and pardons are issued all around?

That would be right after Diebold delivers them another man date.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 05:51 PM
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11. I don't think Diebold had anything to do with Jeff Gannon/Guckert, just
fraudulent results.
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 05:49 PM
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10. Hmmm. just how many prosecutors do you know in-depth?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 06:01 PM
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13. They cleverly conceal that information in newspapers. (nt)
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 03:40 PM
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2. A great article, describing the karmic limits of Rove's modus operandi.
:thumbsup:
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 03:47 PM
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3. Come On, Karl, We Want To See You Do Da Frog March
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 03:51 PM
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4. Thanks -- both are great articles.
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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 04:03 PM
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6. Thanks for posting that article; it was a good read.
And as an Illinois resident, I can tell you that Fitzgerald is rabid about pursuing corrupt government officials, and he doesn't particularly care about the party affiliation of whomever he's investigating. It's too bad more Illinois Republicans aren't like Mr. Fitzgerald.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 04:15 PM
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7. kick
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 04:54 PM
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8. SANITY at last!
"According to reports, Rove then added that he had first heard about Valerie Wilson from a reporter, though he did not remember which reporter or when he heard it. He also said that he had enlisted the aid of the Republican National Committee and conservative news agencies among other groups to spread disparaging information about Joseph Wilson and his wife, but only after Novak's article appeared.

Rove's elaboration not only compounded his initial lie but also illuminated the world of politics that he has been incapable of leaving behind – a world that collides head-on with the one Patrick Fitzgerald inhabits, where politics have no place and where laws, and the highest standards of public service, prevail. "


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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 05:39 PM
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9. I'm gonna buy a very good bottle of champagne.
And get ready to put it on ice.

Indictments for Rove will be so delicious.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 05:59 PM
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12. Got a bottle of Dom Perignon nice and cold
When all hell breaks loose on these criminals, I'm gonna stay drunk for three damn days. I'll spring for anyone that wants to join me.







P.S.- Thank you for your service. :patriot:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 06:06 PM
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14. For those DUers who dislike the Lew Rockwell site ...
... this same commentary by Ms. de la Vega appeared in Mother Jones yesterday.
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2006/02/rove_fitzgerald.html

It originally appeared on TomDispatch (a project of the Nation Institute).
http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=55695
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 06:24 PM
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15. that's very helpful
in fact a repost might be in order
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 06:52 PM
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16. Ok... I'll Bite... Remind Me What The Problem With Rockwell Is Again ???
Da Vega has been writing some interesting stuff on the Fitzgerald Investigation, so I posted the first thing I found.

So what's the deal?

:shrug:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 07:43 PM
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17. K & R
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 08:32 PM
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18. We`ve heard so much about Rove`s "genius" but
that isn`t going to help him one bit once these dominoes start to fall.
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