Can anyone point to that thread with the toons of Jesus

[Perky]

at the olympic swim meet running on the water???

[Harper_is_Bush]

1. Is your point that Muslims shouldn't be offended because

Christians aren't?

Oh those dumb Muslims, if they could just be more laid back like Christians are!

:eyes:

[Perky]

2. No no No :)

I thought it was hysterical and wanted to show it to some of my fundy friends at church. Seriously.

I think it any cartoon was patently offensive to a group they have the right to complain as loud as they want. You come after what I hold near and dear and stereotype my faith I will respond strongly. People on here know that about me.

The cartoon I speak of was actually the OP with something like twenty other cartoons. SOme weree moderately offensive but that one was just funny.

[DaveinMD]

3. so they react to a cartoon

with violence. Give me a break. The religious extremists are dangerous and offensive no matter the religion.

[Harper_is_Bush]

4. Have all offended Muslims reacted with violence?

There's a lot of generalizations about Muslims who are expressing outrage and demonstrating going on here lately.

[DaveinMD]

5. not all muslims

Muslim extremists. And that is my point. Extremist in all religions need to be marginalized by moderates in those religions. Sane Christians must speak out against the Pat Robertsons of the world. Sane Jews must speak out against the Netanyahu's and moderate Muslims must stand against those who try to use violence in the name of their religion.

[Harper_is_Bush]

6. Are the offended Muslims who are demonstrating extremists?

[DaveinMD]

7. the muslims

who tried to take hostages are extremists. Peaceful demonstrations are great. Violent ones are not. Its that simple.

[Harper_is_Bush]

8. So then the vast majority of the demonstrations and the outrage..

is absolutely fine.

[DaveinMD]

9. peaceful outrage is always fine

its the violence that I have a problem with. Nothing has killed more people than violence in the name of religion.

[genie_weenie]

10. The muslim world is reacting

This is being lead by many a Islamic organization, and is rallied against by many an Imam, and several Muslim governments have lead the charge.

My view breaks down to the newspaper put them out there (probably as a provocation) and Muslim governments seized upon them and used them as propaganda in order to continue to provide a boogeyman for their people to focus upon.

I don't care how offensive the pictures are, they may or may not offend you, the basic question is who decides what is offensive or blashphemy?

I point out again Dante's Inferno in which Mohammad has his stomach flayed open, with Virgil looking down, in the 9th Circle of Hell. That's seems a pretty terrible picture of the so-called prophet, does that mean if a newspaper published an engraving of William Blake's rendition of that scene should they be boycotted?

[Harper_is_Bush]

11. So Islamic organizations and governments are driving this?

Is that your view?

What role - if any - to individual Muslims have in deciding these images are offensive?

[genie_weenie]

13. this is more nuanced than that...

No, I will not fall into this trap. This issue has invoked *at least* 1.5 billion different reactions. And I'm sure there are many pious Muslims, open-minded Catholics, warm and generous Buddhists, kind hearted Shintoists who are offended by these images.

But, the question is, is a violent reaction justified? Is threatening to kill *all* Westeners justifiable? Can you use extra-governmental organization to force your views upon another nation?

And I will not allow some DUers to hold the cavet of violence is never the answer but I understand why Muslims are Embassy burning mad.

That view is hypocritical, and has been used by many evil groups and nations to justify their odious behavior.

And yes I believe that Corrupt Governments of Muslim Nations around the world are using this to their advantage.

Do you concede that my above premise *may* have merit?

I do not happen to be offended by the images and I do not also think Muhammed was a prophet.

[Harper_is_Bush]

14. I was commenting mainly on your allegation about Muslim organizations and

governments "leading" the reaction and "seizing" upon it for propaganda.

Muslim governments don't need to seize on anything for "propaganda". Seeing images of the USA engaged in an uneccessary war against an oil-rich Muslim nation is quite enough propaganda for the entire Mid-East.

What exactly do you mean by this comment:
"This is being lead by many a Islamic organization, and is rallied against by many an Imam, and several Muslim governments have lead the charge."
?

[genie_weenie]

15. Islamic organizations leading the charge

On October 19, ten ambassadors from Islamic countries, including Algeria, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Morocco, Pakistan, Libya, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey, as well as the head of the Palestinian delegation in Denmark, sent a letter to Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen requesting a meeting and asking him to distance himself from hate speech, including remarks by MP Louise Frevert, Culture Minister of Denmark Brian Mikkelsen, and the Radio Holger station.

&category=Kingdom

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=105717

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reactions_to_the_Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4567940.stm

AS I stated, it is my oponion that Islamic Leaders will try and use this to keep their citizens from paying attention to from internal problems by cultivating the belief in this Islamophobia Boogeyman in Europe...

Religion can be used for jingoistic purposes the same as WMDs...

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. If you find it PM me with the link

I am looking too.