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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 07:22 PM
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It's unfair and inaccurate to compare Bush and Nixon
Edited on Sat Feb-04-06 07:22 PM by Armstead
Richard Nixon got caught and insisted "I am not a crook" and tried to fight that percerption by denying that he had broken any laws.

GW got caught and said "I broke a law that I decided was inconvenient. What ya going to do about it chumps? Ha,ha,ha."

The comparison is unfair to Nixon.

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 07:25 PM
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1. Nixon did a lot of good things
EPA, OSHA, Endangered Species Act, ending the draft, relations with China, affirmative action programs.

It was just those whole Vietnam and Watergate things, but those were, uh, kind of big things.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 07:27 PM
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7. He was certainly a paradox, wasn't he?
I guess paranoia and power isn't a good mix. :shrug:
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 07:28 PM
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8. Nixon
stared the entire southern strategy. It was the beginning of Republican wedge issue politics.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 11:24 PM
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28. He deserved impeachment, but the good outnumbered the bad.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 07:25 PM
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2. Nixon got us out of a quagmire - * put us in one.
Nixon could actually talk and walk at the same time. Nixon only bugged the Democratic headquarters during an elecion. * has easdropped in thousands of Americans for 5 years. We lost no cities or buildings under Nixon.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 07:26 PM
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3. Oh, and Nixon was lawfully elected and re-elected...
...and his daughters never smoked pot--at least not to my knowledge.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 07:27 PM
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4. The comparison is ONLY about WIRETAPPING. n/t
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 07:27 PM
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5. Nixon... "I am not a chimp!" n/t
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 10:15 PM
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26. ROFL!!!
:ROFL:
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Innoma Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 07:27 PM
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6. You're Right. Nixon Was Intelligent.
While Bush is...

Er...

Anyone wanna help me out on this one? No? Anyone...........?
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 07:34 PM
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14. Vacuous?
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 07:29 PM
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9. Nixon had talent: played piano. * is a waste of space.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 07:34 PM
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13. Bush can barely play his iPod
<snip>

The task of downloading the music falls to the 58-year-old president's personal aide, Blake Gottesman, who buys individual songs and albums from the iTunes music store.

<snip>

http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/04/12/bush.ipod/
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 08:15 PM
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19. but he can tear up a cedar 'bush'
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bballny Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 09:32 PM
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23. I ;d love to see his playlist
I bet it's putrid
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 07:31 PM
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10. He was also set to be impeached
While the members of Congress today could give a damn (with the exception of a few of course).
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 07:31 PM
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11. Right, Bush is the first one to admit
he committed a high crime and bragged about it :rofl: BIXON.
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 07:33 PM
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12. and Nixon didn't
say Nucular.
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 07:34 PM
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15. I see a partial rehab of Nixon coming
I used to HATE him, but now recognize his "middle way" to advance foreign relations ala China, the EPA and "urban renewal' projects which got lost in his paranoia resulting in Watergate and trying to find an inextricably way out of Nam.

I think he would find Dubya abhorrent.

I NEVER thought I could hate anyone more than Dubya - but Nixon looks good right about now.

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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 08:11 PM
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17. before you get too nostalgic
just remember who invented dirty tricks,the white house plumbers, the enemies list, and it was his dream to create one party rule in the US, and the brutal suppresion of student
protests that included Kent State.
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 08:22 PM
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21. I agree -to a point
His paranoia about "executive privilege" primarily about 'Nam obliterated his positive aspects.

If not for 'Nam and his reliance on Kissinger/McNamara etal - his domestic and other foreign policies would place him among "moderate progressives".

A mighty big IF, I agree.

But it pales in comparison with the Demander in Thief.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 08:41 PM
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22. I understand but Nixon was the architect of all this
In many ways he was the architect of what's happening now, including wiretaps, remember
the swiftboating of Kerry, he even hired the same guy. Bush just expanded on his
ideas; so many of the forces that can into play back then including executive privilege
are still in effect.
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 07:39 PM
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16. similarities
Nixon was intelligent; Bush is not. I think Bush sees himself as an FDR of sorts. Packing the Court, and changing the relationship between the public and government. An anti-FDR, if you will. One who's trying to use 9/11 much the way FDR used Pearl Harbor.
In reality, I think Bush is closer to LBJ, albeit a socially conservative LBJ. Both brought the dirtiness of Texas politics to government. Bush seems to be politically wed to Cheney, ex-Halliburton CEO. LBJ was married to Lady Bird, a Halliburton heir. Both presidents ascribed to the theory of long-term limited warfare, much to the delight of the defense contractors.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 08:13 PM
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18. oh, yeah?
:rofl:

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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 08:17 PM
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20. At Least Nixon Did Something Good...
Opened up China to the West and brought home some pandas.

Err... on second thought, that "opening up China" part might not have been such a hot idea.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 10:02 PM
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24. More like China opened us up
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abex Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 10:10 PM
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25. more alike than unalike nt
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 10:16 PM
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27. Could nixon pronounce nuclear?
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