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Acebass Donating Member (926 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 08:35 PM
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Protesters scaled the Danish site amid chants of "God is great",
before moving on to attack the Norwegian mission...

does this not send chills up your spine?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4681294.stm
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 08:39 PM
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1. Why do so many think
violence is the answer?
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 08:41 PM
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2. No Chills, just my tinfoil hat
But this doesn't bode well for Syria who is in *'s sights already.

Seems a little convenient to have this all stirred up over cartoons.

Soon all of Europe will be behind * to attack Syria.

Hmmmmmmm
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Acebass Donating Member (926 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 08:50 PM
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5. I have this vision
of hords of people swarming over the gate, with me inside and an athiest...
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 09:33 PM
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7. fellow atheist here.....don't the religious drive you nuts?
I'm continually amazed by their overreactions to things. But yeah....your imagery is definitely scary.
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Acebass Donating Member (926 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 10:30 PM
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8. You just have to watch the History channel
preferably the Hitler years...build up to the war, people in this state of mind will do anything...Religion is an awesome weapon to wield...
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 08:41 PM
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3. Then surely God is greater than some stupid cartoon!
Damn hypocritical morons.
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Acebass Donating Member (926 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 08:48 PM
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4. were it a cartoon
god would be laughing...
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 09:29 PM
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6. Many things send chills up my spine.
Edited on Sat Feb-04-06 09:31 PM by igil
I've learned to turn down the air-conditioning and be thankful I'm saving money ... at least in the summer.

But, yes. Having a bunch of crazed people calling themselves by the name reserved for members of a religious denomination and ostensibly doing reprehensible things in the name of that religion is chilling, in many ways.

Another is the inability of English speakers and the unwillingness of translators to make clear that there is no difference in Modern Standard Arabic between comparative and superlative. "Allahu 'akbar" emphatically does not use an adjective in the positive degree. It's not "God is great"; it's either "God is greater" or "God is greatest", with no meaningful difference between the two in that context. "Allahu kabir" would be "God is great." But that's not what they say: It's an affirmation of supremacy, not (at best) mere equality.

*That* is chilling.

More chilling, however, are people that quibble over exactly what to call them, split hairs over whether it's "the" religion or some simulacrum religion, all to make sure the reputation of what they believe is left intact and there's no chance of local recriminations--at least most of those people are simply rationally, if short-sightedly, self-serving. It also deprives them of any communal responsibility, in a religion that has traditionally relied on a very strongly communal sense of justice between groups.

I'm terrified of the people that debate endlessly whether this response is called for and justified, uncalled for and unjustifiable, or partially called for and only partially unjustifiable, given US atrocities in 1824, 1949, and the average price of wheat flour in Tobolsk; and given alleged but unproven, and certainly irrelevant, similarities in the composition of ink and superficial style between a Nazi cartoonist in 1938 and a number of Danish cartoonists. People who ponder endlessly what context will make the moral dilemma go away, absolve them of any need or requirement to pronounce a judgement against an ethnicity that they've so come to believe must be innocent, and then conduct their ratiocination based upon on the desired outcome, not the reported facts that should be used as input. Their only excuse is cowardice, moral or intellectual. Which it is is immaterial, when pitted against a foe (military or intellectual) that plausibly has a greater will to power.

edited for grammar.
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Acebass Donating Member (926 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 10:36 PM
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9. Thats all well and good
Edited on Sat Feb-04-06 10:37 PM by Acebass
but quite banal to those standing on the otherside of the wall...don't you think?
Thanks for the rendering...
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 04:44 PM
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10. Yeah, it's just that I look at both sides of the wall.
On the one side, "Allahu akbar!"

On the other side, "Gee, I think we need to ponder exactly what they could mean by that." At some point the sheer impotence of the one side all but elicits derision and attack.

Take Byzantium and Islam, for example.
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corporate_mike Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 10:35 PM
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11. Scary riot pictures




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