Kerry campaign wiretapped? Were there any anomolous events

[Jackpine Radical]

that could be best explained with a wiretap hypothesis? Any occasions when the Kerry people were obviously blindsided by the Bush campaign in ways that either suggested a mole or a wiretap? Think, people. Let's dig on this idea for a while. Who knows what might pop back up the serendipity hole?

[Hokie]

1. Funny you should ask...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2440210&mesg_id=2440210

[JDPriestly]

2. Excellent theory about the CBS/Rather/Bush

military record scandal. Thus far, there is no evidence that you are right, but that doesn't mean you are wrong? Deserves futher investigation.

[Toucano]

3. The Kerry campaign's wounds were self-inflicted

Even with the fraud, he could have won decidedly but for:

The failure to respond to Swiftboat campaign...
"I voted for it before I voted against it..."
"I would still have voted for IWR knowing what I know now."

If the campaign was wiretapped, it had no impact.

[blm]

5. That was media inflicted, not self-inflicted. Check the research forum for

the truth.

[Toucano]

7. No. I was there. It was him.

Clinging to delusions won't help anybody overcome anything.

His awkward dance to seem both anti-war and pro-war simultaneously gave the media the amunition and they used it. Why blame them?

[emulatorloo]

9. quoted out of context - best bush quotes shown 24/7, worst Kerry quotes

shown 24/7. Better yet, kerry shown speaking with no audio while a talking head erroneously summarized him.

And bushbot "spokespeople" given free reign to lie and misinterpret Kerry's positions - creating a bullshit strawman John Kerry that no "newsman" ever treated skeptically.

Did Kerry make mistakes? sure.

Did bush never make a mistake on the campaign trail? All his mistakes were left on the cutting room floor.

[FreedomAngel82]

12. Exactly

I have this great song that has Kerry speeches in with it (a remix type thing) and he's so presidential and powerful and it's great to listen to. I love it. If you listen to this and compare it to what was on "the news" it's such a different John Kerry. I remember shortly after November 2nd Jon Stewart was on Larry King talking about his book "America", the show etc. and this girl in seventh grade called in and told how her class was following the election and she knew more than anybody in her class and all from watching the "Daily Show." I thought that was amazing but not surprising.

[blm]

17. Because his stance was CLEAR - war as last resort JUST LIKE IWR guidelines

stated - and which BUSH VIOLATED.

Only morons incapable of comprehension believed the WH mediaspin.

[Lerkfish]

4. the 24 hour capitulation.

what was that about? It seemed to take even John Edwards by surprise. My impression was that Edwards was
chafing at having to give up so early.

I"d consider that an anomaly, especially as Kerry has campaigned for funds to be used expressly
for making sure the vote was taken accurately or fairly. The notion of "there's no way we could win anyways" was never
supposed to be reason for examining the election. It was supposed to be a "I've got your back" on
election integrity, regardless of outcome.

[Jackpine Radical]

6. OK--that was weird. Can you tie it to wiretapping?

[Lerkfish]

19. not definitively. Was just coming up with anomalies...but

it was something that seemed really wonky and as if some backroom decisions had been made. suddenly.

sorry I misunderstood your question, actually, I thought you were looking for any anomalies without clear explanations.

[Jackpine Radical]

21. I was mostly thinking about anomalies that might make sudden sense

when you think "Wiretap!" I think it's fine to come up with any & all anomalies & throw them out on the table. If I don't see the connection, somebody else may. I was just wondering if you saw a wiretap connection here, since I couldn't.

[thefloyd]

8. Kerry /Rather should just raise the idea

of getting wiretapped. Probabaly not true but will force the administration to be defensive on several issues

[MasonJar]

10. There were innumerable times when Kerry went to a city for a

rally or speech that Bush was just around the corner. Fancy that!

[FreedomAngel82]

11. I do remember

one time Kerry and Bush were both in Ohio the same day just a few miles from each other for example.

[bluedog]

13. his so called "affair"

with Alexandra Polier
Falsely accused of having an affair with John Kerry, the “intern” sifts through the mud and the people who threw it.


http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/politics/national/features/9221/

[emulatorloo]

14. interesting quote re Polier's email account being hacked

<snip>

More alarmingly, my Hotmail account had been broken into, and I couldn’t access my e-mail. Random people in my in-box whom I hadn’t spoken to in months suddenly started getting calls from reporters. My father called to tell me someone had tried the same thing with his account, but that his security software had intercepted them and tracked them back to a rogue computer address in Washington, D.C. When I finally got back into my account, assuming the hacker was a Republican, I changed my password to “Bushsucksdick.”

<snip>

Thanks for the link to that story

[KittyWampus]

20. Thanks, that slipped by me completely at the time (her comments).

[Justice Is Comin]

15. Remember when Kerry thought his mike was off

after a speech and responding to a questioner said something about world leaders had told him they wanted Bush removed? And Kerry wouldn't say who they were.

That was probably when the tap was checked to make sure it was working.

[Kansas Wyatt]

16. Immediately following the election, Ken Mehlman

Was on television nonstop bragging about how the Bush/Cheney campaign targeted voters, the same way corporations target consumers, by data mining them.

They used the NSA to electioneer, subvert, taint, and rig the 2004 Election, and people need to start questioning where the oversight was to protect the American people from this abuse of power.

[bigtree]

18. funny. we were just musing on the same thing

it would be kinda like winning the lottery

I think the untold story of what actually happened in that meeting Bush had with the NYT editors to get them to suppress the story of his NSA warrantless snooping is a big one because of the way that info could have affected that election. Different take, same elements though.