With Iran close to nukes, should they make one, who will they attack?

[Deja Q]

Well, who are they most likely to attack before getting their pasty ass blown off the face of this sad planet?

[Mr_Spock]

1. Iran is "close to nukes"? They are building weapons?

Huh?

[Deja Q]

9. Are you so naive? Google these three words:

"Iran" "Russia" "sales"

You'll get everything you ever wanted to know. And a lot of it isn't from right-wing sites either.

They need build nothing. Russia's been in bed with them for years.

Now, I could be naive too. But right now, I'm more worried.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

24. Skip the name-calling. While you're at it, point out any specific....

...references to Iran buying or building nukes in any of the links you provided.

According to REAL sources on this issue, Iran is about 10 years away from actually developing a nuclear weapon. Are we now going to attack ANY country we SUSPECT may be thinking about developing nuclear weapons? Do you support that strategy?

This is the same propaganda gameplan the NeoCons used to get Americans to support the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq. Are we going to fall for the same pack of lies used against Iraq with Iran as the current target? After Iran, who's next?

One more point...we've been supplying arms to EVERYONE capable of buying them for the last several decades. If any country is "in bed" from a weapons sale perspective with ANY other country in the world, it would be the U. S.

[MakeItSo]

38. You are IRRESPONSIBLE to spread these pro-war LIES

Are you for real, dude? Are you more scared of Iran than you are of the United States? Do you REALLY think that Iran is going to send an intercontinental ballistic missile to the United States????

THEY HAVE NO NUKES. THEY HAVE NO FUCKING ENRICHED URANIUM. THEY ARE AT LEAST 5 YEARS AWAY FROM A BOMB. THE HAVE NO LONG-RANGE BALLISTIC MISSILES.

Do you remember how you were LIED TO ABOUT IRAQ? WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU TRUST the government of the MSM on IRAN???

WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!

[Mr_Spock]

39. Uh-oh - Bush has gotten to our own

We're SCREWED I tell you SCREWED.

I never thought that one week could do this to a good DU'er.

Now I'm scared. Not of Iran, but of the stupidity of the American people.

[SidDithers]

2. Where's the choice of Nobody?

Or are we assuming they'll just fire them off when they get 'em.

Sid

[Deja Q]

14. Well, Iran has been very vocal about Israel for whatever reason...

Probably religion.

It's a good thing their religion clouds their ability to think, or the world WOULD be in trouble. (religion is one thing. Common sense is another; the two don't always go hand-in-hand.)

[abex]

41. well one reason might be israel's threats to blow up their energy program

[Zodiak]

3. Iran is at least ten years away

and that is if everything they need to do to make a weapon goes swimmingly.

[DoYouEverWonder]

4. Please, Iran is no where near

being able to build a nuke.

I'm much more concerned about all the stuff from Saddam's arsenal that the US let all the insurgents help themselves to.

[Deja Q]

16. Or Russia's leaving of their stockpiles unguarded... never mind

Russia selling weapons to Iran; Iran needn't build very much of anything at all. Just prime what they've got, and Russia is a big player with that.

[DoYouEverWonder]

19. Heck, who needs to go to Russia

I bet you could get your hands on anything you want right here.

They just busted some Bay of Pigs alumni in Miami two months ago, with enough artillery to cause a major bloodbath. All of this was storied in a Broward County condo. Terrorists don't like to mess with nukes, it's too hard. Who needs that crap when you can take out a Federal Building with a truck full of fertilizer?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

32. The primary supplier of weapons to the world, by an overwhelming....

...margin, is the U. S.

Under the NeoCon Junta, the U. S. has ratcheted-up arm sales to any country willing to buy them, and has shared or sold technology that other countries would never be able to develop.

Russia is like a little kid selling lemonade, compared to the global arm-sales campaign of the Pentagon.

Sounds like you've been reading too many of those stories that get planted in the foreign and domestic media.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

5. Well, if they want their entire country flattened and burnt to a

crisp, they will attack Israel or American interests abroad. Now, given that outcome, do you think they would launch a missle to Israel? I think not. Given the warning by the dick that no matter what happens (nuclearly speaking) certain interests will be targeted with whatever means necessary. Yeah, I think as soon as they get one, they are going to address it to Israel and then duck and cover.

[Toucano]

6. "Close to nukes..."?

Why buy they hype?

[rman]

7. other: none

[Poll_Blind]

8. Iran is NOT close to nukes. What a joke... n/t

PB

[Pavulon]

10. Wipe you off the map

and other choice comments make Israel a prime target.

Now that the US has stated it will back israel that may change things.

The response to an attack would not be 20 - 100 mt from Israel (at best) but a coordinated second strike from the us arsenal. 3000 mt is a larger stick. They have no defense from gravity bombs dropped from stealth jets and trident and MX systems.

The US policy on second strike would fall under MAD, leading to a very asymmetrical strike into iran, leaving a destroyed nation.

Iran will probably end up with a weapon and an arms race. The US and Russia will make plenty of money arming both sides.

[Deja Q]

13. *Ding* *Ding* *Ding* We have a winner.

Iran will probably end up with a weapon and an arms race. The US and Russia will make plenty of money arming both sides.

Russia's been selling to them for years.

And if the US wants to globally dominate via commercial imperialism, to offshore our own infrastructure to countries sitting next door to these known-antagonistic countries wouldn't be very bright. Not until AFTER those countries were dealt with. Oops. (Of course, we've been offshoring our manufacturing base TO our enemies as well... Oops x2. China owns us, but if we say we cannot pay, will they respond in kind?)

[CJCRANE]

27. A map is a piece of paper.

The Iranians wouldn't pre-emptive nuke Israel because they believe it's Palestinian land (the Palestinians would have nowhere left to go back to).

[John Q. Citizen]

11. Other: None

[One_Life_To_Give]

12. Conventionally attack to secure the Caliphate

The nukes (threat of use) are to keep them from getting their arses handed to them when they do.

[CJCRANE]

23. Um, the Caliphate is al-Qaeda's idea not Iran nt

[One_Life_To_Give]

31. One world Caliphate is Fundamentalist Goal

The goal is not exclusive to any one group. There are several competing groups who want to reestablish and/or expand on the old Caliphate.

[CJCRANE]

36. It's not state policy of any muslim country

AFAIK and I've never heard this idea connected to the Iranian leadership (they're Persian Shi'ites and al-Qaeda are Sunni Arabs mainly).

[MakeItSo]

29. THERE IS NO REASON TO TRUST the intelligence on Iran!!

1. Iran has not EVEN PRODUCED ENRICHED URANIUM, let alone have NUKES. It is utterly REPREHENSIBLE that this pro-fascist DISINFORMATION is being spread on Democratic Underground, of all places!

2. Iran says it wants to produce enriched uranium to generate nuclear power. Nuclear power plants are COMMON throughout the world. Bulgaria has nuclear power. Brazil has nuclear power. So do Armenia, Argentina, Mexico, Brazil, Pakistan, and many other counties.

3. The description of this as an URGENT CRISIS is MANUFACTURED and ARTIFICAL. The same people that brought you all the bullshit intelligence that got us into Iraq are DOING THE SAME THING ALL OVER AGAIN. Even if Iran were to begin developing nuclear weapons, it would take them an estimated 5 years to produce one! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4217824.stm

4. THE UNITED STATES IS NOT IN ANY DANGER AT ALL. Even if, in 5 years, Iran were to develop a nuclear weapon, the United States would STILL BE IN NO DIRECT DANGER. Iran would need to be able to deliver the weapon to the United States with a ballistic missile with intercontinental range, WHICH THEY DON'T HAVE.


5. ISRAEL IS FULLY CAPABLE of defending herself against Iran. Israel is said to have as many as 200 nuclear warheads, and its war machine is the most powerful in the Middle East thanks in large part to the $5 billion the US gives to Israel annually.


6. North Korea, a country that IS our STATED ENEMY, that has already THREATENED to destroy the US, now has up to 20 nuclear warheads. They also have ballistic missiles with ranges capable of HITTING THE UNITED STATES. Why is this not mentioned in the newspaper or by our "leaders?" Because their motives for wanting to hit Iran have NOTHING TO DO WITH NATIONAL SECURITY.


This is one of the most dangerous periods in our lifetimes. The United States is on another march to non-provoked invasion of a sovereign nation, with the use of tactical nuclear weapons being raised by the Pentagon as a realistic possibility. Based on the record, the people who are in charge of distributing the intelligence that is used as a pretext to war ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED. They LIED to us on Iraq, yet NO ONE HAS BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE, NO ONE HAS BEEN FIRED.

We CANNOT LET THE U.S. ATTACK IRAN.

[watrwefitinfor]

34. - MakeItSo -

This post deserves its own thread. ASAP.

These DUers buying into this crap about Iran attacking, be so afraid of Iran - were they saying the same things in the run-up to Iraq? Just curious.

Wat

[MakeItSo]

40. Good idea, I posted it in its own thread

I saw "Why We Fight" last night and I realize that I need to do this. Stop this war. More than anything I've ever done in my life.

[One_Life_To_Give]

37. There is no reason to trust the current Iranian government either

Just because they are in *'s crosshairs, doesn't mean they are nice people.

[MakeItSo]

42. Lots of nasty people everywhere, that's alway been the case!

It DOESN'T mean that we are in DANGER, or that we should resort to VIOLENCE AGAIN to solve our problems! You need to see "Why We Fight." The War Machine in this country not only calls the shots, it manufactures the information. DO YOU THINK THE IRAQ WAR IS A NET GAIN FOR OUR SECURITY?

[One_Life_To_Give]

43. Didn't say we should attack

Said the Iranian government is currently lead by Fundamentalists whom should not be trusted.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

15. How about a category entitled "Nobody, because they're not.....

...as evil, fanatical, and stupid as the NeoCons want us to think".

How come Pakistan has not used their nukes against their neighbors? Aren't they just as "evil, fanatical, and stupid" as Iran?

Why hasn't Israel used their nukes? How about Russia as the old Soviet Union? How about China? What about North Korea? Aren't those countries also considered to be "evil, fanatical, and stupid" by large portions of the world?

[Deja Q]

20. Russia has been selling weapons to Iran for years too. Why haven't they

been going at it with Israel? Waste of effort? Prefer defense because they know wanton aggressors are generally frowned on?

I dunno. I'm not there getting a firsthand account. Everything in politics is inference and hyperbole because we are making assumptions FROM news media sources, and there is such a thing called "the double-bluff".

On the other hand, Iran has boasted it wants Israel off the map. When's the last time you heard Chinese, Russian, and N. Korean leaders screaming "We want _____ blown off the face of the map?" Never. Now maybe it is all feather-wagging, but it's just as possible Iran is dead serious about its threat. Would YOU take such a risk?

A fair question; let's say you're the dude in power. You see an enemy leader say a obnoxious and frightening comment about a country he hates. Other countries openly agree that this leader is definitely someone who ought to be restrained. Do you sit back and do nothing and hope he's only acting like a macho wannabe?

The fact most of Europe agrees that Iran is a genuine threat is something we should all be considering into the equation too. Even if Iraq was a lie and there's enough that suggests it is.

But, again, this is all hyperbole. And I've been wrong about plenty of things; chess was never my strong point. OTOH, when it comes to politics, it's more like poker, really... strip poker because the loser is invariably embarrassed off his ass.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

26. This is the same propaganda lead-up the NeoCons used to gain...

...support for the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq. Are you really falling for that crap?

[oneighty]

17. I wish I could see into the future

I would be rich. Yes I would.

Whole lot of 'what ifs' flying about.

180

[Deja Q]

21. Exactly. I think your response is the best yet.

:thumbsup:

(I'm also admitting, again, that it is all inference and hyperbole on my part. But I love thinking about and saying subjective things because, let's face it, I've got the dating skills of a paranoid skunk...)

[oneighty]

25. But you went partying last night

Checked outta du in the 0400 hour I think you said. No?

Israel does not admit to having Nukes. Therefore they do not?

Can-o-worms over there, cannot believe a word anybody says.

Speculation is useless.

180

[neweurope]

18. NOBODY. And they are NOT close to nukes.

This is beginning to grow into a world-wide hysteria.

---------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush tol The Hague!

[watrwefitinfor]

28. And the hysteria seems to have reached DU.

What is the purpose of this poll? It doesn't offer logical choices.

Far more likely than anything posited is the potential for Bushco to go off on Iran, either personally or by proxy (read: Israel). Why isn't that offered as a choice?

Wat

[The2ndWheel]

22. Deleted

Oops. I read that as "who would attack Iran".

[tuckessee]

30. Who framed the question? PNAC?

A better question would be - "Before Iran gets nukes, who is likely to attack them?

A. USA
B. Israel
C. USA & Israel together.

[MakeItSo]

33. This THREAD SHOULD BE DELETED: THE POLL is not based on REALITY!!

IRAN HAS NO enriched uranium, let alone NUKES!!! Iran is an estimated 5 YEARS AWAY from even creating a nuclear weapon!! Even if Iran CREATES a nuclear weapon, Iran does not have missiles with enough RANGE to attack the United States!!!

GODDAMN IT we are in FUCKING ALICE AND WONDERLAND!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!

[Individualist]

35. That looks like a Rove authored poll

[Lex]

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