The "detainment camps" are for anyone who the Bush Administration wants to

[shance]

place in them. Why in the world would any American believe what the Administration is telling us after we have been lied to since the onset of this Administration?

We must refuse and fight ANY creation by this Administration which is another obvious and dangerous move towards harming and incarcerating those who are trying to salvage our Democracy.

There is no reason for Detention camps other than to fully gain unwarranted control over all American citizens.

[revree]

1. It's amazing how...

this news is so ignored by people. It is the most sinister development I can think of, yet who is talking about it except us here on DU and other sites for people who have brains...scary that this can be going on and so few people raise so much as an eyebrow...

[meganmonkey]

35. Actually, this news used to get deleted whenever it got posted here

Believe me, people have been trying to talk about it for quite some time. Now that some contracts have been made public I guess it is considered legitimate.

[GreenPartyVoter]

40. I can hardly believe they even let word out about building them

[Media_Lies_Daily]

44. They want to intimidate the masses...part of controlling the population...

...this should also tell us how supremely arrogant the NeoCons really are. It should also tell us that they are growing increasingly more uneasy with the way things have been going lately.

[LiberalEsto]

2. Amen!

Where is the money for this coming from? And why isn't that money being used to rebuild New Orleans instead of this sleazy fascist plan?

[EFerrari]

3. Agree. We need to carefully plan an action

about this.

"Hello, Nancy? Could you please explain this funding to me?" "Hello, Barbara? What do you make of this program?"

And ON DOWN THE LINE.

These felons are handing KBR $385 MILLION bucks WHILE THE GULF COAST SITS THERE IN RUINS.

WHAT THE F#CK IS THAT ABOUT?

GET MAD. PUT A PLAN TOGETHER AND PLEASE, LET'S MOVE!

[LiberalEsto]

5. Step 1

Call or e-mail your elected representatives and demand information about this.

Step 2 - Move-On should start a petition against this project.

Step 3 - Start polls about the detention centers

Step 4 - Get civil libertarians and progressive Democrats to speak out against this on every possible occasion.

Step 5 - Write LTTEs to your local papers.


More ideas?

[EFerrari]

6. Parallel step: we need to show up at our local Fed buildings

and peacefully demonstrate.

There is nothing so compelling as the obvious withdrawal of governability. Nothing. This puts people in harm's way. But, we will not be able to stop this from behind a hedge.

[EFerrari]

4. Rate this thread up before Elad pulls the plug.

:silly:

[pinniped]

7. On the gun-nut boards they're only afraid of the big, bad, scary UN....

detention camps allegedly on US soil.

Some gun-nut posted GPS coordinates to the alleged UN camp before. This was a few years ago. I have the coordinates on one of my backup CDs. I'll post it if I find it.

[bonito]

10. Right

That was, is, part of the anti Kerry propaganda, taking away everyones guns, than taking care of business for population control, with the UN ready, and in place to exercise it.
To me, more shadow control, you know, fear.

[gordianot]

13. Fear works, the gun nut boards have recently almost been taken over

by Democrats no less. The gun nuts have recently turned on Bush they almost sound like liberals. The person I know who visits these boards says that the hard core (has become a minority on some boards) still favors Republicans even though they hate Bush.

[pinniped]

28. I did notice some were turning against their monarch,....

but since that puke Alioto got annointed, they are jumping up and down again.

The mentality of the hardcore * fanatic is incredibly idiotic. Whatever their monarch says or does is fine with them. Hell, if he told them to toss their guns over a bridge they would do it.

[gordianot]

33. Immigration and illegals has become their rallying cry.

They are much more worried about illegals than anything. There appears to have been some border clashes between local law enforcement and maybe rogue elements in Mexican military uniforms.

Who knows corporate media says very little?

[satya]

39. OT -- curious to know if the NOLA gun seizure was discussed on those

boards.

(sorry, it's NYT and requires reg now):

Police Begin Seizing Guns of Civilians
By ALEX BERENSON and JOHN M. BRODER

Published: September 9, 2005

<snip>

Mr. Compass, the police superintendent, said that after a week of near anarchy in the city, no civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry pistols, shotguns, or other firearms of any kind. "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," he said.

That order apparently does not apply to the hundreds of security guards whom businesses and some wealthy individuals have hired to protect their property. The guards, who are civilians working for private security firms like Blackwater, are openly carrying M-16s and other assault rifles.

Mr. Compass said that he was aware of the private guards but that the police had no plans to make them give up their weapons.

New Orleans has turned into an armed camp, patrolled by thousands of local, state, and federal law enforcement officers, as well as National Guard troops and active-duty soldiers. While armed looters roamed unchecked last week, the city is now calm.

<snip>

[gordianot]

41. Yes, this is not playing well on the gun boards.

Surprisingly little racial bias given the mentality of some who post. They are constantly complaining about gun confiscations in NOLA especially with civilians protecting their own property. The elderly African American lady who had her pistol confiscated created a lot of sympathy on these forums.

With the news blackout we do not hear much about the problems New Orleans. Carrying assault weapons in public is not a good idea. As stated in the old Johnny Cash song "don't take your guns to town". The armed looter phenomena is not that unusual just to New Orleans. Last winter ice storms created similar break downs in law enforcement, they are debated and reported at length (often first person) on the gun forums. Many of these people know each other, and include people who are not RW nut cases (a surprising number of almost liberals).

As for myself I cannot stomach the Right Wingers or most of the gun forums but know someone who frequents them often. I am not into vigilantism. This does not mean you cannot protect your own property if you are willing to accept the risk.

[ComerPerro]

25. Remember back in the '90s, when these people hated all forms

of government and were hell bent on destroying the US? At the very least, they wanted to revolt break off from the country.

Suddenly, they are flag-waving patriots...

[Rocknrule]

38. Gosh, I wonder why?

Because 9/11 changed everything? :sarcasm:

or maybe because of who is in office? No, couldn't be. :eyes:

[earth mom]

8. Denial is a powerful thing...

we must always confront our denial.

The camps do NOT pass the smell test.

[gordianot]

9. Building camps is one thing, filling them is another problem.

Filling detention camps is where the rubber meets the road.

[bonito]

11. LOL, you mean, your not going to lay down

So the rabid dog can eat you. I hear you.

[gordianot]

14. As much as I admire them.

I would never be able to write a book like Elie Wiesel or Ann Frank.

[RazzleDazzle]

19. That's plain scarey

The INTENT behind the building is the problem. That's what we need to eradicate. Once the camps are built, TOO LATE. Way too late.

In fact, in a very real sense it's been too late since the first stolen election wasn't overturned for cause. And, farther back than that, since the JFK assassination wasn't revealed and prosecuted in toto.

[gordianot]

20. We lost it long ago.

Putting people in camps will lower productivity and will eliminate military recruitment. American soldiers are not going to be in favor of making arrests. Even in Nazi Germany members of the SS balked.

About the only thing I have been guilty of is voting Democratic and expressing my opinion at DU. I have also volunteered to drive the elderly to polling stations. (Not one time did I ask who they would vote for).

Mass Concentration Camps will not work very well in this country, I doubt they are being built. They would be very hard to fill.

[flyarm]

23. please do a goggle search..there is plenty of documentation

of camps being built or conversion of closed military bases being prepped for said reasons..there is plenty of documentation and photos and all! and its not new it began shortly after * took office!! and i mean took!

also read about the general who was demoted last fall..and what he was fighting..it was for training of foreigners in our military and lowering the standards considerably ...

so * brings in south americans to arrest us..by making them domestic mercenaries

please wake up..

fly

[RazzleDazzle]

34. in fact, here's something I ran across just this morning

that may be helpful. I didn't check any of these out, just bookmarked it:

since there is already a network of existing camps . . .
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2089126

[gordianot]

42. Moving me out will not be easy.

I've been working on this for a long time.

:thumbsup:

[banana republican]

12. this is the same CRAP we were fed during VietNam.

there were concentration camps established then and they are now.. Same BS same Crap.

[bonito]

15. Right

There may be a need, far fetched, but in place for the stabilization of the nation, but what we have here is the neo (new) bully on the block, with a blow up dick, that thinks they can control all the strings, like we are all puppets, and we can't see there deviate behavior.
Blinded by greed, they realy can't see past the buck.

[CoffeeCat]

16. I really hate to be such a pessimist...

...but the American public has demonstrated that they will sanction anything this administration does.

I'm convinced, that if W wanted to invade Michigan--that 50 percent of the country would say, "Wellllll...he said it would make us safer from the terrurists, so I guess it's ok to invade Traverse City!"

Again, I hate to say it--but more than half of the nation said it was ok that the pResident was spying on Americans illegally. These same people will be just fine with detention camps. They will love them and probably believe that they are some patriotic symbol or an example of how Junior is helping to stimulate the economy with new construction projects.

Americans will not care about this. Also, the administration will spin the angle on these detention camps. They will be called, "terrorist spa villas." Anyone who comes out against these "terrorist spa villas" will be positioned as Bin Laden sympathizer who wants murderous killers with bioweapons running rampant in our streets.

[bonito]

17. Hakuna Matata. n/t

:pals:

[shance]

18. I think you may underestimate the power of media overload and propaganda

Americans are being overworked, underpaid, overstimulated by advertising and other life distractions, and are trying to keep up with the Jones because that is what we have been brainwashed to "be" and to "do" since we were children.

The overtaking of the media by right winged forces has been their most dedicated goal, because without that, the Neocons would not have been able to pull the huge lies and actions off on the American people.

When we are constantly bombarded with sex and sports, and sports and sex, instead of being confronted with the legitimate issues and realities that are destroying everyones quality of life and future. I think Americans are suspended in a state of distraction, fantasy, apathy, and attention deficit disorder.

Because the media outlets are being held hostage, many Americans are essentially locked in the headlights and numb.

I believe most of us inherently know something is wrong, but many 'cant put a finger on it', and/or they simplistically have found comfort in a narrow minded religious philosophy and/or in blaming and demonizing others like "Muslim terrorists" and "liberals" for all that is wrong in this nation. This is where media propaganda and distortions make the most dangerous impressions and create the most dishonest and toxic fears.

That is why it is up to us and all other Americans who have been able to differentiate the facts from the lies. We must do what we can to reach out to others and open dialog and discussion so others can begin to feel comfortable in questioning their government, their long-held beliefs about what is true and how they are being lied to again and again by those who have been given so much air time to confuse, diffuse, scapegoat and distract in the media.

That is my take.

[SammyWinstonJack]

30. So what's the difference between those who can differentiate the facts

from the lies and those who can't? :shrug: Really, I can't understand that. I watch the same TV and know when I am being lied too. The lies are obvious, as is the propaganda.

[leftstreet]

21. Politics of Fear and Terra

What "detainment camps" are you all talking about?

:shrug:

I see no link in this thread, but if it's about that story circulating around here a few days ago - a KBR contract with Homeland Security for like $380 million - uh, I don't think you could build anything massive or even impressive for that amount. $380 million isn't very much in terms of construction.

If KBR really was awarded the contract, it's probably more to do with Bushco and his Guest Worker Program.

[Occulus]

22. It really doesn't need to be a supermax-style facility, though.

Some razor wire, tall fences/walls, towers, and crude barracks (so nobody can say "they" are being "coddled"), et voila- Concentration Camps 'R Us.

[Arkansas Granny]

24. The elements you have described can easily be found at

closed military bases. Some of these bases have already been used for this purpose and could easily be used again with very little preparation. Fort Chaffee in Arkansas has housed Vietnamese immigrants, Cubans and, most recently, Katrina evacuees. I don't find these stories to be all that far-fetched.

Edited for typo.

[leftstreet]

37. But crony capitalism requires an official REASON for $$ handouts

They probably won't build jack shit.

It's just an excuse to give KBR some $$.

[EFerrari]

26. They really did get the contract and it was reported in

the corporate media. I wish I were better at fishing in LBN, but it was posted there. :(

Why would guest workers need a detention facility? The other language in the article (I wish I could find it) was something like "or other new programs".

You're right that we shouldn't let ourselves buckle to fear AND these contracts need to be challenged.

[latebloomer]

31. Here's the LBN link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2085433

and another thread- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x328869

[EFerrari]

32. Thank you! n/t

[leftstreet]

36. Bush wants to end illegal immigration "catch and release" policy

He and McClellan have said in several pressers that they want the ability to detain illegal immigrants.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060123/dcm069.html?.v=15
"They're here because they're trying to better their lives, and they're going to move into our society as best as they can. And they're not going to return back. So we're ending what's called "catch and release," and we're beginning to provide more detention space for our Border Patrol to be able to say to people -- particularly from Central America and South America -- you've come illegally, we're sending you back home."

[adigal]

27. I just wrote about this!!

I am really glad others are disturbed by this, too!

[leftchick]

29. no no, there are to "house people in a natural disaster"

That blew my mind! Putting people in detention camps during a natural disaster? OMG! :wow:

[gordianot]

43. I know a few who were in these camps after Katrina.

The person I spoke to had been in jail when she was young. She described the camps in Mississippi as more brutal than prison.

With global warming these scenes will become more common.