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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 09:44 AM
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Cindy Sheehan wasn't welcome -- but al Qaida supporter was?
While Cindy Sheehan was being dragged from the House gallery moments before President Bush delivered his State of the Union Address for wearing a T-shirt honoring her son and the other 2,244 U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, Turki al-Faisal was settling into his seat inside the gallery. Al-Faisal, a Saudi, is a man who has met Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants on at least five occasions, describing the al Qaida leader as "quite a pleasant man." He met multiple times with Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar. Yet, unlike Sheehan, al-Faisal was a welcomed guest of President Bush on Tuesday night. He is also a man that the families of more than 600 victims of the 9/11 attacks believe was connected to their loved ones' deaths.

Al-Faisal is actually Prince Turki al-Faisal, a leading member of the Saudi royal family and the kingdom's current ambassador to the United States. But the bulk of his career was spent at the helm of the feared Saudi intelligence services from 1977 to 2001. Last year, the New York Times pointed out that "he personally managed Riyadh's relations with Osama bin Laden and Mullah Muhammad Omar of the Taliban. Anyone else who had dealings with even a fraction of the notorious characters the prince has worked with over the years would never make it past a U.S. immigration counter, let alone to the most exclusive offices in Washington." Al-Faisal was also named in the $1 trillion lawsuit filed by hundreds of 9/11 victims' families, who accused him of funding bin Laden's network. Curiously, his tenure as head of Saudi intelligence came to an abrupt and unexpected end 10 days before the 9/11 attacks.

"Nobody explained the circumstances under which he left," says As'ad AbuKhalil, author of "The Battle for Saudi Arabia: Royalty, Fundamentalism, and Global Power." "We know for sure that he was tasked by the United States government back in the late 1970s and on to assemble the kind of Arab Muslim fanatical volunteers to help the United States and the CIA in the fight against the Soviet Communist regime . In the course of doing that, this man is single-handedly most responsible for the kind of menace that these fanatical groups now pose to world peace and security." Yet, there al-Faisal sat on Tuesday as President Bush spoke of his war on terror and Cindy Sheehan was being booked. At one point, the cameras even panned directly on al-Faisal listening intently to Bush.

The 9/11 families' lawsuit charged that al-Faisal secretly traveled to the southern Afghan city of Kandahar twice in 1998, where he met with bin Laden's representatives and Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar. Based on sworn testimony from Taliban intelligence chief, Mullah Kakshar, the lawsuit claimed that al-Faisal allegedly received assurances that al Qaida would not use "the infrastructure in Afghanistan to subvert the royal families' control of Saudi government." In return, according to the lawsuit, the Saudis promised not to seek bin Laden's extradition or the closing of his training bases. Al-Faisal also allegedly promised Mullah Omar financial assistance. Shortly after the meetings, the Saudis reportedly shipped the Taliban 400 new pickup trucks. According to the London Observer, Kakshar also said that al-Faisal "arranged for donations to be made directly to al-Qaida and bin Laden by a group of wealthy Saudi businessmen. 'Mullah Kakshar's sworn statement implicates Prince Turki as the facilitator of these money transfers in support of the Taliban, al Qaida and international terrorism,'" according to the lawsuit.

http://www.alternet.org/story/31787/
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kittynboi Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 10:00 AM
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1. They LOVE terrorists.
Make no mistake. The right wing leadership loves terrorists. If there were no terrorists, they would have to invent them just to have an excuse to scale back civil liberties and invade countries.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 10:33 AM
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5. Oh I agree
But don't you think it's a bit out there to invite one to the SOTU?
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 07:48 PM
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21. Just more "in your face"
After all, "whatcha gonna do about it"?
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 10:02 AM
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2. K & R
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Branjor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 10:17 AM
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3. K & R
n/t
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 10:28 AM
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4. K & R
It's a little tough for me to believe he is my nation's enemy when my nation's leaders keep inviting him for tea...

Who IS the enemy? Who ARE the evildoers?

More and more, I believe our country's enemies are the madmen running America. Every day I am amazed at their attacks on our way of life and their evil deeds against all of humanity.

Yet the mother of a dead soldier - her child cold in the ground for **'s oil buddies - is led away worse than a dog.

The stench from D.C. permeates my nostrils all the way down here in Tennessee.
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 10:35 AM
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7. Tell Your Republican "Friends" About This
You know, those annoying people you work with who just *love* Bush. Ask them what a known terrorism supporter was doing at the SOTU speech. We need to get this out to people. This is *very* important.

Tammy
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 11:05 AM
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9. Just today a co-worker said to me
"I almost called you last night. I was arguing with my husband and he is so in love with bush it makes me sick. I need some ammo to argue back."

So I just now sent her this article and told her to print it out for him. hee hee
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 10:34 AM
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6. Please excuse the mess
My head just exploded. :nuke:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 10:58 AM
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8. Yes indeed it is mind boggling
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 01:58 PM
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10. glitch in the matrix
agents are scrambling
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 02:03 PM
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11. Oh come on, everyone knows
that people who disagree with Bush are far more of a threat than terraists!
:sarcasm:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 08:14 PM
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22. And don't forget those evil Quakers.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 02:07 PM
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12. Sibel Edmonds explains: : What is al-Qaeda, connections to US politics
JH: Here's a question that you might be able to answer: What is al-Qaeda?

SE: "This is a very interesting and complex question. When you think of al-Qaeda, you are not thinking of al-Qaeda in terms of one particular country, or one particular organization. You are looking at this massive movement that stretches to tens and tens of countries. And it involves a lot of sub-organizations and sub-sub-organizations and branches and it's extremely complicated. So to just narrow it down and say al-Qaeda and the Saudis, or to say it's what they had at the camp in Afghanistan, is extremely misleading. And we don't hear the extent of the penetration that this organization and the sub-organizations have throughout the world, throughout their networks and throughout their various activities. It's extremely sophisticated. And then you involve a significant amount of money into this equation.

Then things start getting a lot of overlap-- money laundering, and drugs and terrorist activities and their support networks converging in several points.
That's what I'm trying to convey without being too specific. And this money travels. And you start trying to go to the root of it and it's getting into somebody's political campaign, and somebody's lobbying. And people don't want to be traced back to this money."
-- Sibel Edmonds
http://baltimorechronicle.com/050704SibelEdmonds.shtml

----

"once this issue gets to be investigated, you will be seeing certain people that we know from this country standing trial; and they will be prosecuted criminally," revealing the content of the FBI intercepts she heard indicates that recognizable, very high-profile American citizens are linked to the 911 attacks.

When asked how many Americans were named in the intercepts, Edmonds said "There is direct evidence involving no more than ten American names that I recognized," further revealing that "some are heads of government agencies or politicians--but I don’t want to go any further than that,"
-- Sibel Edmonds
http://www.fathers.ca/fbi_cover-up.htm
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 09:32 PM
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25. I really wish we could hear everything Sibel Edmonds has to say
We need a deluge of whistleblowers like her.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:22 AM
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33. Money Laundering? Politicians? Abrahmoff? Nah ...
that was 70% of the Republican Party. She would have recognized more names.
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:07 AM
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35. Can of worms
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 06:29 PM
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38. Great links - thanks!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 02:35 PM
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13. It's also believed that he hand picked Osama Bin Laden to
go to Afghanistan to fight with the mujahedeen against the Russians, and that he was given money and other resources from us to do so at the behest of al Faisal.

There is something very peculiar about the Bush family's relationship with the Saudis. I really now believe that they purposefully let Osama get away, and if he is alive, he is protected and safe in Saudi Arabia. I believe George Bush knows this, which is why he made that peculiar statement about not thinking much about him.

What I want to know is, if the USA is now a province of Saudi Arabia?
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 02:42 PM
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14. Well, if you consider
that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis, some of the finances for 9-11 came from Saudi Arabia and one of bin Laden's demands was to remove US troops from Saudi Arabia (which happened post 9-11)...

Makes you wonder...

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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 03:47 PM
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16. Have to disagree here. Osama hates his own family clan. . .
Edited on Mon Feb-06-06 03:48 PM by DinahMoeHum
for their getting into that incestuous relationship with the Saudi royal family and the Bushes. He sees himself as the only pure believer of Islam in his family; he looks at others in his family as infidels.

However, there are those in the royal family and the bin Laden clan who sympathize with OBL, so either they themselves or through other "more respectable" members of the family put the screws to Bush. Bush, being the wimpy candy-ass douchebag that he is, agrees.

In short, they, as well as OBL, play Bush for a ...well...a "bush".

:evilfrown:


"Never attribute to conspiracy that which can be adequately explained by stupidity" - Robert Heinlein


:evilfrown:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 04:02 PM
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17. There is his stepmother, who raised him, and whom it is
reported that he was very close to. Could it be possible that she persuaded members of the family to petition the royal Saudis to protect him? This OBL problem doesn't make sense until you factor in that the Saudis may be protecting him or aren't letting the knowledge of his death out to protect Bush's position as a war time President.

Also, I wonder if we aren't fighting the Saudis war in Iraq. They had no love of Saddam, you know.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 10:10 PM
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28. I saw an interview with one of obl's 1/2 brothers
The brother lives in Europe, is a buisnessman who does big buisness with the west. When asked if he would turn in Osama if he knew where he was, he said "no". He then went on to say that a family can quarell, but family is family.

I can't recall who did the interview, it was almost a year ago. It may have been 60 minutes.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 03:40 PM
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15. This needs to be in a tv ad from Moveon.org
Edited on Mon Feb-06-06 03:41 PM by cat_girl25
:kick:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 08:15 PM
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23. I'd like to put it on a billboard
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 05:32 PM
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18. GOP loves Al-Qaida more than Americans
No wonder bin Laden is still out there.
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kiteinthewind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 05:59 PM
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19. Way to go, Proud!
:hi:

:kick:
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nolies32fouettes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 07:38 PM
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20. YES!
how can they claim WE love terrorists? How can they claim WE are opening the US up for another attack when they invite them in and create breeding grounds in Iraq for them?
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 09:38 PM
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26. welcome!!!!
:) :) :):hi:
:hi:


:hi::hi:
:) :) :):hi::hi:
:hi:

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:46 PM
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37. Well, he promised not to do it again
Welcome to DU!

:toast:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 08:16 PM
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24. Hey Kite!
:hi:

Can you believe this crap?
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kiteinthewind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 12:09 AM
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30. Nothin' surprises me about these felons anymore!
:evilfrown:
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 09:58 PM
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27. Prince al-Faisal didn't ruin Bush's vacation last summer
I told you guys last week, and almost none of you listened: Cindy Sheehan was NOT dragged out of the gallery in irons for wearing a t-shirt. She was arrested as payback for ruining Dipshit's August vacation.

I'll make you folks a little wager. For this we need a Bush speechifying event that Congressmen can issue tickets for, and we need Cindy. I bet that we could dress Cindy up like a Republican billionaire's wife and seat her in the audience for the speech 30 minutes before the speech begins, and Shrub's goons would have her dragged out in irons within 20 minutes. If Cindy's there 21 minutes, I'll give $25 to George Bush's defense fund.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 11:40 PM
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29. Kicked, for Casey.
:thumbsup:
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 12:10 AM
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31. This article needs a great big KICK!
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 12:10 AM by brensgrrl

:kick:

especially since the Chimpanzee intends to label dems as "terrorist lovers," or "soft on terror"
during the next election cycle. Candidates need to BRING THIS UP as much as possible. The Chimp
and his associates need to be asked why they are coddling this terrorist supporter in their busom.
If they accuse us of being soft on terror, we need to retort with this one.

Keep on kicking!
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:15 AM
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32. Never forget 9-11-01 Bush's Greatest Failure.
And he welcomes you to more. You see, its terror that keeps him and his minions in power.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 07:41 AM
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34. "You're either with us or against us."
Actions speak louder than words, Mr. Bush.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:33 PM
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36. Isn't that in the bible?
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